LEICA camera, Herrington catalog

it sounded good till i got to the price:lmao:
 
Leica's rangefinders are far better than their SLRs. they've relied on panasonic to help them with electronic technology. their M8 is a fantastic camera, but it is not for everyone.

as far as DSLRs go, their digilux 3 isn't bad (image quality wise). but overall you're going to severely limit yourself compared to traditional DSLR vendors due to lack of features, accessories, 3rd party support, etc.
 
The best lens doesn't make all that much of a difference when you're cramming 10mp into a 1/2.5" or 1/1.8" sensor... which is what I assume that it has, being basically a standard long-zoom PnS like the S3, H5, etc. "Through-the-lens viewfinder", the copy claims... well, not really. I don't think an EVF really can be counted like that.

It does look nice, but Leica's obviously not interested in competing with the "consumer" crowd very much at that price...
 

I would *love* to have a M8, rangefinder style cameras just feel so nice. But at the price of 7 Rebels, it isn't going to happen.
 
Groucho said:
The best lens doesn't make all that much of a difference when you're cramming 10mp into a 1/2.5" or 1/1.8" sensor...
I was counting on you to bring up the sensor issue. I was wondering the same thing myself.


jann1033 said:
it sounded good till i got to the price
You are so right! Seems as if it has most of the same features as the S3 but at more than twice the price.

I'd be curious to know if anyone has one and would like to see some pictures taken with it.
 
I was counting on you to bring up the sensor issue. I was wondering the same thing myself.
:) Hey, it's all about the sensor. I'd love to see some enterprising company put a significantly larger sensor in a PnS camera. There's no reason why PnS cameras NEED to have outrageously noisy images.

A quick internet search found a press release and specs listing at DPReview - it's got a 1/1.8" sensor. Yet, it offers ISO 3200. :scared1: !!!

It does have "true" zoom and focus rings, though, which is a huge plus in my book. Though the focus is, of course, "by wire", but still, that's much better than pressing buttons on the back of the camera.

I love some of the scenes modes. "Meal dishes", "Baby 1", "Baby 2" (no Baby 3? what if you have more than two kids? :confused3 ), "Starry sky", and my favorite, "Lovely skin". And ooh! It comes with a Cordura case!

The M8 is a very classy-looking piece of equipment, though. Surely some Leica engineers can't be happy that their name is going on what is, ultimately, a basic PnS camera.
 
:) The M8 is a very classy-looking piece of equipment, though. Surely some Leica engineers can't be happy that their name is going on what is, ultimately, a basic PnS camera.

which is a basic p&s - the v-lux, or the M8? rangefinders are very much like p&s, but they have huge advantages. the v-lux is just a piece-o-crud not worth of a Leica red dot.

boB - the only alternative to the M8 is the Epson r-d1, at least until Zeiss, Cosina Voigtlander (with some other vendor), Canon, or someone else release one.
 
Anyone have or know anything about this camera?

http://herrington-catalog.stores.yahoo.net/p132.html

Just wondering. Herrington carries some interesting - and generally reliable - products.

I just want to say I know NOTHING of cameras or photography for that matter but what caught my eye was the word "LEICA"!

I own an engineering/land surveying business and we have LEICA Robotic Total Stations. The quality of the LEICA name is (I believe) what warrants the price. You will not be disappointed by the LEICA name and the quality of its products and its warranties! :lmao:

My .02cents!!! :goodvibes
 
the Panasonic branded version of the v-lux - the FZ50 is about $200 cheaper at BH Photo. but i still wouldnt get one. have a look at images from it on Flickr or PBase...
 
My first serious camera was a rangefinder, an Olympus 35SP. Rangefinder cameras are (or should be) small, quiet, and fast to use.

While the Leica M8 is a really nice camera it is ridiculously out of my price range and the lenses make it even more so. There is no reason a similar camera could not be made at a consumer price, except for maybe the very limited market. Many years ago Canon and others made rangefinder cameras similar to Leica but at greatly reduced prices.

What I want is really no more than a P&S with a large sensor, manual zoom, and easy-to-set controls. Modifying a dSLR to remove the mirror/pentaprism and adding a decent viewfinder would be *all* this would take, the price could be less than the dSLR if the volume were there.

This camera would be smaller and lighter than the equivalent SLR, but handle as well or better. Of course, the manufacturers would not be able to sell 18-200 lenses for this camera... ;)
 
which is a basic p&s - the v-lux, or the M8? rangefinders are very much like p&s, but they have huge advantages. the v-lux is just a piece-o-crud not worth of a Leica red dot.
I did, of course, mean the V-Lux. :)

I've actually never used a rangefinder... though from what I know of them, I'd probably enjoy one.
 
mate! if you enjoyed taking your b&w film pics, just wait til you've done so with a rangefinder. you can pickup a zorki on ebay dirt cheap. or scour your local used camera shops and pawnshops - you may find a canon or even a leica marked far below what it's worth (and can resell on ebay if you don't like it).
 
Well, right now I'm in spending lockdown so I'm not even considering anything, no matter how minor... but I will keep an eye out. I did some reading in some older (~30 year old) photography books recently and they do sound right up my alley.

I did, a few days ago, come across some of my old contact sheets of b/w film I developed when I was taking a photography class some 13 years ago or so... brought back some memories!
 
So it took me a little while to decipher what you guys were talking about. I think I understand now. I wasn't familiar with Leica cameras at all, or rangefinder cameras either for that matter. But as usual, I'm always learning something here.

Wow, I see what you mean about the price of the M8. :faint: And here I was thinking the V-Lux was high.

Am I right to think that if the V-Lux had a better sensor it might be a decent camera? Or is it that, besides that, you think the price is too high for what is basically a P&S camera (which in fact seems pretty similar to the S3)?

Are we saying that the Panasonic FZ50 is the essentially the same camera as the V-Lux? Thanks for letting me know where I could see some pics 0bli0.

( I saved some links in case anyone else wants to follow along. ;) )

http://www.amazon.com/Leica-10-3MP-Digital-Rangefinder-Viewfinder/dp/B000J6FTVK

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rangefinder_camera

http://www.photozone.de/3Technology/camtec2.htm

http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=FZ50
 
Am I right to think that if the V-Lux had a better sensor it might be a decent camera? Or is it that, besides that, you think the price is too high for what is basically a P&S camera (which in fact seems pretty similar to the S3)?
I think it's both. PnS cameras have been on a megapixel marketing rollercoaster and it's out of control. It's all about cramming in more mps, yet the sensors remain the same - or, if you're lucky, they go up to 1/1.8".

Look at it this way. Talking about the area the sensor (which is appropriate as that's how mp are measured)...
A Hasselblad H3D medium format digital SLR has an area of 1,728mm and comes in 22 or 39 megapixel. OK. That's about 79mm per megapixel for the 22mp, or about 44mm per mp for the 39mp.

A Canon 1DS Mk2 has a "full frame" 35mm sensor, 864mm in area, with 16.7 mp. That works out to about 52mm per mp.

Nearly all Pentax, Nikon, and Sony DSLRs use Sony APS-C sensors, about 369mm in area. In 10mp sensors, that gives you 36.9mm per mp and in 6mp sensors, 61.5mm per mp. Note that there was concern when the 10mp sensor came out about noise levels (which are pretty good though probably just slightly higher than the 6mp sensor.)

Now - point-n-shoots! The common sensors are 1/2.5" (24.7mm in area) and the larger 1/1.8" (38.2mm in area.) My wife's Canon SD600 is a 6mp camera with a 1/2.5" sensor - that means the camera has all of 4.1mm per megapixel! The top-line SD900 does have a 1/1.8" sensor - still, the addition mp means only 3.8mm per megapixel. The Leica V-Lux and the Panasonic FZ50 - exactly the same.

So, is it any wonder than a PnS camera can't compete with a DSLR, when you're talking 3.8mm per megapixel (and there are 10mp cameras with 1/2.5" sensors, too) when even the most cramped DSLR sensor gives nearly ten times the amount of area per megapixel?

Put it another way - to match the 61.5mm/mp level of my DSLR, my wife's SD600 would have to have ~0.4 megapixels! That's not even an 800x600 picture!

What does this all mean? It means that, IMHO, manufacturers should be cutting back on megapixels and pumping up the sensors. A small PnS with a big sensor and a reasonable 5-6mp resolution could be a really, really nice camera. Of course, the tiny sensor helps hide lens problems, too, so that works in their favor...

As for comparisons to the S3/H5, this is a level beyond, due to the "real" zoom and focus rings. It should be able to give a much more compelling impressions of a true SLR because of them. Of course, for the price, you might as well get a real DSLR!

DPReview's review of the Panasonic seems to be along the same lines: "This sums up the FZ50 perfectly; a fantastic camera with a less than stellar sensor / processor, and way too many pixels."
 
yes - Leica has basically looked to Panasonic for their digital cameras in a 'shared technology' development agreement. Generally the Panasonic version comes out first and then the Leica branded version comes out shortly after. yes the fz50 is the same as the v-lux 1. the biggest problem with this camera is the small size of the sensor. if you look at most of the pictures on PBase and Flickr, you see that they suffer from noise and relatively poor colour representation. you're then limited by the lack of lenses, other accessories, and other 3rd party support. personally i don't think the price is that high if it were a good camera. i think even the panasonic version is over priced and more than likely you would spend money on a better one in no time.
 
A small PnS with a big sensor and a reasonable 5-6mp resolution could be a really, really nice camera.

So is there currently no such camera out there? Does anything come close?
 
Groucho, I saw on another thread that you found yourself a rangefinder. Good work! :thumbsup2 I was hoping to find one myself this summer on the yard sale circuit. I never knew anything about them before, but now it seems I'm seeing them around a lot.
 
at PMA this year Sigma unveiled the final version of their new promised p&s, the dp1. it has a fixed focal length lens (28mm equiv) and a 14 mpix foveon sensor, which is the same size as the sensor in most consumer dslrs.

it's not quite a rangefinder as it has autofocus, but it looks like it would be a great street photography camera.
 















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