Las Vegas Shooting

[wenrob]

Well - I was thinking this is the Governor's state, the President's country, Henderson probably provided mutual police aid, and the Mesquite Police is probably helping with the investigation.

But the Mayor of Las Vegas? She's got no authority where the shooting occurred and there doesn't seem to a relationship of the shooter to her city. She's got no authority over the county police department. To me it would be like the Mayor of Los Angeles getting up on a podium discussing a shooting that happened in Malibu.

Well listen, I’m not going to play semantics or Google fu with you. The people in Paradise (as well as Spring Valley, Lone Mountain etc.) consider themselves Las Vegans and if you send them a letter you’re going to have to address it to “Las Vegas, NV.” This tragedy happened in the Las Vegas Valley of which we all consider ourselves a part of. To suggest that the Mayor is responding for any other reason but that tragedy is absolutely tasteless. “The worst US Mass Shooting in History” 58 people dead, over 500 wounded and you want to debate on whether or not the mayor should respond to it.

 

[Gumbo4x4]

Yes, and guns are the problem not the solution. Having a gun in one's home would more likely be used in a domestic situation or suicide than protection of any kind.

Evil people and mentally ill people exist all over the world, however the US is the country with the problem of mass shootings and the availability of guns of all types.

Actually, there are numerous 1st World nations where civilians have access to the same (or even more deadly) types of weapons US citizens have, but you are correct in that ours is the only one with issues of this level.

 

[monsterkitty]

I'm just curious why she has to say anything (outside of perfunctory stuff that other mayors have said) since she's got no authority over this. There's been a lot of stuff being discussed. It sounds to me like she's saying all this stuff to get her name out in the news.

Sorry, but not everyone is up to city boundaries like you are. Many, including me, have no idea this is not in the city of Vegas. Maybe they asked her to speak because most assume this is in Vegas. Maybe that mayor is out of town and asked her to speak. But regardless of why she spoke, who cares right now? So not important right now or ever, really.

 

[CinderDuffy]

Replying to the bolded - I have a hard time hearing this. It's natural for people to respond to a tragedy like this one with sending thoughts and prayers. What else can we (the public) do in a situation like this? We have no control over gun laws.

And, if you are a person who believes that prayer changes things on this earth, then saying you will pray for a situation (and meaning it) is no small thing.

We can donate blood, donate money/supplies, donate time (I saw they're looking for volunteer crisis counselors in Nevada, for example), contact our elected officials, etc.

Thoughts & prayers have yet to have any actual effect or create any meaningful change. It certainly isn't helping Puerto Rico & it won't help Las Vegas. Those people need more than lip service.

 

[nd5056]

... If it was indeed a belt-fed M60 or the like, it's easlily a $100,000 weapon.

This might have been it. Compare the shooting sound from the assult here: to this YouTube video here:

 

[Bianca and Bernard]

Well listen, I’m not going to play semantics or Google fu with you. The people in Paradise (as well as Spring Valley, Lone Mountain etc.) consider themselves Las Vegans and if you send them a letter you’re going to have to address it to “Las Vegas, NV.” This tragedy happened in the Las Vegas Valley of which we all consider ourselves a part of. To suggest that the Mayor is responding for any other reason but that tragedy is absolutely tasteless. “The worst US Mass Shooting in History” 58 people dead, over 500 wounded and you want to debate on whether or not the mayor should respond to it.

 

[erin1715]

We can donate blood, donate money/supplies, donate time (I saw they're looking for volunteer crisis counselors in Nevada, for example), contact our elected officials, etc.

Thoughts & prayers have yet to have any actual effect or create any meaningful change. It certainly isn't helping Puerto Rico & it won't help Las Vegas. Those people need more than lip service.

I agree we can, and do, do all of those things (time, money, etc). But I disagree with your second paragraph. We can each have our own opinion and leave it at that.

 

[katie01]

First victim identified.https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/brea...d-in-las-vegas-shooting/ar-AAsNWqb?li=BBnbkly I'm just trying to take in the fact that with the death toll already at 58, there are 58 more stories like this, 58 people who were loved and leave behind grieving families and friends. The amount of victims just increases exponentially when you realize that all the loved ones of the deceased are victims too. And with 400+ people injured? No telling what physical toll that has taken on them, not to mention the fact that there will be emotional repurcussions for each and every one of them.

 

[Bianca and Bernard]

First victim identified.https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/brea...d-in-las-vegas-shooting/ar-AAsNWqb?li=BBnbkly I'm just trying to take in the fact that with the death toll already at 58, there are 58 more stories like this, 58 people who were loved and leave behind grieving families and friends. The amount of victims just increases exponentially when you realize that all the loved ones of the deceased are victims too. And with 400+ people injured? No telling what physical toll that has taken on them, not to mention the fact that there will be emotional repurcussions for each and every one of them.

And we don't know how many of those injured will not make it. Plus how many people were injured and didn't go seek medical attention (sprained ankles, pulled muscles, etc). Those numbers may fluctuate.

Over 20,000 people in that concert, according to the news this morning. Thank whatever diety you chose to acknowledge that more people weren't shot/killed/injured. They were fish in a barrel.

 

[Gumbo4x4]

This might have been it. Compare the shooting sound from the assult here: to this YouTube video here:

I don't know if they're the same, but there is no doubt that was full-auto gunfire at the concert. Definitely not the kind of weapon Joe Blow picks up at Bob's Discount Gun & Pawn.

 

[katie01]

Just saw this link, forgive me if it's been posted already https://www.yahoo.com/news/las-vegas-shooting-suspect-stephen-164900369.html (edited to say it reports that the shooters father was a former bank robber on the FBI's most wanted list, who was possibly psychopathic.)

 

[Bianca and Bernard]

Just saw this link, forgive me if it's been posted already https://www.yahoo.com/news/las-vegas-shooting-suspect-stephen-164900369.html

Honestly, I don't care. I don't care who his parents were, or what his motives were. I wish the newscasters wouldn't have ever said his name. He is not human, less than human, less than nothing. There is no excuse or reason...NONE...to excuse what he did.

For those far away, and wanting to help, there is a GoFundMe set up by the Clark County Commission Chair, Steve Sisolak. Over 800K so far.

 

[Hikergirl]

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/02/us/las-vegas-shooter/index.html

-- Paddock bought multiple firearms in the past, but investigators believe the firearms were purchased legally, a law enforcement official said. The official said initial reports suggest at least one rifle was altered to function as an automatic weapon.

 

[mummabear]

So horrible.
It wasn't too long ago on a thread here on the DIS that I said I'd choose Vegas after Disney as my destination of choice with Southwest points. I've never been, but have always wanted to go. One of my reasons for Vegas was that I assumed it's probably one of the safest destinations in the world due to all of the security with that much money floating around.

I guess that's no longer the case. And the reports keep getting worse and worse for this incident.

Prayers for all affected, and for this crazy world in which we live.

We went for a few days in Las Vegas in September, honestly before the trip I was starting to get really worried about these van attacks plodding into crowds, I was relieved to see the strip is now almost entirely fenced between the sidewalk and road.

When the news first hit it said 2 dead in shooting and I assumed it was an argument gone horribly too far.

It is just horrific, the sound from the video, just really scary stuff.

 

[cruiser21]

this thread has jumped the shark

I'm surprised this thread has been allowed to go into political territory. I thought that was a discno no.

 

[katie01]

Honestly, I don't care. I don't care who his parents were, or what his motives were. I wish the newscasters wouldn't have ever said his name. He is not human, less than human, less than nothing. There is no excuse or reason...NONE...to excuse what he did.

For those far away, and wanting to help, there is a GoFundMe set up by the Clark County Commission Chair, Steve Sisolak. Over 800K so far.

I know what you're saying, but I think someone (not necessarily you or I) needs to care about the backgrounds of these shooters in an effort to figure out what leads some people to do this, or what signs may be there. Definitely *not* as an excuse, but to possibly prevent future incidents. No telling if it will help or not, but nothing else seems to be working.

Edited to say, I'm sure there's at least one incident that has been prevented due to someone seeing or hearing something suspicious, and seeing the red flags based on hearing the profiles of other past shooters. I can't quote exact examples at the moment, but I seem to remember hearing about potential shootings stopped due to someone speaking up about troubling behavior

 

[Albort]

When the news first hit it said 2 dead in shooting and I assumed it was an argument gone horribly too far.

It is just horrific, the sound from the video, just really scary stuff.

same here, i went to bed hearing about it. I thought it was some guy that opened fire in the casino or something... didnt expect to wake up to see gunman firing into a crowd with an automatic gun.
Its so tragic. My day feels rather... down.

 

[Magpie]

Honestly, I don't care. I don't care who his parents were, or what his motives were. I wish the newscasters wouldn't have ever said his name. He is not human, less than human, less than nothing. There is no excuse or reason...NONE...to excuse what he did.

For those far away, and wanting to help, there is a GoFundMe set up by the Clark County Commission Chair, Steve Sisolak. Over 800K so far.

I care who he was, because - unimaginable as it seems - this man could have been our husband, our lover, our father, our grandfather, our brother or our son. So I want to know what he was thinking. I want to know what his justifications were. I want to know what went so terribly wrong in his mind, in his character, in his whole moral compass. I want to know if there's anything that can be done to identify people at risk of doing what he did, and keep it from happening again.

Maybe there's no clear answer, but I don't think that means we should stop asking.

 

[dina444444]

A couple more names have been released

http://abc7.com/manhattan-beach-special-education-teacher-killed-in-vegas-shooting/2479768/

http://www.nixle.us/9M6A7

 

[pigletto]

Isis is taking responsibility for it.

They are. Doesn't necessarily make it true. I'd imagine they would want to take credit for this one whether they did it or not since it was such a mass casualty event.

We were in Fort Lauderdale for the shooting and subsequent terror this January. Watching the moments on tv where the people realize what is happening and start to run.. I know that feeling intimately and it will change them forever. There's people today trying to find their sons/daughter/cousins/ partners/ friends .

First victim identified.https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/brea...d-in-las-vegas-shooting/ar-AAsNWqb?li=BBnbkly I'm just trying to take in the fact that with the death toll already at 58, there are 58 more stories like this, 58 people who were loved and leave behind grieving families and friends. The amount of victims just increases exponentially when you realize that all the loved ones of the deceased are victims too. And with 400+ people injured? No telling what physical toll that has taken on them, not to mention the fact that there will be emotional repurcussions for each and every one of them.

And then the survivors. As grateful as they will be to be alive, you can bet they won't be the same. EVER. Jumping at a noise, afraid to take their kids in crowds, sitting up at night, jumpy, depressed.. looking at the world forever changed and losing all their naivety and sense of security.
Watching the coverage is like dropping me back into terror. That moment when the stampeding starts. And my family are the lucky ones. No doubt about it.

And believe this people .. there is GOOD out there. People who will move your kids to the exit. People who will grab your hand so you don't get left behind. Someone who will offer to hold your hand because you are afraid. All isn't lost. But its really bad.