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You don't have to be nasty but you certainly can tell her "No, don't come over today because (fill in the blank)." Change the locks if she has a key so she can't just walk in anyway. I lived with my in laws until the day each of them died. We had separate spaces within the house but no real locking door between us. It started out as a way to help DH and I save money (we lived with them), but ended up where we could provide DH's parents with support as they got older (she lived with us). We all respected each other's space but in the very early years MIL was "visiting" unannounced at times and we talked about why this wouldn't work. When my MIL died, we had been living with at least one of DH's parents for 32 years. It can be done, but setting boundaries and holding to them is absolutely necessary. Good luck.
 
Hm... sounds a bit like my mum. And I get migraines, too! :headache:

Here's what I started doing...

"If it bugs you so much, mum, feel free to do it yourself. Vacuum's over there." Then leave the room. (If she actually does the chore, thank her nicely but don't let her guilt you about it - it was her choice!)

"No, mum, I can't have you over right now. I have a migraine and I'm going to lie down." If she comes to the door, tell her again. Step out and close the door behind you while you talk to her. Don't let her in.

"I will deal with this chore, but not today." Don't justify, just state the facts.

Be kind, be direct, be calm, and be firm! Set clear boundaries. Don't let your mom rattle you. My mom often complains about my "stubbornness", but I take it as a compliment.

If she's not used to having you stand up to her, then it may be rough at first. With us, my attempts to set boundaries eventually led to a real blow-up, which left me shaking. See, she came over wanting me to do something (I've forgotten what it was now), and I said no. And she began ragging on me, in front of the kids, talking to me like I was a child myself. I told her to leave my home. She refused. So, I packed up the children and said, "You can let yourself out!" And then we all walked out. Amazingly, she was gone when I got back, and after that she began treating me with more respect.

Standing up for yourself can be hard, but it's always worth it in the end. If it helps, think about the example you're setting for your kids.

Good luck!
 
Remember, as with kids, their are boundaries for adults as well. Even parents. I hope your eye feels better. Is their something your eye Dr. can recommend for your issue? I will keep you in my prayers...
 

OP, I think you are my long lost sibling. Believe it or not my mom is worse than that.
I have SO many stories I don't share because they sound too unbelievable to be true but my husband and kids know the truth.

I think I'm in this family too! Mine does similar things - but the best one is if we let her know we are in the area - she'll come up with a list of things we need to do for her, even if we aren't planning on stopping by. If we let her know more than an hour ahead of time that we'd like to visit, she has the entire day wrapped up with work for us to do. We do go down there to help, but it's constant - no matter how much we do, there's more to be done. Last time she came to my house, she started cleaning out the toaster oven. Without unplugging it first... Or the time she tried to flush cat litter down the toilet? I love her dearly, but she doesn't take no for an answer very well. I've become very secretive and detached because she is so overbearing.
 
My mom was like that to an extent. She really just wanted to help but she wanted to do it on her terms. So, she would decide, for instance that she was going to help me give my house a good cleaning (her house, you could eat off the floor or the toilet seat, mine had kids in it so not so much). So she would show up with her cleaning tools in hand. But it might be a day that one of the kids was sick all night or I had a migraine or something was truly preventing me from cleaning that day. After my arguing fell on deaf ears enough, my Dad gave me some advice "just let her do it". So I did. I nursed my migraine or took care of the sick kid or whatever and let her clean to her heart's content. Sometimes I actually left and went and took care of whatever things I had to take care of that day and let her clean. She was happy and so was I. On days that there was nothing really stopping me, I just sighed and jumped into the cleaning with her.
Not sure that would work with your mom but it did with mine.

The coming in yelling while your dh is asleep needs to be stopped in the moment. Like "MOM! Shut up! Dh is sleeping!" Or meet her outside the door to stop it in advance. (of course, I understand why you couldn't do it this time).

I would not jump up and clean when I knew she was coming. If she is like my mom, she is going to find something to fuss about anyway. She would fuss, and I would just agree with her and let it roll right off my back.

Now all of this is entirely dependent on what kind of relationship you want going forward. If you want your Mom and to continue to have a good relationship, you just may have to accept her the way she is and figure out how to stay sane around it like I did. If you really want to just be away from it, then cut her off. If you think that setting boundaries will work and the relationship stay on good terms, then do that.
 
Has your mom always been this domineering? She is clearly overstepping boundaries and sounds like a control freak. She could use a therapist and some hobbies.

However, you are allowing the situation to perpetuate. As Ann Landers used to say, "No one can take advantage of you without your permission." You must be assertive and stand your ground as an adult, even if it hurts her feelings. If she truly cares about you and (sadly maybe moreso) her relationship with her grandchildren, she will listen and back off.

PS: Just a thought... I would wear glasses if contacts were not appropriate for me or caused physical effects/damage to my eyes.

Absolutely, this was my thought as well. The condition you describe with your eyes is not normal. You are either not wearing/caring for the lenses properly or they are just not suitable for you. If it's been going on for years, you may be causing permanent damage to your eyes/vision. Please see an ophthalmologist.
 
Does she not remember what I was like to have babies & tots at home ?

To me, in my opinion, she sounds like she is really bored and is needing to be needed. I know the feeling of having to crisis clean before a sinking knock on the door. I used to be just the same as you, hurrying to clean up as much as I could tame in 10 minutes. Then my mother reminded me of a story she once told me, of how her mother would promise to come over and help when we were babies. In her mothers eyes, coming over to hold the babies while she did housework was helping. o_O She told me how badly she wished her mom would realize that what would have been actual help was if her mom offered to watch the baby so she could take a nice long shower, let herself sit and hold the baby & her mom help with the housework.

I always kept that with me, whenever unwanted company was around, I would just look at them and say - Oh, I'm glad your here to help me fold this ginormous pile of socks, or thank you for coming over so I can have a break, the bottles in the fridge, I'll be in the shower.

In your case, Id be inclined to say - take the kids outside while I lay down with hubby for 45 mins, I'll set a timer to come back down in an hour.
 
The car thing would drive me up a wall too. "My car, my rules. Respectfully, Mom...let it go!" :music:

My first thought when she offered to come over because of your eyes, though, was to let her. I wouldn't have cleaned for her - I would have let her do dishes, vacuuming, etc. (but locked the car, because you don't want her sorting through stuff.)
 
I think you're going to have to be very blunt with Mom, not just with words but with your actions. "Mom, you can't come over right now. I have an eye problems and DH is sleeping. Talk to you later." If she still comes over, do not answer the door. Period. Mom sounds like a small child who always wants her way, and I would use the same behavior modification techniques that we use with kids: Use as few words as possible (no lengthy explanations, just say, "No. Not now."). Always follow through on what you said (if you said she can't come over, do not let her in). Expect her behavior to get worse before it gets better (she will test the boundaries you set). Suggest alternative, positive behavior ("No, we're not cleaning the van. Hey, do you want to meet for lunch and then help me shop for a wedding gift?"). Give praise for positive behavior ("Isn't it nicer to shop and have lunch together than to worry about my messy van? We should do this more often."). It sounds like she wants attention but doesn't know how to gain it in a positive way (very much like a small child). Stand your ground when she's being inappropriate and suggest alternate ways you can spend time with her.
 
You need to understand that as an adult you are entitled to live your life with a messy van if that's what you want to do. Her comments would honestly just push me over the edge.

I hope you find the strength to stand up to your mom soon. Appeasing her and "going along to get along" is really the worst thing you can do.
 
You need to understand that as an adult you are entitled to live your life with a messy van if that's what you want to do. Her comments would honestly just push me over the edge.

My whole childhood every argument with my parents ended with "well when you grow up and have your own house you can keep it as messy as you want/not make your bed/play your music as loudly as you want/watch tv all night/eat cookies for breakfast, but while you're in our house"..... I would have been pissed to grow up and find out it wasn't true. Lol
 
My whole childhood every argument with my parents ended with "well when you grow up and have your own house you can keep it as messy as you want/not make your bed/play your music as loudly as you want/watch tv all night/eat cookies for breakfast, but while you're in our house"..... I would have been pissed to grow up and find out it wasn't true. Lol
Amen to that! :thumbsup2 and :laughing:
 
Thank you everyone for your advice and kind words. In regards to my eye, it is doing better now and I should be able to wear contacts again tomorrow. I understand the logic that if contacts cause issues, then I should use glasses. Unfortunately, I seem to have more issues with glasses as they don't fully correct my vision the way contacts do. I have astigmatism and photophobia and wearing contacts actually improves my vision over glasses and allows me to wear sunglasses when needed (which is anytime I walk out the door). I tried the photochromic glasses but found that they don't adjust at the level of light that I need them to. The goal is to eventually get lasik or PRK, I just have to wait for my prescription to stop changing. Ironically, my vision and prescription have both improved since switching from glasses to contacts.

In regards to my mom, I know I need to be more assertive with her. It's funny, because I'm actually very assertive with everyone/everything else in my life. My weakness is definitely when it directly concerns just her and I. I've had no reservations about putting my foot down when it came to her saying/doing things concerning the kids or DH, but I have a harder time being as forceful when standing up for myself to her. For the record, I didn't let her in, she let herself in. The door wasn't locked, but since she knew I was home, I just don't feel comfortable locking the door and refusing to answer. Normally, I would just hop in the car and take off, but since I couldn't see, driving was out of the question.

I do think as a PP mentioned that she does want attention and is afraid of being alone. She never remarried and my younger brother (the only one living at home) graduates next year. She and my older brother have a very strained relationship as he has taken the route of mostly cutting her out of his life. I don't want to do that. She is great with my kids and is always there when I do need and ask for it. She's just not understanding of personal space and never has been. I'll admit, I'm overly protective of my personal space. It's not like I'm trying to hide a meth lab in my basement or anything, I just don't like people invading my space or touching my stuff (even if it's to clean).

There is definitely a fine line you have to walk when dealing with my mom though. She has some... let's call them "issues" that she refuses to acknowledge or get help for that affect her mood and ability to see things rationally. She often perceives someone not agreeing with her as that person actually attacking her and her memory of how things occurred becomes twisted into some nefarious Lifetime movie-style encounter that is drastically different from reality. I know it's not her fault. It does make it difficult to set boundaries or explain differing opinions though when it's hard to know how she will react. I know I need to figure out a way to do so before it spirals out of control.

Again, thank you everyone for your opinions. It has given me a lot to think about.
 
For the record, I didn't let her in, she let herself in. The door wasn't locked, but since she knew I was home, I just don't feel comfortable locking the door and refusing to answer. Normally, I would just hop in the car and take off, but since I couldn't see, driving was out of the question.
It doesn't matter if you didn't let her in. You might as well have. Seriously. Set some boundaries. Some that don't involve leaving home to avoid her.

You don't need to lock her out. You need to just have a chat and say "Hey, we talked about it and from now on we need you to call before coming over and knock wait for us to come to the door. Because that's just nuts.

Please read back over what you just wrote. She's intruding way too much and will continue to do so until you do something about it.
 
One of my coworkers has disconnected her doorbell and won't answer if someone knocks when they are not wanted.

Lock your doors. Next time she calls and invites herself over when she is not wanted tell her the door will be locked. You are allowing her to walk on you. You need to stop letting her.
 
My whole childhood every argument with my parents ended with "well when you grow up and have your own house you can keep it as messy as you want/not make your bed/play your music as loudly as you want/watch tv all night/eat cookies for breakfast, but while you're in our house"..... I would have been pissed to grow up and find out it wasn't true. Lol

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:
 
There is definitely a fine line you have to walk when dealing with my mom though. She has some... let's call them "issues" that she refuses to acknowledge or get help for that affect her mood and ability to see things rationally. She often perceives someone not agreeing with her as that person actually attacking her and her memory of how things occurred becomes twisted into some nefarious Lifetime movie-style encounter that is drastically different from reality. I know it's not her fault. It does make it difficult to set boundaries or explain differing opinions though when it's hard to know how she will react. I know I need to figure out a way to do so before it spirals out of control.

Again, thank you everyone for your opinions. It has given me a lot to think about.
Your mother doesn't happen to post on this board, does she? :magnify::scratchin
 
You mentioned that you are usually are more assertive... But can't be with your mom.
You mention that you can be assertive when it comes to your DH and your children.
You should be aware that this IS definitely affecting your DH and your children.
You might feel that this is true, and wish it is so...
But in the very examples that you have given here, your DH and your kids have been involved/affected.

I know that these issues are very emotional and complex!!!!
But, realizing that you need to do more to address them might be the first step!

PS: Yes, constantly wearing contacts can have a short-term semi-permanent effect on vision. That constant pressure and moulding/shaping does have some affect the eye, and it takes time for the eye to return to it's normal shape and vision. Before you have any vision correction surgery, you should be required to go without wearing contacts for up to two weeks ( i think ), to account for that. At least this is what I understand... My DH recently had cataract and vision correction... This is what we were told. You don't want to wear contacts before the procedure, and then the eyes to keep adjusting, returning to their true normal, shape, throwing off the result.
 
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I'm getting so frustrated with how my mother never seems to respect my wishes then gets angry with me after she ignores what I say and I finally have to insist that she not do said thing.

A little bit ago, she texts me and asks if j want to come over so she can help me clean my van. She's been harping at me for the last couple of weeks about cleaning it (even though she is never in my van), and it's not really that bad anyway. I have some paperwork, doctors info and stuff like that (some of which I keep in there because I need it for appointments), and some scattered crumbs on the floor. I have a 7 year old and a toddler, they eat snacks in the car- it happens. I do vacuum my van periodically, but frankly, it's not a high priority on my list because I have far more important things to do most of the time, and honestly, there will be more crumbs on the floor within a day of me vacuuming. Did I mention I have kids? I've been telling my mom I will get around to it when I have time and feel like it and (politely) to leave me alone about it. She of course doesn't listen and nags me incessantly.

So she texts and asks if I want to come over and clean out my van. I tell her not today, and I will clean it out on my own. I don't need to go over to her house to do it. She texts back asking when and I reply that I don't know. She then asks what I'm doing today. I text back that I'm not doing anything because I can't see since my eye is badly irritated, swollen, and hurts. At the time I was actually laying down on the couch with a thin ice pack over my eye and sunglasses on. This happens every few months with my contacts, has for years, and only time will make it better. So anyway, she then texts, "good, you can't see so you can't drive. You're home. Headed there." I reply, "wait, what? To my house? Now? Can we just do something another time? I can't see, I'm in pain, and would really like to just lay here in the dark." She responds, "we can still plan something. On my way," I reply that I really just want to be left alone, and she doesn't respond.

So, I have to get up and start cleaning the house because even though it's not bad by normal people's standards, she always finds something to nitpick and won't let it go EVER. So I'm going around literally walking into walls because I can't see, trying to pick up stuff that I can barely see. She gets here within 20 minutes, starts shouting as she walks in that she's here. Meanwhile, she knows that my husband who works nights is upstairs sleeping. She has a loud voice that carries anyway, and when she yells, you can hear her a block away. My brain rattles in my head from her yelling because I have a massive headache from the eye pain coupled with straining to see to clean the house up while she was headed here.

She then proceeds to LOUDLY say, "Man, you really need to do your dishes" (it was just from last night and they were soaking). And "God, it's so dark in here" as she rips back the curtains and turns on the lights. Meanwhile, I'm about to scream because even though I'm wearing sunglasses, the light pierces through my skull like lightning. She then asks if I have an extension cord. I tell her probably somewhere out in the garage but im not sure where. She tells me to go get it and she is going to clean out my car. I tell her no, I will do it when I get around to it, and it's not going to be right now. This goes back and forth for a while as I'm explaining to her that I don't even know where the extension cord is, I don't want to go out in the garage where it's really bright (we have a million windows in our garage), and rustle around in the dust when I can't see and likely get dust and dirt in my eye which would aggravate it more. I also explain to her that I have papers and stuff in my car that I don't want her messing with and it's my mess anyway, so I will clean it all up. Just not today. I thanked her for her offer profusely, but said that I would take care of it. Finally, she says, "Most people would love it if someone wanted to do this for them, but you can't appreciate anything," and stalks out.

I understand that it's nice of her to offer and I appreciate it (and I told her that repeatedly), but at the same time, I feel I should have a right to tell people no. I had very valid reasons for not wanting her to do it, and frankly for not even wanting her to come over, and I feel like my wishes should be respected. I feel like there's no boundaries sometimes with her, and she gets not upset, but ANGRY, when I stand my ground on things. It also frustrated me that I can be in obvious physical pain and she is so oblivious to how her actions (yelling, turning on lights) actually make that pain worse.

Again, I appreciate that she wants to help, but sometimes people need to understand "no" without taking it personally.


My response to her "Mom you need to leave !"
 


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