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[rajak73]

But nobody is talking about taking your guns.

 

[tex1989]

If you understand history, at the time, armys were controlled by kings, and that is how they stayed in power. Its like that knucklehead in North Korea, he controls the army so he stays in power. What they are trying to do is establish that the army belonged to the people and not the president. I would guess home security was never on their minds at the time. Regardless. the courts have established we can have rules in regards to safety. No one is trying to ban guns, that is floated out there to red meat the base.

I understand History quite well thank you! I have a Masters Degree in History. I know what the intent of the constitution was and I also know that the solution to our current problems should not be ban guns. You say it is floated as red meat to the base, but as I have said from the outset, I ain't the base. Not a member of the NRA, don't agree with them on many issues! I laid out several descriptors in my first post to be honest, and to avoid being painted with broad brushstrokes into one sterotype or another. But you have several times now ignored what I have written and thrown me into the gun nut category. I am merely trying to point out that the solution is multiple issues that need to pursued together to move towards resolution of the problem. Texas Governor Greg Abbott has proposed a new program and dedicated $120 million of state money to institute a wide range of programs to attempt to deal with the issue. He will be widely panned for his efforts but at least he is moving forward in an attempt to institute some real solutions.

 

[Gumbo4x4]

The amendment specifies that a militia is required. You can't get clearer than that.

There are numerous militias in the US (some more legit than others, obviously).

 

[longboard55]

I understand History quite well thank you! I have a Masters Degree in History. I know what the intent of the constitution was and I also know that the solution to our current problems should not be ban guns. You say it is floated as red meat to the base, but as I have said from the outset, I ain't the base. Not a member of the NRA, don't agree with them on many issues! I laid out several descriptors in my first post to be honest, and to avoid being painted with broad brushstrokes into one sterotype or another. But you have several times now ignored what I have written and thrown me into the gun nut category. I am merely trying to point out that the solution is multiple issues that need to pursued together to move towards resolution of the problem. Texas Governor Greg Abbott has proposed a new program and dedicated $120 million of state money to institute a wide range of programs to attempt to deal with the issue. He will be widely panned for his efforts but at least he is moving forward in an attempt to institute some real solutions.

what I keep pointing out is we are already doing a lot, its time for gun owners to join the party. We have already had enough lectures on whats a gun. And you never really responded to me, would a historical perspective point to the fact that the founding fathers did not want the military working for the president and the was the purpose of 2A. Why did they start off with militia. Individual rights are in the first amendment

 

[3 MEN AND A BOAT]

I understand History quite well thank you! I have a Masters Degree in History. I know what the intent of the constitution was and I also know that the solution to our current problems should not be ban guns. You say it is floated as red meat to the base, but as I have said from the outset, I ain't the base. Not a member of the NRA, don't agree with them on many issues! I laid out several descriptors in my first post to be honest, and to avoid being painted with broad brushstrokes into one sterotype or another. But you have several times now ignored what I have written and thrown me into the gun nut category. I am merely trying to point out that the solution is multiple issues that need to pursued together to move towards resolution of the problem. Texas Governor Greg Abbott has proposed a new program and dedicated $120 million of state money to institute a wide range of programs to attempt to deal with the issue. He will be widely panned for his efforts but at least he is moving forward in an attempt to institute some real solutions.

I openly admit I’m a member of the NRA, I don’t support them blindly. It’s just that they are the biggest organization fighting to protect my 2nd amendment rights.

 

[longboard55]

I openly admit I’m a member of the NRA, I don’t support them blindly. It’s just that they are the biggest organization fighting to protect my 2nd amendment rights.

Yes there are two groups congress will not touch. Guns and Pharma, gee guess who gives the most money.

 

[Hikergirl]

what I keep pointing out is we are already doing a lot, its time for gun owners to join the party. We have already had enough lectures on whats a gun. And you never really responded to me, would a historical perspective point to the fact that the founding fathers did not want the military working for the president and the was the purpose of 2A. Why did they start off with militia. Individual rights are in the first amendment

Who are the "we", anything that is being done is being done to the gun owners. We are the party, non gun owners are the uninvited guests. What laws and bans are you being asked to change?

 

[longboard55]

Who are the "we", anything that is being done is being done to the gun owners. We are the party, non gun owners are the uninvited guests. What laws and bans are you being asked to change?

The country has done a lot and spent a lot of money in response to the shootings of the last 20 years, the gun industry has done zerooooooo. How many times do I have to say this

 

[Hikergirl]

The country has done a lot and spent a lot of money in response to the shootings of the last 20 years, the gun industry has done zerooooooo. How many times do I have to say this

You said gun owners. We are the citizens who are effected be every single law and regulation put in to effect. Like I said, we don't need to "join the party", we are the party. If you think we are going to sit around and let non-gun owners pick away at our rights without a fight then you are wrong. We have no problem with reasonable laws, but IMO those who know nothing about guns, ignore all other things, and those who only want feel good measures aren't really capable of coming up with anything reasonable.

 

[longboard55]

Well someone must have a problem with reasonable laws because I have yet to see a single law passed. The problem when you push too hard at some point the dam breaks, good luck in November

 

[Domo]

(I'm saying this because you are the one to bring up your Queen).

Wait... didn't you say to keep "you people" - meaning the British - out? You're very confusing.

 

[tex1989]

Well someone must have a problem with reasonable laws because I have yet to see a single law passed. The problem when you push too hard at some point the dam breaks, good luck in November

So what laws should be passed? Give an example. The rhetoric I hear is "ban guns". Many of the laws people want passed are already on the books. Maybe you meant to say "enforce the laws we have". What money has been spent in the last 20 years? Give an example. I will admit that my state has announced they will spend $120 million to address the issues, but they are not going to implement more laws that do nothing. The money will go to training school employees who want to be trained in the use of firearms to thwart mass shooters, they will spent money for single points of entry with metal detectors, they will allocate more funds to mental health resources for teens and pre teens, they will provide more funding for school resource officers. The problem is people like yourself wants to see money spent banning guns, or more specifically certain types of guns. The reality is bad people intent on doing bad things will do bad things. Yes the gun can be the instrument, but so can a bomb, or a car, or a knife, or a chainsaw, the list goes on. So please if the issue can be fixed by spending money tell me what things you would spend it on.

 

[3 MEN AND A BOAT]

Well someone must have a problem with reasonable laws because I have yet to see a single law passed. The problem when you push too hard at some point the dam breaks, good luck in November

Honestly I think this is what happened several years ago, people pushed and called for taxes on ammo, outright bans, licensing, registration, etc. all the while labeling it “common sense”. I think gun owners started pushing back and now those calling for control are freaking out that gun owners aren’t willing to just except what their selling.

 

[Gumbo4x4]

The country has done a lot and spent a lot of money in response to the shootings of the last 20 years, the gun industry has done zerooooooo. How many times do I have to say this

Seems to me the gun industry has done plenty. Since gaining significant power and influence about 25 years ago, our homicide rate has - for the first time in history - declined (by half).

 

[Hikergirl]

Well someone must have a problem with reasonable laws because I have yet to see a single law passed. The problem when you push too hard at some point the dam breaks, good luck in November

If they were so reasonable they would have passed, but hey you keep on pushing.

 

[Gumbo4x4]

what I keep pointing out is we are already doing a lot, its time for gun owners to join the party. We have already had enough lectures on whats a gun. And you never really responded to me, would a historical perspective point to the fact that the founding fathers did not want the military working for the president and the was the purpose of 2A. Why did they start off with militia. Individual rights are in the first amendment

Individual rights are all over the Bill of Rights. And you do realize that your point about not wanting a standing army actually STRENGTHENS the pro-gun stance, right?

 

[Hikergirl]

Individual rights are all over the Bill of Rights. And you do realize that your point about not wanting a standing army actually STRENGTHENS the pro-gun stance, right?

I guess that poster missed class the day they went over the Bill Of Rights since protection of individual liberties is the reason they were written in the first place.

 

[Domo]

Eventually, enough will be enough will be enough. Something will change. What that change will be and when it happens is all up in the hour and varies from nation to nation. And there's nothing wrong with that.

 

[luvsJack]

So what laws should be passed? Give an example. The rhetoric I hear is "ban guns". Many of the laws people want passed are already on the books. Maybe you meant to say "enforce the laws we have". What money has been spent in the last 20 years? Give an example. I will admit that my state has announced they will spend $120 million to address the issues, but they are not going to implement more laws that do nothing. The money will go to training school employees who want to be trained in the use of firearms to thwart mass shooters, they will spent money for single points of entry with metal detectors, they will allocate more funds to mental health resources for teens and pre teens, they will provide more funding for school resource officers. The problem is people like yourself wants to see money spent banning guns, or more specifically certain types of guns. The reality is bad people intent on doing bad things will do bad things. Yes the gun can be the instrument, but so can a bomb, or a car, or a knife, or a chainsaw, the list goes on. So please if the issue can be fixed by spending money tell me what things you would spend it on.

You know every time Texas decides to take a stand and take action, I always wonder why the rest of the country doesn't just do what ya'll do. It always makes so much sense! I guess that's why you don't "Mess with Texas"!!

 

[Hikergirl]

Eventually, enough will be enough will be enough. Something will change. What that change will be and when it happens is all up in the hour and varies from nation to nation. And there's nothing wrong with that.

I think we can all agree that something needs to change, the problem is agreeing on what that something is as a whole nation.
Right now we are too polarized, one side wants X and won't tolerate any Y, the other side wants Y and won't tolerate any X. Maybe we should all be working together for Z.