just bought into the DVC lots of questions

[eliza61]

May I suggest (I'm trying to be nicer) that we all kiss and make up and get back to DVC issues, rumors, and sharing info that will enhance our Disney and DVC experience/ownership.

Bill

emem


I'm in. I too need to remember this really is about the "happiest place on the planet".

Thanks

 

[Andyman33]

just think -- its middle of winter -- we should all be here instead

 

[TiggerBouncy]

May I suggest (I'm trying to be nicer) that we all kiss and make up and get back to DVC issues, rumors, and sharing info that will enhance our Disney and DVC experience/ownership.

Bill

Hear, Hear!

 

[Sammie]

everyone so worried about feelings these days. now we have to worry about HOW we give advice?
bill your advice was spot on....

I have no idea what your job experience is but mine is very much in marketing. There is always a better way to deliver a message where it is more likely to be positively received. Disney are masters at it.

So no if you don't want anyone to listen to your advice, you don't need to ever give a thought as to the delivery.

However if you truly are, and I feel you would be, trying to help, then yes, delivery matters.

Why share good advice if you have run off your audience. Because then you truly are only talking to yourself.

 

[disneynutz]

just think -- its middle of winter -- we should all be here instead

Clown pool, CLOWN POOL!

Bill

 

[Airb330]

Guess I'll jump in because I see both sides.

1). Without this board and some of the people in this thread, my husband and I wouldn't have bought DVC. Let alone resale in 2012. We just would have assumed timeshare=bad. We bought AKV at $68 in 2012 after about 3-6 months of reading this board extensively. We saved a ton versus direct! But my point here is two fold, this board convinced us to a) buy but also b) buy resale.

2) We did catch add-on-itis in 2014 and bought VGF direct. Was it as cheap as $68, heck no. But again, due to this board, I figured out 50 points would work for us. When I amortize out the $ upfront, the maintenance fees, and the years left I do find AKV to be cheaper but VGF isn't as terrible on a per-night basis as you'd think:
$7.81 per point for our re-sale AKV contract. So a 10 point a night room cost us $70.81 last in 2014.
$8.42 per point for our direct VGF contract. So a 10 point a night room cost us $84.20 in 2014. (Can't seem to find my #s for last year, it is come here there in my spreadsheet! Haven't bothered for 2016 yet)

3)So yeah, re-sale can save you a lot, especially upfront. And the people here mean well when they tell people about it. Many don't know resale is an option!

4) But...you also can still save money with DVC even at $150 direct.

5) Some folks here on both sides get passionate about it. In the end, we are all trying to be helpful. We are passionate about saving money and Disney I suppose!

6) In the end, we all should accept whatever decision they make.

Since I've bought direct and resale I definitely see both sides. I'm glad my large purchase was resale, and I don't regret buying direct for VGF since it was the only way to buy it and if you look up in #2, we still overall save a lot of money compared to paying cash rates. It's just funny that the argument, if we can even call it that, over resale vs. direct still creeps up so often.

 

[sgtdisney]

This thread is like watching Inside Out. Lots of Joy, Sadness, but also Anger and Disgust.

 

[DisDadDVC]

Guess I'll jump in because I see both sides.

1). Without this board and some of the people in this thread, my husband and I wouldn't have bought DVC. Let alone resale in 2012. We just would have assumed timeshare=bad. We bought AKV at $68 in 2012 after about 3-6 months of reading this board extensively. We saved a ton versus direct! But my point here is two fold, this board convinced us to 1) buy but also 2) buy resale.

2) We did catch add-on-itis in 2014 and bought VGF direct. Was it as cheap as $68, heck no. But again, due to this board, I figured out 50 points would work for us. When I amortize out the $ upfront, the maintenance fees, and the years left I do find AKV to be cheaper but VGF isn't as terrible on a per-night basis as you'd think:
$7.81 per point for our re-sale AKV contract. So a 10 point a night room cost us $70.81 last year.
$8.42 per point for out direct VGF contract. So a 10 point a night room cost us $84.20 last year.

3)So yeah, re-sale can save you a lot, especially upfront. And the people here mean well when they tell people about it. Many don't know resale is an option!

4) But...you also can still save money with DVC even at $150 direct.

5) Some folks here on both sides get passionate about it. In the end, we are all trying to be helpful. We are passionate about saving money and Disney I suppose!

6) In the end, we all should accept whatever decision they make.

Since I've bought direct and resale I definitely see both sides. I'm glad my large purchase was resale, and I don't regret buying direct for VGF since it was the only way to buy it and if you look up in #2, we still overall save a lot of money compared to paying cash rates. It's just funny that the argument, if we can even call it that, over resale vs. direct still creeps up so often.

The discussion in this thread wasn't even really direct vs resale. I don't think anyone criticized the OP for buying direct. The advice was geared more towards understanding what it means to own DVC at all. Home resort, 7 and 11 month windows, rooms sizes at each DVC, etc. There is nothing wrong with buying direct at all. But DVC only pushes the active resorts. And if someone REALLY want to stay at say VGF, but they will only sell them PVB, then they might be better off looking into waitlists etc.

 

[Airb330]

The discussion in this thread wasn't even really direct vs resale. I don't think anyone criticized the OP for buying direct. The advice was geared more towards understanding what it means to own DVC at all. Home resort, 7 and 11 month windows, rooms sizes at each DVC, etc. There is nothing wrong with buying direct at all. But DVC only pushes the active resorts. And if someone REALLY want to stay at say VGF, but they will only sell them PVB, then they might be better off looking into waitlists etc.

No, it wasn't but the thread seemed to veer into direct vs resale by proxy. But yes, we all should do our due diligence before a large purchase like DVC. Everyone seemed to have good intentions as far as I can see.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

But honestly I am more willing to take advice from someone who sounds friendly and says "oh... Did you know about this option?" than I am to take advise from someone who says "You clearly didn't bother to learn about what you purchased. return it and go buy a book".

And I'm more willing to consider intent - rather than tone because it's just impossible to get from writing unless perhaps you're reading a novel. And you won't have many left reading if that's what you do here - I think I ramble on too long too often. But, never did I see a single post in this thread directed towards the OP that I thought had poor intentions. Trying to direct the conversation or styles of people will not be much better than trying to herd cats. But, one can learn some things that way too because you often don't know that you don't know until you learn it. I'm a listener though and like information. I may not always like the message but I'm a grown up and can take it. Usually.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

Clown pool, CLOWN POOL!

Bill

I always imagine the sly chuckles of whoever came up with that design!

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

Thanks for the GREAT info. Trying to find some resale points now - during my search I saw someone listed a specific week at GF.

Yes, there have already been a few of the fixed week re-sold.

 

[Andyman33]

I have no idea what your job experience is but mine is very much in marketing. There is always a better way to deliver a message where it is more likely to be positively received. Disney are masters at it.

So no if you don't want anyone to listen to your advice, you don't need to ever give a thought as to the delivery.

However if you truly are, and I feel you would be, trying to help, then yes, delivery matters.

Why share good advice if you have run off your audience. Because then you truly are only talking to yourself.

Sure at work you can consider marketing and a positive message. I'm a physician and how you say something there means a lot. To bring those same skills here is ridiculous. It's a message board and there is no tone behind any post. The tone is brought into MOST message by the reader and only the reader

 

[Sammie]

Sure at work you can consider marketing and a positive message. I'm a physician and how you say something there means a lot. To bring those same skills here is ridiculous. It's a message board and there is no tone behind any post. The tone is brought into MOST message by the reader and only the reader

Again we will have disagree. I think tone here is extremely important.

I was not the only one that thought tone was important in this discussion and very obvious.

http://literarydevices.net/tone/ A great article on tone in the written word.

Every written piece comprises a central subject matter. The manner in which a writer approaches this theme and subject is the tone. The tone can be formal, informal, serious, comic, sarcastic, sad, and cheerful or it may be any other existing attitudes.

In fact I think tone is more important in the written word than the spoken word as you have no facial expression to go with it.

Like Bill, I think we have beat this poor horse way past death.

 

[TiggerBouncy]

And I'm more willing to consider intent - rather than tone because it's just impossible to get from writing unless perhaps you're reading a novel. And you won't have many left reading if that's what you do here - I think I ramble on too long too often. But, never did I see a single post in this thread directed towards the OP that I thought had poor intentions. Trying to direct the conversation or styles of people will not be much better than trying to herd cats. But, one can learn some things that way too because you often don't know that you don't know until you learn it. I'm a listener though and like information. I may not always like the message but I'm a grown up and can take it. Usually.

that's you though. And that's great that you are like that. Are you planning on only talking to yourself? Or do you want your message to get through to other people? If your intent is to communicate with yourself and purely others like you, then fine - use whatever tone you want.

If you are not typing merely for the purpose of seeing your own words and making your post count grow higher, then you should consider the audience. I won't bore you with link after link of research articles, but lets just say there is a preponderance of evidence that the majority of people are more likely to take advice from people they perceive as friendly.

 

[SleighBelle]

Like Bill, I think we have beat this poor horse way past death.

And yet, I'm still fascinated by this thread. . .

 

[TiggerBouncy]

And yet, I'm still fascinated by this thread. . .

It's human nature. it's the same reason we stop and stare at car crashes on the highway (causing even more miserable delays), or why Jerry Springer is so popular.

 

[lorenni]

Clown pool, CLOWN POOL!

Bill

At the risk of turning this into a BWV thread, neither I nor my child will EVER come out of the mouth of that clown. Creepy creepy clown pool.

 

[ajc]

I just bought a second contract on resale market via The Timeshare Store and saved a ton of money (paid cash for vero beach). I did that because we never go at peak and the price per point was $60; yes, I know that the annual dues are higher but I am fine with that.
The resale market is the way to go and look for a fully loaded contract ( banked points and all).
Oh yeah, congratulations; I bought from DVC at AKL and I don't regret it. I learned a lot and got some good info with the booklets. ENJOY!

 

[gdrj]

Weird - Bought at GF and was never offered that option.

The guides do not usually volunteer this info. They just want to get the sale done and don't want to add in any confusion. The less you know the better as far as they are concerned.

I disagree that "less you know the better". Another reason may be that based on conversation with prospective buyer, that they vacation at different times of the year, they typically visit for 3 or 4 days, they vacation during non-peak DVC times, they wanted a certain amount of points and were on a tight budget. There can and are a number of reasons to not review fixed weeks. Also a possibility (not saying it is in this case), that it is brought up but dismissed quickly. A guide may just say "if you are interested in vacationing the same week every year, it can be gtd for at additional cost", which most owners might quickly dismiss.