Kids Kicked out of School for Wearing American Flag Tshirts

[swald91]

Honestly, if you want to celebrate it-celebrate it! You don't have to be Irish to celebrate St Patrick's Day...blah, blah, blah. Who cares-it's America-if they are proud & not being offensive-I don't get it. If you don't like the celebrations that are going on-stay away from them. I just don't get it today-

 

[hentob]

In the mexican side, because their mothers had to work lots of shifts (on the Maquila factorys) ,left kids alone, with some much time in their hands, didnt go to school, they got violent, got into bands, and there is were the narcotics business became alive.

They sell drugs and kill over drugs because their mothers have to work Oh please

Then it started, when they figure out that they have a lot of rights, and everywere they hear that they have to stand by them, fight for them, and because of that, they now, demand them. But since their parents where uneducated, and this is the first generation that goes to school, they havent learn yet, a lot of things, like the American flag in American Territory, is the MOST important flag, and it should be rised above everything.

They come to another country illegally and don’t know that the flag of that country reigns supreme Poppycock

I am sorry, but your past posts are written very eloquently. Your spelling is near perfect in every post (almost 300) you have ever had, except for this thread. Give up the act. Stop making excuses for the criminals that cross into MY country illegally. Nobody is to blame except for the person who breaks the law and sneaks into the USA.

I have to wonder when our citizens will begin to get so fed up with this garbage that they begin to revolt It is scary.

 

[OceanAnnie]

As one of the few posters who did suggest that the Mexican-American students might be the source of the possible violence, I'll address the bolded. It isn't a racist suggestion at all. It's based on this line from an article which has additional information about the incident:

At an earlier meeting, Principal Nick Boden and Rodriguez indicated to her that they were worried about the safety of the American-flag boys.

They didn't say they were concerned for the safety of the Mexican-American students, they said they were concerned for the safety of those who were wearing the American flag. Unless you are assuming for some reason that the American flag wearing students are going to turn on each other, the logical assumption is that they believed there was a possiblity that some - not all - of the Mexican-American students would resort to violence. I honestly can't see how that could be racist. As others have mentioned often in this thread (and as I'm sure you are aware since you are a school administrator) the administrators usually know who the problem students are. If they are concerned about some students being violent then there's probably good reason for that, and there's nothing racist about it. But if somehow it is racist, then you'll have to blame Assistant Principal Miguel Rodriguez and Principal Nick Bolden for their racist assumptions, because those assumptions aren't coming from anyone here.

I agree with you. It's sad you have to explain it to the nth degree. It really is.

When does it become discrimination to the kids in our own country?! What is the point of bending over backwards to sacrifice our values? It's nuts! What the heck is happening for it to get to this point???

 

[Luvchefmic]

I'm not going to give you a history lesson on MY birth country but don't agree with your statements. Regarding the birth of a child here that becomes a citizen that should have been abolished a long time ago...it was done for a particular reason re-slaves and it certainly wasn't intended for what this country is going through now. I will say that when I first saw your post I read it with an open mind with the opportunity to hear a persons point of view that lives in Mexico City. IMHO it read like someone who wanted us to understand and I also got the impression you were struggling to get your point across with "broken English"...admirable I thought....then I read some of your other posts, reads totally different I don't want to start an argument but I will NEVER accept that criminal behavior is justified...no way no shape no form.....illegal entry is a crime....period

They sell drugs and kill over drugs because their mothers have to work Oh please




They come to another country illegally and don’t know that the flag of that country reigns supreme Poppycock

I am sorry, but your past posts are written very eloquently. Your spelling is near perfect in every post (almost 300) you have ever had, except for this thread. Give up the act. Stop making excuses for the criminals that cross into MY country illegally. Nobody is to blame except for the person who breaks the law and sneaks into the USA.

I have to wonder when our citizens will begin to get so fed up with this garbage that they begin to revolt It is scary.

Thank you I knew I couldn't be the only one picking up in this

Ruthie

Proud USMC Mom times 2

 

[nuttylawprofessor]

Uh, folks, it's not about the fact that the kids wore the flag. They were trying to be provocative. They wanted to start a debate, and their use of the flag is repugnant to me. It was an open dare. It was the equivalent of a game of "I'm not touching you, I'm not touching you!" played by young children in the back of mom and dad's car. If they could have, I'm sure some of them would have preferred to wear shirts saying "Wetback go home!"

Anyone who doesn't think that the kids were trying to provoke the others is being deliberately obtuse.

I still wouldn't have punished the kids, but I would have pulled them aside to talk about their actions. I also would have assigned them a debate. If they want to exercise their right to free speech, fantastic. You'll be debating immigration issues in two weeks during school assembly.

 

[DawnCt1]

Uh, folks, it's not about the fact that the kids wore the flag. They were trying to be provocative. They wanted to start a debate, and their use of the flag is repugnant to me. It was an open dare. It was the equivalent of a game of "I'm not touching you, I'm not touching you!" played by young children in the back of mom and dad's car. If they could have, I'm sure some of them would have preferred to wear shirts saying "Wetback go home!"

Anyone who doesn't think that the kids were trying to provoke the others is being deliberately obtuse.

I still wouldn't have punished the kids, but I would have pulled them aside to talk about their actions. I also would have assigned them a debate. If they want to exercise their right to free speech, fantastic. You'll be debating immigration issues in two weeks during school assembly.

If you are actually a LAW PROFESSOR than you should know that one type of speech (a Mexican flag) cannot be chosen for display over another type of speech (an American flag). One is permitted. The other is suppressed. That is a first amendment violation. Wouldn't you agree? I don't believe there is anything in the Constitution that discusses "motive".

 

[crusoe2]

Uh, folks, it's not about the fact that the kids wore the flag. They were trying to be provocative. They wanted to start a debate, and their use of the flag is repugnant to me. It was an open dare. It was the equivalent of a game of "I'm not touching you, I'm not touching you!" played by young children in the back of mom and dad's car. If they could have, I'm sure some of them would have preferred to wear shirts saying "Wetback go home!"

Anyone who doesn't think that the kids were trying to provoke the others is being deliberately obtuse.

I still wouldn't have punished the kids, but I would have pulled them aside to talk about their actions. I also would have assigned them a debate. If they want to exercise their right to free speech, fantastic. You'll be debating immigration issues in two weeks during school assembly.

It's difficult to have a debate when the other side does the equivalent of sticking their fingers in their ears and yelling "lalalalala" loud enough that they can't hear the opposing viewpoint and neither can anyone else. There's been a lot of that going on in this country so I can understand why someone might resort to other measures.

 

[BellvilleDad]

Uh, folks, it's not about the fact that the kids wore the flag. They were trying to be provocative. They wanted to start a debate, and their use of the flag is repugnant to me. It was an open dare. It was the equivalent of a game of "I'm not touching you, I'm not touching you!" played by young children in the back of mom and dad's car. If they could have, I'm sure some of them would have preferred to wear shirts saying "Wetback go home!"

Speculation.

Anyone who doesn't think that the kids were trying to provoke the others is being deliberately obtuse.

I still wouldn't have punished the kids, but I would have pulled them aside to talk about their actions. I also would have assigned them a debate. If they want to exercise their right to free speech, fantastic. You'll be debating immigration issues in two weeks during school assembly.

What if it's not so much a matter provocation as voicing a differing opinion. Is that actionable and punishable now? Must we conform 100% with each minority that decides to move into our country. Minorities that then attempt to foist their sensibilities upon us, crying foul when they don't get their way? The heck with that.

 

[OceanAnnie]

Uh, folks, it's not about the fact that the kids wore the flag. They were trying to be provocative. They wanted to start a debate, and their use of the flag is repugnant to me. It was an open dare. It was the equivalent of a game of "I'm not touching you, I'm not touching you!" played by young children in the back of mom and dad's car. If they could have, I'm sure some of them would have preferred to wear shirts saying "Wetback go home!"

Anyone who doesn't think that the kids were trying to provoke the others is being deliberately obtuse.

I still wouldn't have punished the kids, but I would have pulled them aside to talk about their actions. I also would have assigned them a debate. If they want to exercise their right to free speech, fantastic. You'll be debating immigration issues in two weeks during school assembly.

It's all about the flag. Do the kids have a right to wear it or not?

 

[saradela]

They sell drugs and kill over drugs because their mothers have to work Oh please




They come to another country illegally and don’t know that the flag of that country reigns supreme Poppycock

I am sorry, but your past posts are written very eloquently. Your spelling is near perfect in every post (almost 300) you have ever had, except for this thread. Give up the act. Stop making excuses for the criminals that cross into MY country illegally. Nobody is to blame except for the person who breaks the law and sneaks into the USA.

I have to wonder when our citizens will begin to get so fed up with this garbage that they begin to revolt It is scary.

If you like to read, this post ,was at the newspaper:
http://static.rnw.nl/migratie/www.i...icidiojuarez/esp051201_manchanegra-redirected

The studys of Ciudad Juárez (where a lot of women have been murder) establish that there are around 500 dangerous bands of criminals, and states that women have to work around 14 hours a day, so they left the kids alone,and that is why, the bands integrates this kids to their called "familys".
If everyone at the border, including Mexican Patrol control had done their job well, we wouldnt have neither illegal entrys of people to the USA, neither Mexico will have weapons that use the narcotrafic , because you have 2 sides, The Mexican Patrol, and the USA patrol. TWO.
And I am not making any excuses.

 

[nuttylawprofessor]

It's all about the flag. Do the kids have a right to wear it or not?

They have the right to wear anything that complies with the dress code and does not unreasonably disrupt the academic environment.

 

[Luvchefmic]

Uh, folks, it's not about the fact that the kids wore the flag. They were trying to be provocative. They wanted to start a debate, and their use of the flag is repugnant to me. It was an open dare. It was the equivalent of a game of "I'm not touching you, I'm not touching you!" played by young children in the back of mom and dad's car. If they could have, I'm sure some of them would have preferred to wear shirts saying "Wetback go home!"
Anyone who doesn't think that the kids were trying to provoke the others is being deliberately obtuse.

I still wouldn't have punished the kids, but I would have pulled them aside to talk about their actions. I also would have assigned them a debate. If they want to exercise their right to free speech, fantastic. You'll be debating immigration issues in two weeks during school assembly.

Whoa.....just Whoa !! Way Over The Line ! and did your Law Degree come with a Crystal Ball....you've got these kids motives down ?.....

 

[moburg]

Uh, folks, it's not about the fact that the kids wore the flag. They were trying to be provocative. They wanted to start a debate, and their use of the flag is repugnant to me. It was an open dare. It was the equivalent of a game of "I'm not touching you, I'm not touching you!" played by young children in the back of mom and dad's car. If they could have, I'm sure some of them would have preferred to wear shirts saying "Wetback go home!"

Anyone who doesn't think that the kids were trying to provoke the others is being deliberately obtuse.

I still wouldn't have punished the kids, but I would have pulled them aside to talk about their actions. I also would have assigned them a debate. If they want to exercise their right to free speech, fantastic. You'll be debating immigration issues in two weeks during school assembly.

 

[OceanAnnie]

They have the right to wear anything that complies with the dress code and does not unreasonably disrupt the academic environment.

And the American flag in America should never be part of that clause.

 

[moburg]

They have the right to wear anything that complies with the dress code and does not unreasonably disrupt the academic environment.

Great! I'm glad you agree the kids did nothing wrong by wearing those shirts.

 

[nuttylawprofessor]

Whoa.....just Whoa !! Way Over The Line !

They were trying to provoke debate and confrontation with students of MEXICAN heritage, celebrating their heritage. They played the race card.

 

[Mickey'snewestfan]

The Mexican-American students demanded the denial of the American Flag simply by causing fear in the administration that campus unrest would happen if the flag of the United States was worn on a day they were wearing the flag of the Mexican Government. . . . Especially when the flag of the US is forbidden because the administration is scared of the Mexican-American students (their words - feared campus safety) and what might happen if somebody wore patriotic clothing, whether it was one person or a large group.

This is one example of the post that I alluded to when I said that members were assuming that the Mexican-American students were the ones threatening violence.

 

[moburg]

They were trying to provoke debate and confrontation with students of MEXICAN heritage, celebrating their heritage. They played the race card.

Amazing, that power you must have to know exactly what their thought processes were.

I stand by my original assessment.

 

[hentob]

The studys of Ciudad Juárez (where a lot of women have been murder) establish that there are around 500 dangerous bands of criminals, and states that women have to work around 14 hours a day, so they left the kids alone,and that is why, the bands integrates this kids to their called "familys".
If everyone at the border, including Mexican Patrol control had done their job well, we wouldnt have neither illegal entrys of people to the USA, neither Mexico will have weapons that use the narcotrafic....

Stop. Stop. Stop. Let's back it up a bit.

If the mothers had done THEIR job (including teaching their children values so they would not sell drugs/kill others) then we would not be having this problem.

I hate the whole "Let's blame others for what we have brought into this world"

If you know you cannot raise a child properly, then don't have a child. If you know you have to work 14+ hours a day and that your children will be joining "Drug families" for companionship, don't have a flock of children.

 

[moburg]

This is one example of the post that I alluded to when I said that members were assuming that the Mexican-American students were the ones threatening violence.

I haven't seen any account that says either side was threatening violence. It was just a Asst. Principle who thought it might provoke violence, and singled out one side for disciplinary action.