Just back Tour Groups, EVC's and Strollers

I can agree with this. My problem is the lumping everyone with a larger stroller into one category. Who is to decide whether or not the families needs are legit or if they are space hoggers? The point is that those with larger strollers are not breaking any rules by being on the bus. IF someone doesn't want to ride the bus with the large stroller they have the option to wait for another bus or to rent a car, drive etc. I'm by no means saying they HAVE to rent a car just that it is an option if this bothers them so badly. I remember our first trip using a small umbrella stroller for DD #1. We thought we had hit the jackpot! But alas came along DS, so we bought the lightweight double. That was great too for a few years, but along came DD #2 and DD#1 isn't as small and our needs have changed. Trust me, the few times we do use a bus with our large stroller if it is packed, we wait. It isn't fun for me either to have to try to get onto a packed bus with one.

Well, I see your point but I do think one way to gauge whether a huge stroller is reasonable is how many people it serves. :) The triplet stroller I mentioned takes up X space for 3 kids. If someone is taking up that much real estate for 1 kid, chances are they've fallen into self-centered conspicuous consumption and could really downsize.
 
Original poster: So nice of you to provide an evaluation of the legitimacy of the ECV users that were there during your trip. May I ask why you felt the need to do this? Did you feel that people were waiting on pins and needles to see how many loathsome lazy people were abusing the privilege of using ECVs? And just what criteria did you plan to use to evaluate whether or not the ECV users were 'legitimate'?

I'm 52, but look younger (I hope considerably younger). I'm not thin, but I'm not huge, either. I look fit enough to walk, certainly. I dress well, and don't look ill. However, Sjogren's Disease has caused me to suffer from fatigue, incredible muscle and joint pain, and now, has caused my kidneys to start to fail, which brings with it even more symptoms. I also have hypermobility syndrome, and my rheumatologist says I have fibromyalgia. I have arthritis so bad that I have had bones removed from both of my thumbs - otherwise, I wouldn't be able to type this diatribe.

So, if you looked at me on my ECV, your evaluation would probably have been that I didn't need to use one. You would decide that I'm just lazy. You would see no handicap. I would probably be laughing and joking with my walking husband, despite the fact that we've just found out about the kidney thing and we're scared to death. We can't do anything about it at this point, we're still waiting to learn more from the docs, and I'm not going to live my life like a dying person – I'm going to live my life like a living person for just as long as I'm alive. Hopefully that will be for quite a few more years. Heck, by the time things get really bad, maybe I'll luck up and get a kidney from some marvelous organ donor. The point is that it's not up to you or anyone else to judge the legitimacy of someone using an ECV. You can't judge by age, or by what the person looks like. "You can't tell by looking."

The same goes for strollers. There are people that use strollers in lieu of wheelchairs. They don't need me to defend them, and I don't have kids, so I won't say much. But people generally make the choices that they make for a reason. If they're not breaking any rules, then leave them alone and go back to enjoying your vacation. Stop stewing over things that aren't worth getting all worked up over. The bus ride back to your resort or over to the park is such a small part of a Disney vacation. Survive it and focus on the bigger picture.

I'm sorry you have to wait while they load my ECV onto the bus, but I can't make it go any faster. I'm sure the bigger stroller people wish that, at the moment that their stroller seems to be taking up the aisle (yes, really, the word aisle is spelled that way), that they could make it shrink, but for whatever reason the bigger stroller works better for them than a smaller stroller or a Disney rental. Regardless, you will get to the park, or you'll get to your resort. Please stop making hateful remarks that you know I can hear (or they can hear). Hurting my feelings over and over won't change anything. It just makes you mean, and most of the time, even though I shouldn't give in to it, it makes me cry. I'm so self conscious about the damned ECV anyway, and I hate making everyone wait while they load it, and people make comments all day long, so it doesn't take much for me to start. I hope the stroller people don't feel that way too.




Anybody staying at a Disney resort should feel like they have the option to use the busses as long as they are following the transportation guidelines. I will not be chased off of the bus, nor should anyone else.


I'd still like to sway people's opinions. I'd like people to enlarge their minds a little and consider that perhaps their way isn't the only way, and that what they think might not always be the absolute truth. Maybe that fellow on the ECV needs to use it. Maybe that lady with the larger stroller has it for a reason. Just maybe. :lovestruc

No just pointed it out because so many on here complain about ECV's and the legitimacy of their users. I was just simply stating that all I saw were 90 year old grandmas using them who could have out done me in the park walking for all I know and so maybe they are not as widely as absued as some claim. SO jump down there off your high horse and quit justifying your use for an EVC because I could really care less about them because they fit nicely into a space on bus and do not take up any additional room on the bus.
 
It's like a train wreck. You just can't help but "look." These threads never cease to amaze - OMG the debating!!! Yes, strollers have gotten bigger over the years and yes, MANY people that use them are responsible stroller drivers. But there are still some that use them as battering rams. Now that my kids are of walking age, I just try to keep out of the way of the strollers. They don't bother me either way...

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No one is forced to use the Disney busses to get around. I have yet to see Mickey strong-arming anyone onto a bus, while they screamed "No No". If you don't like the busses, how they run, how people are put onto them, or the fact that you will end up sharing a space with big strollers and ecvs, then don't use the busses. But don't expect other people to conform to someone's random idea of what is and isn't allowable on the busses.

Disney has the only thoughts that matter on this one. As long as you are within their guidelines, then bring whatever you want on to the busses. If someone else has a problem, it is THEIR problem. If they are miserable on the busses sharing space with parents with strollers and ecvs, yet the continue to use the busses, they only have themselves to blame. It is easy enought to rent a car or use a taxi to get around WDW.
 
Or, even better, choose a resort where you won't have that kind of problems. We found out that CSR seems to attract more adults and families with older children. Probably because of the size of the resort and because of the fact that it has a convention center, which makes it not very small-child friendly.
Thus, very few - if any - wagons, sorry, strollers on those buses.

And we get to enjoy what we are paying for as Disney World Resort guests. Maybe Disney should change the wording on their website and make it "Make your way around Walt Disney World Resort with complimentary transportation like monorails, ferryboats and motorcoaches throughout - unless you object to repeatedly being crushed or hit in the legs/back/head by gigantic strollers, in that case NO BUS FOR YOU!"
 
Or, even better, choose a resort where you won't have that kind of problems. We found out that CSR seems to attract more adults and families with older children. Probably because of the size of the resort and because of the fact that it has a convention center, which makes it not very small-child friendly.
Thus, very few - if any - wagons, sorry, strollers on those buses.

And we get to enjoy what we are paying for as Disney World Resort guests. Maybe Disney should change the wording on their website and make it "Make your way around Walt Disney World Resort with complimentary transportation like monorails, ferryboats and motorcoaches throughout - unless you object to repeatedly being crushed or hit in the legs/back/head by gigantic strollers, in that case NO BUS FOR YOU!"

I haven't seen anything from Disney stating the busses will be stroller free. If you are making that assumption, then your grief is your own fault. WDW attracts lots of families. They, and the stuff they use, should be expected on Disney transportation.
 
Well, I have twins so my options are rather limited. I choose not to take the buses, mainly because of rude people who think that we don't belong there with our stroller. I didn't always have children. I rode Disney buses and had unpleasant experiences with people that had no strollers. I had very large obese people crammed next to me, people who carried more bags than I ever thought physically possible pushing up against me, and worst of all, tween aged children who almost pushed me down because they were trying to push their way past everyone getting off the bus (I was pregnant with my boys then, obviously pregnant). Also, some of the smaller strollers have very low weight limits. Sorry that some peoples lives are affected so much by strollers. I truly don't get it.

I really can't believe that just slipped on thru here with no comments.

I think I'll just sit back with my Honey Pot and see where this goes. ;)
 
I haven't seen anything from Disney stating the busses will be stroller free. If you are making that assumption, then your grief is your own fault. WDW attracts lots of families. They, and the stuff they use, should be expected on Disney transportation.

Not one person on this thread has ever said that they expected buses to be stroller-free. It's Disney. Of course there's going to be strollers.
The issue is strollers that are SO big that they can't be folded properly without falling over people or/and taking so much space that other guests can't even walk into the aisle(s).
At least ECVs are secured and can't fall or budge. I wish Disney buses would have an area where people could store their strollers for the duration of the trip - would be easier for everybody including the parents.

I really can't believe that just slipped on thru here with no comments.

Well actually I've been dying to ask where I could find some really small obese persons.
 
Not one person on this thread has ever said that they expected buses to be stroller-free. It's Disney. Of course there's going to be strollers.
The issue is strollers that are SO big that they can't be folded properly without falling over people or/and taking so much space that other guests can't even walk into the aisle(s).
At least ECVs are secured and can't fall or budge. I wish Disney buses would have an area where people could store their strollers for the duration of the trip - would be easier for everybody including the parents.



Well actually I've been dying to ask where I could find some really small obese persons.

:thumbsup2 That would defintley be a win win for all involved!
 
Not one person on this thread has ever said that they expected buses to be stroller-free. It's Disney. Of course there's going to be strollers.
The issue is strollers that are SO big that they can't be folded properly without falling over people or/and taking so much space that other guests can't even walk into the aisle(s).
At least ECVs are secured and can't fall or budge. I wish Disney buses would have an area where people could store their strollers for the duration of the trip - would be easier for everybody including the parents.

If Disney handled the storage of strollers the way they handle the luggage on the DME busses, it would be a pain for everyone. They make you wait on the bus until they have all of the luggage out of the bottom, so that you are not whacked by the part of the bus that opens, and so you don't walk into it. I can't see anyone being happy to have to wait on the bus until the strollers and unloaded. Or having to dig for your own stroller, and hoping someone else doesn't get confused and take yours by accident.

I don't see Disney ever changing how they handle strollers on busses. They already have a size limit. If the strollers bother you so much the only thing you can do is avoid the busses.
 
You know what ? They don't really bother me that much. I'm a klutz by nature. Heck, I actually fell on a coat rack a few days ago and got the darn thing "bruised" onto my leg - hooks and all. So getting hit a few times a night by a stroller is not going to ruin my vacation.

When I mentioned having an area to store strollers I didn't mean an area under the bus, I meant some sort of "cage" like they have on some of the buses that go to airports and that people use to store their luggage. You can still see it, and you just pick it up yourself on your way out.
 
I really can't believe that just slipped on thru here with no comments.

I think I'll just sit back with my Honey Pot and see where this goes. ;)

Probably not the most thought out thing I have ever written but the point I was attempting to make is that all sorts of items and people block the ailses. So yes, we have all seen very pooh sized people who's stature blocks the ailse. And know what, that's ok because the buses are for everyone. They're for the woman who is carrying 6 different bags that are hitting people in the head when she stands in the ailse. Its a short ride. If it bothers you that much don't ride. There are some rude folks out there, no doubt. But most people are just trying to do the best they can and in defense of us with stroller aged children, after a day at WDW, sometimes your brain is a little mushy.

Btw, I have a new stroller that I bought for our trip in December. Its a double maclaren and even folded to what I believe is a small size for a double, I do believe that any averaged sized adult holding it would still block the ailse. DH is a bit pooh sized and I know he would. We'll probably drive mostly so for you stroller haters, no worries.
 
I'd still like to sway people's opinions. I'd like people to enlarge their minds a little and consider that perhaps their way isn't the only way, and that what they think might not always be the absolute truth. Maybe that fellow on the ECV needs to use it. Maybe that lady with the larger stroller has it for a reason. Just maybe. :lovestruc

Okay, but why? Why is it hard for people to understand that some people find rolling nurseries for a single child that blocks the aisle to additional seats on a bus rude? Why can't that be rude? Why does that person's way of thinking need to be changed? Why can't mega stroller family move to the back of the bus, out of the way? Why can't I consider it rude to have a stroller run into me and have the pusher of said stroller not even say, I'm sorry? :confused3
 
You know what ? They don't really bother me that much. I'm a klutz by nature. Heck, I actually fell on a coat rack a few days ago and got the darn thing "bruised" onto my leg - hooks and all. So getting hit a few times a night by a stroller is not going to ruin my vacation.

When I mentioned having an area to store strollers I didn't mean an area under the bus, I meant some sort of "cage" like they have on some of the buses that go to airports and that people use to store their luggage. You can still see it, and you just pick it up yourself on your way out.

I would have no issue with that and think it is a good idea but by the time you put that and a place for ecv's there wouldn't be too much other space on the bus.
 
I would have no issue with that and think it is a good idea but by the time you put that and a place for ecv's there wouldn't be too much other space on the bus.

Whenever I've seen those on buses they are right behind the driver's seat, so it would only require them to take out a couple rows of seats at most. So yep that means it would take some space but at least parents wouldn't have to hang on to that stroller for dear life all the way back to the resort, and other people wouldn't be tripping over them.

I'm not holding my breath though, didn't Disney replace all buses a couple years back ?
 
Okay, but why? Why is it hard for people to understand that some people find rolling nurseries for a single child that blocks the aisle to additional seats on a bus rude? Why can't that be rude? Why does that person's way of thinking need to be changed? Why can't mega stroller family move to the back of the bus, out of the way? Why can't I consider it rude to have a stroller run into me and have the pusher of said stroller not even say, I'm sorry? :confused3

I don't have any problems with any of your complaints. I already said I don't use buses much but the times I have I noticed most people with strollers (except maybe small umbrellas) usually move to the back of the bus near the ecv section. So yes, if someone just stops in the middle of the ailse then that is rude, whether they have a stroller or not. And yes, if someone runs into you with a stroller, saying "I'm sorry" is expected. But, on the other hand, just because someone is pushing a stroller does not give others the right to cut in front of them like they don't exist and then be angry when they're bumped. It's just simple etiquette on both sides but like I said earlier, people can and will continue to be rude and inconsiderate. Some will have strollers, some not but some people on this thread lumped everyone with large strollers as rude and inconsiderate.
 
I think there is a lot of food for thought on this thread. I'm not sure why people need to get so defensive, and I'm not sure why others have to be so offensive. There are certain inalienable truths here, but ultimately, it is Disney's rules that will and should prevail.

Truth: Strollers have gotten a lot bigger in recent years. And it is hard to justify the "I need a stroller that big" argument. Parents brought children to WDW in the 70's and 80's and they didn't have Range Rover strollers. And those parents survived. Even those with twins and triplets. I don't know of any kids who suffered orthopedic injuries from having been pushed around in a 1970's stroller. Take a look at my avatar picture and you will see what a Disney stroller looked like in 1972. Not pretty. But serviceable.

Truth: People with Range Rover strollers have every right to own them and use them. If they want their kid to fully recline in a Barca-Lounger on wheels, that is their perogative.

Truth: While strollers have gotten bigger, buses have not. Strollers compete for far more space than ever before. When Disney set up its rules allowing strollers to board buses, it did so at a time when strollers folded up quickly and into tight packages. I don't think Disney intended that an SUV would fold up to the size of a Mini Cooper and take up one and a half seats of said bus.

Truth: Despite the increase in stroller size and cumbersomeness, Disney has elected not to change its rules limiting the size of strollers. I imagine that there is some hand wringing and eye rolling at Disney corporate HQ over this. But they are more or less stuck. Trying to prohibit legitimate strollers owned by so many people would cause fights, arguments, hard feelings and stress. All things that WDW wants to avoid. A prior poster commented that if the stroller didn't take up the space, a person would, so it all evens out. Not really. If there were an infinite number of buses, then yes, it would even out. But if a bus that is intended to hold 50 people has to depart with 30 people and a whole bunch of big strollers, then fewer people are getting moved efficiently. Unless more buses are added to the route, this situation undeniably slows people down.

Truth: Despite the above efficiency issue, Disney has elected not to change the rules. End of story. Don't complain about or to the people with big strollers. If you are really irritated, take it up with the folks who make the rules.

I have questioned in my mind a lot of what goes on at WDW, both from a guest's conduct perspective and a Disney's rules perspective. But I have to say that I never once gave a second thought to this whole stroller issue. I can't see it being that big a deal.
 
Very nice summary, JimmyV ! :thumbsup2

Disney will not bite the hand that feeds it. Technically there are also no rules against chanting or cheering in line, pushing, or line cutting. And we all know how everyone enjoys those things :)
 


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