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[DisneyWalker44]

Two underage students enter into a sexual relationship at a Christian/Jewish/Islamic school which has a code of conduct that prohibits immoral behavior. Said Christian/Jewish/Islamic school teaches that sex outside of marriage is immoral. When confronted, students affirm that a sexual relationship exists, and students are expelled for violating the code of conduct.

Right or wrong?

If the school expels every student - straight or gay - for engaging in immoral behavior, I'm fine with it. But, then again, they'd have to expel every student, wouldn't they?

If the school expels all the gay students who violate the code, but lets straight students who violate the code stay, that's anti-gay bigotry. Which is wrong. Trying to use religion to justify anti-gay bigotry is even worse.

 

[Bluestars]

Many very religious people believe that sex between two men or two women is morally wrong. They have a right to believe that. However, when their beliefs are forced on someone else, that's where they are overstepping their conduct.

The church school has a right to have a set of values, a code of conduct, and moral beliefs that they choose. Nobody is forcing other people to enroll in this school or adopt those beliefs. If you don't agree with it, don't enroll.

I will have to add that it is a shame that this school expelled those girls. If I were one of them, I wouldn't want to go there anyway. I don't think any liberal person would be happy in a rigid, religious school.

 

[Anewman]

If the school expels every student - straight or gay - for engaging in immoral behavior, I'm fine with it. But, then again, they'd have to expel every student, wouldn't they?

Sorry but I cant grasp this logic.


I got a speeding ticket the other day, should i fight it on the grounds that they do not cite every single speeder on the freeway?

 

[Uncle Remus]

Many very religious people believe that sex between two men or two women is morally wrong. They have a right to believe that. However, when their beliefs are forced on someone else, that's where they are overstepping their conduct.

The church school has a right to have a set of values, a code of conduct, and moral beliefs that they choose. Nobody is forcing other people to enroll in this school or adopt those beliefs. If you don't agree with it, don't enroll.

I will have to add that it is a shame that this school expelled those girls. If I were one of them, I wouldn't want to go there anyway. I don't think any liberal person would be happy in a rigid, religious school.

Amen.

 

[mkingdomlvr]

If the school expels every student - straight or gay - for engaging in immoral behavior, I'm fine with it. But, then again, they'd have to expel every student, wouldn't they?

If the school expels all the gay students who violate the code, but lets straight students who violate the code stay, that's anti-gay bigotry. Which is wrong. Trying to use religion to justify anti-gay bigotry is even worse.

Every student is engaging in sexual activity? Every single one? I'll admit, I've been out of teaching for a few years, but I had no idea that every single student in such a conservative Christian school would be sexually active.

 

[Master Mason]

Discrimination is always wrong, Master.

If this was a multiple choice test, there would be one answer:

A. Discrimination based upon one's sexuality is wrong.

Hint: Circle A

So, if the the Grand Knight of the Klan was to knock at your door would you invite him in for coffee, or would you discriminate against him and send him on his way?

See that's the problem with blanket statements.

ETA: Now that I think about it they call themselves Grand Wizard I think.

 

[Goofyluver]

Every student is engaging in sexual activity? Every single one? I'll admit, I've been out of teaching for a few years, but I had no idea that every single student in such a conservative Christian school would be sexually active.

Christianity doesn't prevent sinnin'.

 

[DisneyWalker44]

I got a speeding ticket the other day, should i fight it on the grounds that they do not cite every single speeder on the freeway?

No, but if they just gave speeding tickets to the gay speeders, and let the straight speeders off, that would be discrimination, wouldn't it?

 

[mkingdomlvr]

Many very religious people believe that sex between two men or two women is morally wrong. They have a right to believe that. However, when their beliefs are forced on someone else, that's where they are overstepping their conduct.

The church school has a right to have a set of values, a code of conduct, and moral beliefs that they choose. Nobody is forcing other people to enroll in this school or adopt those beliefs. If you don't agree with it, don't enroll.

I will have to add that it is a shame that this school expelled those girls. If I were one of them, I wouldn't want to go there anyway. I don't think any liberal person would be happy in a rigid, religious school.

I agree. This is a private school, with a code of conduct that is shared with students and parents. I believe I read in the case that there is some kind of contract to be signed regarding it. If the idea of a school having a morals code does not appeal to you, then don't enroll your child there, don't donate your hard earned money there and ignore them.

 

[Anewman]

No, but if they just gave speeding tickets to the gay speeders, and let the straight speeders off, that would be discrimination, wouldn't it?

They give tickets to those they catch in the act, period.


Unless you know for a fact that this school has never expelled a straight kid for breaking that code of conduct.

 

[mkingdomlvr]

Christianity doesn't prevent sinnin'.

Of course not-but I really have a tough time believing that every single student is engaging in what that school would consider immoral behavior. It's a sweeping generalization that I just can't go along with.

We always had our share of HS students that were pushing the envelope, but most only pushed until they got that warning and that was it. There were a few that were expelled, but I really believe that was the outcome they wanted anyway.

 

[Goofyluver]

So, if the the Grand Knight of the Klan was to knock at your door would you invite him in for coffee, or would you discriminate against him and send him on his way?

See that's the problem with blanket statements.

ETA: Now that I think about it they call themselves Grand Wizard I think.

Don't hurt yourself with your leapin' all over the place with those analogies now, Master.

When will you understand?

We must never be tolerant of intolerance.

Call me a hypocrite. I'll slap that label on myself with pride. But, don't tell me I have to be accepting of others' hate, bigotry, and prejudice.

Life isn't a world of only definitions, Gregg. You may see it that way...but it's not. Your dictionary is your friend when you're writing a term paper. In this case, it doesn't mean a lot.

 

[DisneyWalker44]

Every student is engaging in sexual activity? Every single one?

I'm curious, why did you take my quote about "immoral behavior" and reword it as "engaging in sexual activity"? Is that the only immoral behavior?

The Bible teaches us that all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. When Jesus challenged the scribes and the Pharisees, every single one knew that they weren't without sin and left rather than cast stones at the woman.

The straight kids in the school are sinners. They have all been immoral. If nothing else - and I can't say this for sure, but I suspect it's true - they have looked at a classmate and lusted. Which Jesus equates to actually having sex. Was Jesus wrong?

 

[Master Mason]

You may define critical thought as you wish, I'm sure your definition is wrong.

I'll go with the defintion provided here http://www.criticalthinking.org/aboutCT/define_critical_thinking.cfm

And see nothing that makes me wrong in anyway.

 

[DisneyWalker44]

Unless you know for a fact that this school has never expelled a straight kid for breaking that code of conduct.

What I know is that they expel every gay student for breaking the code, but they don't expel every straight student who breaks the code.

Are you telling me that isn't wrong?

 

[Uncle Remus]

I'll go with the defintion provided here http://www.criticalthinking.org/aboutCT/define_critical_thinking.cfm

And see nothing that makes me wrong in anyway.

Let me know when ya get a li'l experience to go with that.

 

[mkingdomlvr]

I'm curious, why did you take my quote about "immoral behavior" and reword it as "engaging in sexual activity"? Is that the only immoral behavior?

The Bible teaches us that all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. When Jesus challenged the scribes and the Pharisees, every single one knew that they weren't without sin and left rather than cast stones at the woman.

The straight kids in the school are sinners. They have all been immoral. If nothing else - and I can't say this for sure, but I suspect it's true - they have looked at a classmate and lusted. Which Jesus equates to actually having sex. Was Jesus wrong?

I used sexual activity because that was the reason that these girls were expelled.

And we do not know if other students were expelled for other immoral reasons. Way back in the thread I told people about a reason we expelled a student at our school that had nothing to do with sex but was still against our code of conduct. There may have been students expelled for using foul language, stealing, drug use or any number of things-we simply don't know.

Lusting in the heart is not sexual activity-it is still sinful, but it is not something that would cause public scandal. If Jane is lusting after Tom (or Mary if you wish) in her heart, the other students cannot see that and assume that the behavior is acceptable. It is up to Jane to recognize that sin and what it could lead to and take steps to correct it.

 

[Anewman]

What I know is that they expel every gay student for breaking the code, but they don't expel every straight student who breaks the code.

Are you telling me that isn't wrong?

You know for a fact that every "gay" student has been expelled??

OK YOU WIN.



But in the real world I can point you to many HETERO students, athletes and professionals that have been punished for breaking codes of conduct that was discovered, all the way from high school to Miss America/Nevada.

 

[Master Mason]

Don't hurt yourself with your leapin' all over the place with those analogies now, Master.

When will you understand?

We must never be tolerant of intolerance.

Call me a hypocrite. I'll slap that label on myself with pride. But, don't tell me I have to be accepting of others' hate, bigotry, and prejudice.

Life isn't a world of only definitions, Gregg. You may see it that way...but it's not. Your dictionary is your friend when you're writing a term paper. In this case, it doesn't mean a lot.

Words mean things, you don't get to pick and choose what they mean or when you wish to apply those meanings. It's part of the Critical thinking thing that Remus said I didn't posses, because I don't follow him lock step in his thinking. You stated emphatically that ALL DECRIMINATION IS WRONG. But then you turn around and discriminate. So apparently it isn't all wrong, it's just wrong you you dont' argree with the discrimination that is occuring.

And as I have said before you don't have to tolerate anything you don't want to, just as everyone else has the same right.

 

[mkingdomlvr]

What I know is that they expel every gay student for breaking the code, but they don't expel every straight student who breaks the code.

Are you telling me that isn't wrong?

How do you know this? Is there some document out there that told you the sins all the students committed in that school and who was and wasn't expelled?