lesbians need not apply

[Cindy F]

i understand. i guess i realize from some of his posts in the past that he is really looking for information and sharing his thoughts. i like the guy.

for everybody.

You are free to like whomever you wish. I can not like someone that trivializes an issue that I live with everyday.

If I thought for one second it would do any good whatsoever, I would post a "day in the life" to try and get people to understand what it is like, what it is REALLY like. But......it wouldn't do any good, it never has. You can not understand what you have not lived.

 

[Cindy F]

Again, your equating feeling empathy with that person's reality, and that can never be true. I will never know what it feels like to be black, or gay, and have intolerance throw walls up around me. I can feel for those that do, but it is not even remotely close to the reality of it, and to fool yourself into thinking it does only trivializes the issue.

Wow. I hadn't even read your post when I posted.

Thanks. It helps even when only one person gets it.

 

[Uncle Remus]

why is it laughable? when you start a job, do you walk in and announce your sexual preferences? THAT would be laughable.

the military is a place of work.

Work doesn't end at 5PM for the military.

Wait, that should be 1700hrs.

 

[rentayenta]

If you told someone you were heterosexual, could you be disbarred?

Stop. Making. Sense. When will you learn?

 

[wonderlanne]

So it's okay as long as homosexuals don't mention their homosexuality?



I thought we called that DADT?

not sure i understand your question. "so it's okay..." "it" being working in the military? i don't care where a person works, it is not appropriate to discuss sex at work. anybody who thinks that it is okay to discuss sex at work would encounter difficulties in ANY work place.

if a person is heterosexual or homosexual, i don't want to hear about their sexual practices at work. i just want to work with them as people, not heterosexual people or homosexual people....just people.

(is that what you meant?)

dadt: i thought it was a ridiculous concept for the reasons i've already noted, but apparently people think sex is not a private matter, so dadt became necessary.

 

[Holly]

why is it laughable? when you start a job, do you walk in and announce your sexual preferences? THAT would be laughable.

the military is a place of work.

And guess what?


When they aren't exercising their "sexual preferences", gays and lesbians are working too. It might be nice to spend all day and night on those endeavors of a sexual nature, but it's just not a reality for most heterosexual or homosexual couples.

One reason that they might want to mention that they have a partner of the same sex is if they wanted medical coverage.

They aren't saying, "Oh, I would like coverage for my sex partner", they are asking for coverage for the person they're sharing their lives with.

 

[Goofyluver]

Stop. Making. Sense. When will you learn?

Apparently...never.

Don't tell anyone.

 

[Uncle Remus]

not sure i understand your question. "so it's okay..." "it" being working in the military? i don't care where a person works, it is not appropriate to discuss sex at work. anybody who thinks that it is okay to discuss sex at work would encounter difficulties in ANY work place.

if a person is heterosexual or homosexual, i don't want to hear about their sexual practices at work. i just want to work with them as people, not heterosexual people or homosexual people....just people.

(is that what you meant?)

dadt: i thought it was a ridiculous concept for the reasons i've already noted, but apparently people think sex is not a private matter, so dadt became necessary.

That's just it, gays don't talk about SEX, it's the heterosexuals that talk about gay sex all the time.

 

[mkingdomlvr]

No, actually there are many heterosexual folks who recognize bigotry 'n discrimination AND some of them are Christian too.

Seriously, are you just incapable of not generalizing?
I'm sorry you truly can not understand my posts, I can't help you.

It appears that there are some heterosexual folks who are on your side of the issue. Are you going to kick them out because "they can't possibly understand"?

 

[Uncle Remus]

not sure i understand your question. "so it's okay..." "it" being working in the military? i don't care where a person works, it is not appropriate to discuss sex at work. anybody who thinks that it is okay to discuss sex at work would encounter difficulties in ANY work place.

if a person is heterosexual or homosexual, i don't want to hear about their sexual practices at work. i just want to work with them as people, not heterosexual people or homosexual people....just people.

(is that what you meant?)

dadt: i thought it was a ridiculous concept for the reasons i've already noted, but apparently people think sex is not a private matter, so dadt became necessary.

And that statement tells us that you are unaware of the origins of DADT.

Google it, be surprised.

 

[mkingdomlvr]

That's just it, gays don't talk about SEX, it's the heterosexuals that talk about gay sex all the time.

If they don't talk about it-then how would anyone even know they're gay to discriminate against them?

 

[Uncle Remus]

It appears that there are some heterosexual folks who are on your side of the issue. Are you going to kick them out because "they can't possibly understand"?

I get the feelin' gays are like the general population, they differ from each other too.

 

[Uncle Remus]

If they don't talk about it-then how would anyone even know they're gay to discriminate against them?

Medical insurance requests, family leave, children, etc.

 

[Goofyluver]

not sure i understand your question. "so it's okay..." "it" being working in the military? i don't care where a person works, it is not appropriate to discuss sex at work. anybody who thinks that it is okay to discuss sex at work would encounter difficulties in ANY work place.

if a person is heterosexual or homosexual, i don't want to hear about their sexual practices at work. i just want to work with them as people, not heterosexual people or homosexual people....just people.

(is that what you meant?)

dadt: i thought it was a ridiculous concept for the reasons i've already noted, but apparently people think sex is not a private matter, so dadt became necessary.

If you reveal your heterosexuality in your workplace, would that be grounds for discharge? You DO understand that your views on DADT are limited?

And why the hell is this all about sex? Do you think gays have nothin' better to do but spread their wild sex lives around? Makes the argument more interesting for the heteros!

 

[wonderlanne]

Shouldn't we be criticizing the problems with the system rather than blaming the homosexuals because they should just keep it to themselves?

nobody, regardless of their orientation/preference should be discussing sex in the work place. the concept targets everybody.

Most people don't make their "sex practices" a matter of public discussion. A homosexual relationship isn't all about sex acts, however, that seems to be the first thing that pops into the brains of people who oppose equal rights for homosexuals.

because that is what makes a person homosexual. it is that which parades are about and political initiatives in the constitution are about. i'd like to see the focus move away from the sexual orientation and on the other aspects of people as people.

 

[Master Mason]

Hey, that must fall into that debate more, learn more theory of yours, huh?

What I find laughable is you just assume I am some sort of descriminitory gay bashing redneck type. My thoughts on most subjects have come from a life time of debating and learning. You just assumed that I was ok with DADT, you never bothered to ask did you? I thought it was a terrible rule when Clinton implemented it, and not because it was less discriminatory than the previous rules, but because it didn't go far enough.

The difference between my arguements and yours is I don't look down my nose at people I disagree with and am able to respect the fact that others don't agree with my personal belief structure. It's called acceptance.

 

[Uncle Remus]

What I find laughable is you just assume I am some sort of descriminitory gay bashing redneck type. My thoughts on most subjects have come from a life time of debating and learning. You just assumed that I was ok with DADT, you never bothered to ask did you? I thought it was a terrible rule when Clinton implemented it, and not because it was less discriminatory than the previous rules, but because it didn't go far enough.

The difference between my arguements and yours is I don't look down my nose at people I disagree with and am able to respect the fact that others don't agree with my personal belief structure. It's called acceptance.

Hey Master, I find it laughable you assume anything about me too.

Don't take this stuff so personal, man, it's a message board.

I certainly don't mean you any harm and I apologize if I've hurt your ego, but this ain't about you, it's about an equal rights movement.

 

[mkingdomlvr]

Medical insurance requests, family leave, children, etc.

If a gay person has a medical and legal POA, would they not be allowed to take family leave for that person?

As for the benefit thing-perhaps the new administration's universal health care will address that issue.

 

[Cindy F]

It appears that there are some heterosexual folks who are on your side of the issue. Are you going to kick them out because "they can't possibly understand"?

Maybe if I try Goofy's tactic and repeat it, it will work.

Seriously, are you just incapable of not generalizing?
I'm sorry you truly can not understand my posts, I can't help you.

 

[wonderlanne]

It is odd that heterosexuals assume homosexuals are all about the "sex," they reduce gays to just sex instead of realizing that gays have all the same situations, problems, concerns of heterosexuals and then on top of it, they're gay.


Ah, the luxury 'n privilege of heterosexuality, must be nice.

hey...i didn't say that. i said discussing sexual practices is not appropriate for the work place. i live in the san francisco bay area...it is virtually impossible to avoid the "sex" part of homoxesuality here...as much as i'd prefer to not hear about it or see it constantly...it's impossible. do i prefer to know my homosexual friends as people? you bet.