Land Border Opening?

[Minniemoo15]

@Minniemoo15 Same question as I was asking over on the air travel policy thread.

He would need to test in Montreal then continue to Halifax (I am from Halifax!). I have no idea if they are using rapid testing or what. Halifax airport is using the rapid tests, I believe.

BUT, a big but, what if his test in Montreal came back positive? He would need to isolate in Montreal until he got negative test. He would likely need to present a quarantine plan in Montreal FOR Montreal in case this happened. This is how I am understanding all of this.

Good to know … so he better make sure to have a long layover in Montreal to await the test results. Worst case if it came back positive his work would cover him. Man this is complicated ! He is supposed to come back on June 30th but was going to stick around until the 5th (now the 6th) to avoid the quarantaine. Maybe better just to come back as planned and do the 2 week quarantine at home.

 

[TommyJK]

Government officials keep moving the goal posts. For months Tam's numbers she always pointed out that they were wanting to have a 70/20. Slowly their rhetoric changed.

Has somethng changed? The previous announcements said 75/20 to start easing restrictions. We've hit that and the restrictions are starting to ease. Did I miss something that changed from before?

 

[Pumpkin1172]

I think by fall things will a lot more open border wise. I think the major hold up is the vaccine passport. Right now they are using the app but I think they want a more permanent thing.

Yup...I believe they are holding off until that.

But of course in true official government style, they are NOT prepared, and behind the ball again. Sigh....it is frustrating just how behind the ball and unprepared they are. And before someone says that he was waiting to go to the g& summit to " talk and discuss" about vaccine passports. Their official stance has been that alllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll along. They are always behind the ball.

 

[ilovetotravel1977]

@Minniemoo15

Here is the link I could find to Montreal testing:

https://www.admtl.com/en/guide/tips/travel/covid-test
There might be more on the website I just couldn't find.

 

[Pumpkin1172]

Has somethng changed? The previous announcements said 75/20 to start easing restrictions. We've hit that and the restrictions are starting to ease. Did I miss something that changed from before?

They had always said 70/20 for those who are eligible. Now it's 75/20 for total population. That's a HUGE difference of numbers, considering anyone under 12 can't get the vaccine.

Restrictions are lifting here in Alberta. I was shocked to see us hit 70% for a first shot. I really didn't think Alberta would hit that. So yes, our restrictions are lifting here.

BUT on a federal level, they flip flopped and have changed the goal posts. I understand with the delta variant that they want to be cautious - and we do need to. I am not disagreeing with that at all. As more people get first and second shots here in Canada, we will have done better as a country than many other countries. I just hope that people don't get discouraged and stop getting their shots, because the goal posts keep moving.

Edited to add;

First it was going to be a 2 shot summer, then that changed to a 1 shot cautious summer and a 2 shot fall, because the promised shipments were not coming in. Goal posts moved again. We had been promised alllllllllllll these gagillions of numbers of vaccines coming in...and really they trickled in until May. Goal posts moved. They have constantly moved them.

 

[TommyJK]

They had always said 70/20 for those who are eligible. Now it's 75/20 for total population. That's a HUGE difference of numbers, considering anyone under 12 can't get the vaccine.

I had not seen anything saying 70/20 from before. Here is an article from a month ago that states 75/20 to start easing.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/rbl-reopening-travel-borders-1.6038055
"The Public Health Agency of Canada (PHAC) is holding to its "aspirational" targets of vaccine coverage, saying that once 75 per cent of eligible Canadians have received one dose and 20 per cent are fully vaccinated, restrictions can start to be safely lifted."

And as I have noted before there is still confusion of the metric being "elligible" vs. "full population". I have read many articles over the weeks with some stating elligle and some stating total population, but neither confirmed as being gospel. Even in todays conference I had not heard any of the officials definitively state it one way or another.

 

[Mikey15]

My DH has to fly to the US for work next week. He is fully vaccinated and will stay a few days later to fly home on the 5th if it means he can skip quarantine.

Just to be clear, it's spelled out as 11:59pm ET on the 5th. In other words, the new rules are in effect on the 6th, though there's some time zone considerations.

I'm not sure why it's framed that way instead of saying "the 6th," but I wouldn't want to book a flight back on the 5th and then be surprised!

 

[Pumpkin1172]

I am not traveling until November, so I am not as worried about my plans, but I am anxious for my fellow DIS'ers.

I feel the same!

For those who have travel plans sooner rather than later, I hope that once our #'s of shots and second shots increase, that we will see boarder restrictions ease even more - especially of anyone in your household who is eligible to get one, has their second dose.

The announcement today, gives me a little hope that they know we are unsettled and want to travel again. It makes me hopeful that I may be able to plan a last minute nascar race weekend birthday surprise for DH.

 

[bcwife76]

Ok so just so I understand this correctly:
If we choose to go to Mexico in August with our two kids (13 yr old will be fully vaxxed, 10 yr old will not):

-no pre departure test as Mexico does not require them
-test with a PCR test (have check with hotel we want to book, they are $125US a test and can be done at the hotel, the concierge arranges it for us) 72hrs before departure
-test again at YVR
-everyone isolates til negative test comes back (1-3 days), 10yr old quarantines at home regardless.
-dh and I and 13 yr old can come and go as we please after negative test, 10 yr old stays home but can roam around the HOUSE, just not LEAVE the house? And obvs I am NOT leaving my 10yr old home alone, if I need to go out to the store or whatnot, my 13yr old stays with her.

Am I missing anything? Did I get anything wrong?

 

[Jrb1979]

Ok so just so I understand this correctly:
If we choose to go to Mexico in August with our two kids (13 yr old will be fully vaxxed, 10 yr old will not):

-no pre departure test as Mexico does not require them
-test with a PCR test (have check with hotel we want to book, they are $125US a test and can be done at the hotel, the concierge arranges it for us) 72hrs before departure
-test again at YVR
-everyone isolates til negative test comes back (1-3 days), 10yr old quarantines at home regardless.
-dh and I and 13 yr old can come and go as we please after negative test, 10 yr old stays home but can roam around the HOUSE, just not LEAVE the house? And obvs I am NOT leaving my 10yr old home alone, if I need to go out to the store or whatnot, my 13yr old stays with her.

Am I missing anything? Did I get anything wrong?

That's the jist of it. Due to all those hoops to jump through its not worth it to travel. Til they drop the testing and waiting for negative test I'm not going anywhere.

If it was winter then maybe I would go through all of that. Since it's summer and we have nice weather here, I will vacation here instead.

 

[flav]

Ok so just so I understand this correctly:
If we choose to go to Mexico in August with our two kids (13 yr old will be fully vaxxed, 10 yr old will not):

-no pre departure test as Mexico does not require them
-test with a PCR test (have check with hotel we want to book, they are $125US a test and can be done at the hotel, the concierge arranges it for us) 72hrs before departure
-test again at YVR
-everyone isolates til negative test comes back (1-3 days), 10yr old quarantines at home regardless.
-dh and I and 13 yr old can come and go as we please after negative test, 10 yr old stays home but can roam around the HOUSE, just not LEAVE the house? And obvs I am NOT leaving my 10yr old home alone, if I need to go out to the store or whatnot, my 13yr old stays with her.

Am I missing anything? Did I get anything wrong?

That is my understanding of the announcement and the rules as well.

 

[Mikey15]

They had always said 70/20 for those who are eligible. Now it's 75/20 for total population.

Who, and when?

In April, public health said things could start being safely eased around 75/20 of eligible, which was 18+ at the time. Then 12+ became eligible and everyone's just stuck with % of eligible. I have not seen a government official tie anything to a threshold of 75/20 of total.

70/20 was never a thing federally (federal govt being in charge of border rules) though some provinces chose 70 as their threshold instead of 75 for their own reopening policies. Not relevant to land border.

 

[bcwife76]

That's the jist of it. Due to all those hoops to jump through its not worth it to travel. Til they drop the testing and waiting for negative test I'm not going anywhere.

If it was winter then maybe I would go through all of that. Since it's summer and we have nice weather here, I will vacation here instead.

Ideally I would like to wait til November as well but if they are STILL isolating kids who aren't vaccinated (hoping they have one available by then but being realistic) then we absolutely cannot go as I don't want her missing 2 weeks of school on top of whatever time they would miss to go on vacation.

 

[TommyJK]

Ok so just so I understand this correctly:
If we choose to go to Mexico in August with our two kids (13 yr old will be fully vaxxed, 10 yr old will not):

-no pre departure test as Mexico does not require them
-test with a PCR test (have check with hotel we want to book, they are $125US a test and can be done at the hotel, the concierge arranges it for us) 72hrs before departure
-test again at YVR
-everyone isolates til negative test comes back (1-3 days), 10yr old quarantines at home regardless.
-dh and I and 13 yr old can come and go as we please after negative test, 10 yr old stays home but can roam around the HOUSE, just not LEAVE the house? And obvs I am NOT leaving my 10yr old home alone, if I need to go out to the store or whatnot, my 13yr old stays with her.

Am I missing anything? Did I get anything wrong?

This all looks correct assuming that no further border measures will change in any way by August.

There is always the chance that either a) something goes wrong on the virus front and they re-tighten the borders or b) things go well and they further ease the border by then.

 

[hdrolfe]

Ok so just so I understand this correctly:
If we choose to go to Mexico in August with our two kids (13 yr old will be fully vaxxed, 10 yr old will not):

-no pre departure test as Mexico does not require them
-test with a PCR test (have check with hotel we want to book, they are $125US a test and can be done at the hotel, the concierge arranges it for us) 72hrs before departure
-test again at YVR
-everyone isolates til negative test comes back (1-3 days), 10yr old quarantines at home regardless.
-dh and I and 13 yr old can come and go as we please after negative test, 10 yr old stays home but can roam around the HOUSE, just not LEAVE the house? And obvs I am NOT leaving my 10yr old home alone, if I need to go out to the store or whatnot, my 13yr old stays with her.

Am I missing anything? Did I get anything wrong?

I don't think the three of you who are vaccinated need to isolate when you return? Can someone point out where it says you have to do this?

And you need to provide proof that you are vaccinated of course.

 

[flav]

In the video attached to the following article (everything is in French so I translate loosely), Quebec PM Legault says that all provincial PM met last Thursday and also with PM Trudeau, and they agree to open the borders, starting with the US in early July, if travellers have a proof of full vaccination.

Article de La Presse : La quarantaine passe à la trappe
https://lp.ca/fWJiRT?sharing=true

 

[bcwife76]

I don't think the three of you who are vaccinated need to isolate when you return? Can someone point out where it says you have to do this?

And you need to provide proof that you are vaccinated of course.

I think the 3 of us who are/will be fully vaccinated just need to isolate until we get our negative tests back from landing at YVR?

 

[ilovetotravel1977]

@bcwife76 that was said initially before today's announcement, but I don't recall the Minister mentioned isolating for the 1-3 days. Pretty sure she said NO quarantine.

 

[ellbell]

I think the 3 of us who are/will be fully vaccinated just need to isolate until we get our negative tests back from landing at YVR?

The link that I posted earlier for the government site said only need to quarantine IF you test upon arrival is positive

 

[spewey]

In today's announcement was there any mention made of Bill Blair saying in his interview yesterday that Canada need 75% of the population fully vaccinated before all restrictions could be lifted?

That's a seriously high bar. I get that the "easing" will be taking place soon, but as others point out the coordination and expense of the testing is a significant barrier to travel.