Kudos to John McCain

[lindalinda]

I keep having a co-worker whine that Obama should be doing better (he's supporting McCain so I don't know why he cares anyway) and he keeps saying there is only a 2 point difference. In which poll?

There was a zogby poll about a week ago that had a 2 point difference for one days poll. Even that poll shows 4 points now and it is the closest. The composites havent had them that close for a few weeks (right after the Palin pick). Not that I believe the polls, but it is interesting to check the differences. The internals are very interesting and give you afeel for the general feeling of the populace.

 

[bicker]

Palin has more experience with Govenering than Obama

Palin has more experience governing poorly, and working to impose her religious perspective on those she governs. Her ascendency isn't most concerning because of her inexperience, but rather because of how her stated intentions attack freedom.

Many US Sentators have been deemed to be excellent Presidents, such as John F. Kennedy, and many US governors have not, such as Jimmy Carter. As a matter of fact, Jimmy Carter was governor of Georgia twice as long as Palin was governor of Alaska. Alaska's population is approximately 7% that of Georgia, and Alaska's economy is about 10% that of Georgia. No, having governance experience is no predictor of performance of a President.

and she is running for VICE PRESIDENT.

Under a man who, best case, relying only on objective measures and therefore ignoring his history of cancer, still leaves a 30% chance of him dying in office and therefore Palin succeeding him. That inescapable truth is something that the McCain/Palin campaign is trying and failing to run away from now.

If you looked at the job of president like any other job and compared resumes obama wouldn't even get to the first interview.

Incorrect. Obama would get an interview, and Palin would not.

He seems dishonest to me.

That's your subjective and perhaps highly biased opinion, whereas Palin, now, evidently, is untrustworthy, as determined by a bipartisan panel of her peers.

 

[bicker]

Hence the reason I said personally, Bicker. I realize my concern has a personal bias because I watched 'the Colonel' die a horrible death.

Granted and credit to you for making that clear.

 

[bicker]

Your statements are not consistent with the facts. Over the course of the last week Obama's negatives have risen 10-12%, and McCain has tightened to Obama 2-3%.

That is not correct. I see others have pointed out your error already. Indeed, many folks think that McCain's contrition mentioned in the OP is partially due to the fact that Republican negatives have climbed as fast as Democrats, because of the hateful rhetoric that he's now condemning.

Not that I believe the polls

Indeed, but if someone is going to live by the polls (as above) then they'll have to face dying by the polls.

 

[Wonderlandmom]

But here's the thing:

• No insurance, RIGHT NOW, for over forty million people
• Massive job losses overseas
• Economy in the tank
• Foreclosures at an all time high
• A looming recession for sure, and possibly another Depression
• A 10 billion dollar American debt that grows each month by staying in a no-win war that has absolutely no benefit for Americans at all
• Loss of American soldiers in that war

Sorry, Obama is not going to fix most of these and will even make the debt larger.
And some of us think that "that war" is worth fighting.

 

[BuckNaked]

Sorry, Obama is not going to fix most of these and will even make the debt larger.
And some of us think that "that war" is worth fighting.

Absolutely.

 

[What the Heck]

But here's the thing:

1). Ayers isn't running for President

2). I don't give a frak what Ayers did when I was five years old and Obama was eight years old. I give a frak about:

• No insurance, RIGHT NOW, for over forty million people
• Massive job losses overseas
• Economy in the tank
• Foreclosures at an all time high
• A looming recession for sure, and possibly another Depression
• A 10 billion dollar American debt that grows each month by staying in a no-win war that has absolutely no benefit for Americans at all
• Loss of American soldiers in that war

The issues that matter to me are the very real ones I listed above. I personally believe that an Obama Administration would address those issues better than a Palin Administration.

- No Insurance. Obama's plan would cost 1.6 Trillion to implement. And I think that number is low. How is he going to afford that AND give out his tax cuts?
- Massive job losses overseas. Hmmm. And how will Obama fix that? Is he going to remove the minimum wage? He has helped with the cost of land by keeping Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac deregulated, so that might help.
- Economy in the tank. So now is the perfect time to tax the people who would be able to bring us out. Great idea.
- Forclosure's at an all time how. Well we had the President for the last 7 years and John McCain in 2005 try to regulate Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac so this wouldn't happen. The legislation was blocked by the Democrats. It wasn't filibuster proof. We have Chris Dodd and Barney Frank saying that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were not in trouble. Proclaiming it to the world, that the attempt to regulate was just a Republican dirty trick to keep from giving homes to the poor. And we have Barack Obama that has voted with his party 97% of the time. Yea, he's going to help us out there.
- A looming recession sure, and possibly a depression. Again, if you increase spending like Obama plans, and increase taxes on those who would be the ones to get us out of this mess, like Obama plans, you have the perfect formula for a depression. It's only if you cut spending like McCain plans, and cut taxes for those who can create jobs and create wealth for our economy like McCain plans that you keep it as a recession instead of a depression.
- The war. You do realize that Obama's plan to have all the troops out in 2009 is now to having them out when the generals say it's appropriate? And McCain's plan? To have them out when the generals say it's appropriate. Obama's plan is now the exact same as McCain's.

 

[ChrisFL]

Sorry, Obama is not going to fix most of these and will even make the debt larger.
And some of us think that "that war" is worth fighting.

He'd sure come a lot closer than McCain keeping Bush's policies that led us into this mess

 

[disney1990]

But here's the thing:

1). Ayers isn't running for President

2). I don't give a frak what Ayers did when I was five years old and Obama was eight years old. I give a frak about:

• No insurance, RIGHT NOW, for over forty million people
• Massive job losses overseas
• Economy in the tank
• Foreclosures at an all time high
• A looming recession for sure, and possibly another Depression
• A 10 billion dollar American debt that grows each month by staying in a no-win war that has absolutely no benefit for Americans at all
• Loss of American soldiers in that war

I'm more likely to be a victim of any one of those things I just listed than be a victim of terrorism. MUCH more likely.

Therefore, whether or not a Presidential candidate had lunch with, lives in a neighborhood with or sat on a board with 20 people, one of whom was a man who, when he was 18 or 19 years old, did something foolish or downright stupid almost 40 years ago ....well that just not an issue that really matters to me. Nor do I want an apology from him because, let's face it, his apology don't pay my rent.

The issues that matter to me are the very real ones I listed above. I personally believe that an Obama Administration would address those issues better than a Palin Administration.

Agreed.

 

[Wonderlandmom]

- No Insurance. Obama's plan would cost 1.6 Trillion to implement. And I think that number is low. How is he going to afford that AND give out his tax cuts?
- Massive job losses overseas. Hmmm. And how will Obama fix that? Is he going to remove the minimum wage? He has helped with the cost of land by keeping Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac deregulated, so that might help.
- Economy in the tank. So now is the perfect time to tax the people who would be able to bring us out. Great idea.
- Forclosure's at an all time how. Well we had the President for the last 7 years and John McCain in 2005 try to regulate Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac so this wouldn't happen. The legislation was blocked by the Democrats. It wasn't filibuster proof. We have Chris Dodd and Barney Frank saying that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were not in trouble. Proclaiming it to the world, that the attempt to regulate was just a Republican dirty trick to keep from giving homes to the poor. And we have Barack Obama that has voted with his party 97% of the time. Yea, he's going to help us out there.
- A looming recession sure, and possibly a depression. Again, if you increase spending like Obama plans, and increase taxes on those who would be the ones to get us out of this mess, like Obama plans, you have the perfect formula for a depression. It's only if you cut spending like McCain plans, and cut taxes for those who can create jobs and create wealth for our economy like McCain plans that you keep it as a recession instead of a depression.
- The war. You do realize that Obama's plan to have all the troops out in 2009 is now to having them out when the generals say it's appropriate? And McCain's plan? To have them out when the generals say it's appropriate. Obama's plan is now the exact same as McCain's.

You got that right!

 

[castleview]

Oh please. It's Palin and her "Joe six pack" vs. the "elite" that is the class warfare.

Is Palin seeking higher taxes on the over $250,000 a year "elite" to give to Joe Six Pack?

 

[BuckNaked]

Is Palin seeking higher taxes on the over $250,000 a year "elite" to give to Joe Six Pack?

And is Gov. Palin lying to the American people about the tax cuts currently in place, as Sen. Obama is doing?

 

[ChrisFL]

Riiiight, that's why a majority of economists and experts like Warren Buffet support Obama's plan for the economy

 

[BuckNaked]

Riiiight, that's why a majority of economists and experts like Warren Buffet support Obama's plan for the economy

Support doesn't change the fact that Sen. Obama is lying when he says that the current tax cuts are only for the rich.

 

[corndog]

That is not correct. I see others have pointed out your error already.

It is correct. And there have been no errors pointed out.

I didn't say the race had tightened to 2-3%, but tightened by 2-3%, which is 100% accurate.

 

[bicker]

Black is White, Up is Down, War is Peace...

 

[BuckNaked]

Black is White, Up is Down, War is Peace...

You do realize that there is a very real difference between the two statements, right? I've not looked at the numbers so I have no idea, but it is entirely possible for one statement to be true and the other to be false.

 

[What the Heck]

He'd sure come a lot closer than McCain keeping Bush's policies that led us into this mess

Actually, Obama is closer to Bush's policies than McCain:

Obama:
Tax Increase for rich
Tax Cut for middle class/poor
Spending increase

Bush
Tax Cut for Rich
Tax Cut for middle class/poor
Spending increase

McCain
Tax Cut for Rich
Tax Cut for middle class/poor (less than Obama's)
Spending Freeze/Decrease

Of course, I really doubt that Obama will be able to provide the tax cut for the middle class/poor. His increases in spending just won't allow it.

Just because Obama is driving on the left side of the road, doesn't mean he isn't on the same highway as Bush.

 

[jenrose66]

Of course McCain can say Obama is a good guy, he has Sarah Palin to do his dirty work....

 

[basas]

You're right, she shouldn't have been.



I see - it's OK to bomb buildings or commit other terrorist acts so long as you say you're sorry and move on to do good things. Got it. Too bad Timothy McVeigh didn't think of that, maybe he could have been a school teacher in Oklahoma now.

But wait, Ayers has never said he's sorry, has he? In fact, quite the opposite, he's said he wishes he had done more. How anyone can defend him is beyond me.

I don't care what he's supposedly done for education - the man is an unapologetic, unrepentant terrorist, and I'm not at all comfortable with the idea that the likely President of the United States launched his poltical career in the guy's living room.

Well said. I don’t understand why the OS think it’s so unreasonable to question Obama’s judgment. When you have an inexperienced candidate like Obama, why is it so surprising that people are looking further back to get a better idea of just who Obama really is?

But here's the thing:

1). Ayers isn't running for President

2). I don't give a frak what Ayers did when I was five years old and Obama was eight years old. I give a frak about:

• No insurance, RIGHT NOW, for over forty million people
• Massive job losses overseas
• Economy in the tank
• Foreclosures at an all time high
• A looming recession for sure, and possibly another Depression
• A 10 billion dollar American debt that grows each month by staying in a no-win war that has absolutely no benefit for Americans at all
• Loss of American soldiers in that war

I'm more likely to be a victim of any one of those things I just listed than be a victim of terrorism. MUCH more likely.

Therefore, whether or not a Presidential candidate had lunch with, lives in a neighborhood with or sat on a board with 20 people, one of whom was a man who, when he was 18 or 19 years old, did something foolish or downright stupid almost 40 years ago ....well that just not an issue that really matters to me. Nor do I want an apology from him because, let's face it, his apology don't pay my rent.

The issues that matter to me are the very real ones I listed above. I personally believe that an Obama Administration would address those issues better than a Palin Administration.

And you don’t think Obama’s judgment might have an impact on how he responds to these issues?

Sorry, Obama is not going to fix most of these and will even make the debt larger.
And some of us think that "that war" is worth fighting.

- No Insurance. Obama's plan would cost 1.6 Trillion to implement. And I think that number is low. How is he going to afford that AND give out his tax cuts?
- Massive job losses overseas. Hmmm. And how will Obama fix that? Is he going to remove the minimum wage? He has helped with the cost of land by keeping Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac deregulated, so that might help.
- Economy in the tank. So now is the perfect time to tax the people who would be able to bring us out. Great idea.
- Forclosure's at an all time how. Well we had the President for the last 7 years and John McCain in 2005 try to regulate Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac so this wouldn't happen. The legislation was blocked by the Democrats. It wasn't filibuster proof. We have Chris Dodd and Barney Frank saying that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were not in trouble. Proclaiming it to the world, that the attempt to regulate was just a Republican dirty trick to keep from giving homes to the poor. And we have Barack Obama that has voted with his party 97% of the time. Yea, he's going to help us out there.
- A looming recession sure, and possibly a depression. Again, if you increase spending like Obama plans, and increase taxes on those who would be the ones to get us out of this mess, like Obama plans, you have the perfect formula for a depression. It's only if you cut spending like McCain plans, and cut taxes for those who can create jobs and create wealth for our economy like McCain plans that you keep it as a recession instead of a depression.
- The war. You do realize that Obama's plan to have all the troops out in 2009 is now to having them out when the generals say it's appropriate? And McCain's plan? To have them out when the generals say it's appropriate. Obama's plan is now the exact same as McCain's.

Well said!