Kerry Supporters: Some Consolation

[BuckNaked]

Originally posted by crazyforgoofy
Killing 100,000+ innocent Iraqi civilians to protect us from the wmds = BAD!

Non-partisan link to the 100,000 number, please.

 

[Mom2Em]

Rich,
Back to your questions... I think some people don't care about the concerns of other nations based on a couple of different reasons... First, we take our freedom very strongly... we have never been good at taking "suggestions", never will be... we like to think for ourselves, whether we agree or disagree... Another is America is like a family... you know, we can say whatever we want and it is fine because it is ours, but when others start to bash us, we get defensive... Lastly, there are some that have a hard time getting cut down by different people whose nations are at the same time standing with a hand out...
I am in no way insulting anyone... I am just stating my opinion based on what I have read and heard... Also, keep in mind, we are not the only ones who react this way, this just happens to be an American majority board...

 

[Grumpy Professor]

Originally posted by crazyforgoofy
Killing 100,000+ innocent Iraqi civilians to protect us from the wmds = BAD!

That's an inflated number. Sad, but highly inflated. Don't believe everything you read. We can play this game all day long. The reality is you folks will never admit that any good will come out of removing SH. I think the Iraqi's (and they're fighting for freedom) might feel just a little bit different than you.

 

[bsears]

I love the way people think it matters if the number is inflated. That implies the number is acceptable if it is less than 100 thousand. As though you all had some unspoken number in your head thhat was a fair trade off. Maybe you need to stop and remember for just a minute that these numbers are people...human beings...someone's family member.....someone who was loved as you love your family..........not just a number, whether it is one of ten thousand or one of a hundred thousand. Please stop acting like it is of less significance, or more significance, because of volume.

 

[BuckNaked]

I love the way people think it matters if the number is inflated. That implies the number is acceptable if it is less than 100 thousand. As though you all had some unspoken number in your head thhat was a fair trade off. Maybe you need to stop and remember for just a minute that these numbers are people...human beings...someone's family member.....someone who was loved as you love your family..........not just a number, whether it is one of ten thousand or one of a hundred thousand. Please stop acting like it is of less significance, or more significance, because of volume.

The number is acceptable to me, even if it is 100,000. Sorry, but innocent people die in war. It's a fact of life. I hate it, I hate that it happens, but it is what it is. And if a hundred innocent Iraqis have to die to save a single American soldier, that is a fair trade off as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Microcell]

Originally posted by BuckNaked
The number is acceptable to me, even if it is 100,000. Sorry, but innocent people die in war. It's a fact of life. I hate it, I hate that it happens, but it is what it is. And if a hundred innocent Iraqis have to die to save a single American soldier, that is a fair trade off as far as I'm concerned.

Well said! We didn't start this war, but we will do our best to finish it to our satisfaction and ultimately the world will be better off.

 

[Parkerpooh]

LESS MATH, MORE TALK= INTERESTING!

 

[Geoff_M]

I love the way people think it matters if the number is inflated. That implies the number is acceptable if it is less than 100 thousand.

This demonstrates the practice of a concept known as "lying for justice". Some one makes up a SWAG number and throws it out as "fact". Accuracy doesn't matter because the intention is "good". When someone then questions the accuracy of the figure, they are then labeled as attempting to "minimize" the problem.

 

[Kendra17]

Originally posted by BuckNaked
The number is acceptable to me, even if it is 100,000. Sorry, but innocent people die in war. It's a fact of life. I hate it, I hate that it happens, but it is what it is. And if a hundred innocent Iraqis have to die to save a single American soldier, that is a fair trade off as far as I'm concerned.

I agree. . .and let's not forget that Saddam killed, how many? 300,000. . . more, maybe? So, if we stopped his continuous murder and torture, and succeed in Iraq, many, many lives will have been saved.

 

[crazyforgoofy]

Originally posted by Microcell
Well said! We didn't start this war, but we will do our best to finish it to our satisfaction and ultimately the world will be better off.

What war? The war in Iraq? So you still believe the terrorists who attacked the US were from Iraq. HELLO! NOT!

"We" did attack Iraq. At least 100,000 innocent people have been killed - but hey if you agree with Buck, that's an acceptable number. Tell the families of the "collateral damage" the world is better off.

 

[crazyforgoofy]

Originally posted by Kendra17
I agree. . .and let's not forget that Saddam killed, how many? 300,000. . . more, maybe? So, if we stopped his continuous murder and torture, and succeed in Iraq, many, many lives will have been saved.

So in one year the US has reached a third of his total. I'm so proud.

 

[BuckNaked]

I would still like to see a non-partisan link showing that the 100,000 number is accurate. Is there any such link?

 

[crazyforgoofy]

Originally posted by Geoff_M
This demonstrates the practice of a concept known as "lying for justice". Some one makes up a SWAG number and throws it out as "fact". Accuracy doesn't matter because the intention is "good". When someone then questions the accuracy of the figure, they are then labeled as attempting to "minimize" the problem.

SWAG?
http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99996596

 

[Elwood Blues]

Originally posted by bsears
I love the way people think it matters if the number is inflated. That implies the number is acceptable if it is less than 100 thousand. As though you all had some unspoken number in your head thhat was a fair trade off. Maybe you need to stop and remember for just a minute that these numbers are people...human beings...someone's family member.....someone who was loved as you love your family..........not just a number, whether it is one of ten thousand or one of a hundred thousand. Please stop acting like it is of less significance, or more significance, because of volume.

I agree that they are real people. And I think you're being a bit disingenuous to think that people don't have any sympathy for the loss of innocent lives.

But what is strangely missing is the outrage against SH (and crew) for the 300-500 THOUSAND killed ON PURPOSE.

 

[Geoff_M]

Yes, SWAG...

The number of population clusters chosen for sampling is small; the confidence intervals around the point estimates of mortality are wide; the Falluja cluster has an especially high mortality and so is atypical of the rest of the sample; and there is clearly the potential for recall bias among those interviewed.

So why extrapolate and headline wild guesstimates based on dodgy data? Sheesh!

http://www.junkscience.com/oct04.htm

Translation: That would be like taking the morality figures for NYC in 2001 and applying it to the general US population!

Nicely timed for the election too!

 

[Elwood Blues]

Originally posted by bsears
I love the way people think it matters if the number is inflated. That implies the number is acceptable if it is less than 100 thousand. As though you all had some unspoken number in your head thhat was a fair trade off. Maybe you need to stop and remember for just a minute that these numbers are people...human beings...someone's family member.....someone who was loved as you love your family..........not just a number, whether it is one of ten thousand or one of a hundred thousand. Please stop acting like it is of less significance, or more significance, because of volume.

Seems odd that the impact of terrorism didn't mean much in this country until over 3000 innocents were murdered.

 

[Elwood Blues]

Originally posted by crazyforgoofy
SWAG?
http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99996596

"That estimate excludes Falluja, a hotspot for violence. If the data from this town is included, the study points to about 200,000 excess deaths since the outbreak of war."

Do you believe this too?

 

[Kendra17]

Originally posted by Elwood Blues
You wound me.

(I think I need a tissue)

Oh my, Elwood. . . .those are fightin' words. . . watch out!

 

[crazyforgoofy]

Originally posted by Geoff_M
Yes, SWAG...Translation: That would be like taking the morality figures for NYC in 2001 and applying it to the general US population!

Nicely timed for the election too!

Now your link was definitely NOT biased,huh! Swag, indeed.

 

[crazyforgoofy]

Originally posted by Grumpy Professor
That's an inflated number. Sad, but highly inflated. Don't believe everything you read. We can play this game all day long. The reality is you folks will never admit that any good will come out of removing SH. I think the Iraqi's (and they're fighting for freedom) might feel just a little bit different than you.

So Prof, did you and Kendra attend the same school? You both tend to lecture rather than converse.