Just back...the good, the bad, and the tour groups!

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DW, DD (24), DS (17) and I just returned from a 7-night split stay at AKL and SSR. We have been going to WDW virtually annually since 2001.

Here's the lowdown:

THE GOOD: I am a Fastpass+ convert. I went into this experience extremely skeptical and longing for the old FP system, but my thoughts have changed. It was great going into every day knowing we had 2-3 experiences guaranteed without having to go through the exhausting drill of reaching parks at rope drop. And we found it remarkably easy to get additional FP after our initial ones expired. So count me in as a new member of the FP+ flock!

Magicband technology still has some holes in it, BUT it also offers remarkable ease in going to parks, charging, room access, etc. Additionally, it was very cool to have personalized messages in some of the ride queues, as well as ride videos captured for you. Very cool.

Customer service was actually best at SSR, where we received a room upgrade and free ice cream bars (because we arrived after all stores were closed.) The resort itself needs a surprising amount of updates given how relatively young the facility is--and the design of the rooms is poor. Who was in charge of determining the single bathroom plan with the incredibly awkward shared entrances and exits, anyway?

Best attraction experience was Kiliminjaro Safaris--all due to an enthusiastic and knowledgeable cast member with a pleasant and understandable voice. She needs to train so many other cast members all over Disney who recite their messages in uninspiring, robotic and all-too-fast delivery.

THE BAD: Customer service has gone down hill. I had read it here and thought people were too harsh, but, for the most part, they are right. With the very notable exception of the folks at SSR and at Kiliminjaro Safaris referenced above, the service was often lackluster and rather emotionally indifferent. Upon arrival at AKL, we were greeted by a cast-member with ZERO enthusiasm--how about a SMILE, at least?!? Instead, she mumbled some questions about our bags and awkwardly worked with us to get things organized. Rather incompetent and uninspiring--terrible first impression. Our second encounter was with the bellhop who brought our belongings. While he was pleasant enough, he spent most of his time complaining about the working conditions at Disney. As a marketing/branding professional, I was mortified by this introduction to my Disney trip. There were many other SMILING cast members at the parks and elsewhere--so I don't want to cast aspersions on the many hard-working people who still offer first-class and pleasant service. It's just that BAD service is far more prevalent than it used to be at WDW.

THE TOUR GROUPS: I had read many complaints about the tour groups on these boards and I figured everyone was overstating the issues. But then I experienced these youngsters first hand. I did not witness any line-budging or anything of that sort, BUT their overall behavior exhibited a rather blatant disregard for how their "exuberance" is disruptive to many others. The chants, oh the chants, so persistent--often drowning out park music and any other sights and sounds around you. Then there was the hoarding of tables in quick service restaurants, exacerbated again by chanting, yelling across the room, etc. I get it--young people are exuberant and they like to express themselves. But there ought to be some basic rules for decorum at the parks (and the resorts) for ALL guests--whether you are in a tour group or not. On a basic level, how you express your "enthusiasm" must be done so with consideration for the vacation experience of OTHERS. I really don't blame the kids; they are largely like any gathering of young people from any country going to a big event--they will get a bit "rowdy." But Disney, in my opinion, should be working with Tour Group leaders to establish and enforce basic rules regarding behavior. And actually I think it would be wise to share such rules with ALL Disney guests. It, of course, should be worded to express appreciation for the visit, hope you have a great time, how can we help make it magical, etc., but it also should include some basic expectations for behavior--just like when I take my mountain bike to the trails there is etiquette I need to follow. How about Disney park etiquette for all? I brought this up to Guest Relations and the person basically said, "they are young and just trying to have a good time." My response? "So is my family...and many others. Can't we have some common ground of expectations so that their right to be "exuberant" doesn't disrupt from the experience of other park guests?" I hope Disney will get real about addressing this issue, but I fear it won't. I just need to "adapt" and "accept" or avoid July and August in the future.
 
WOW, so sorry about CM's...we only had that once at POR, but normally they go out of their way to be nice. NOT looking forward to the tour groups, so hoping they will be gone when we arrive in 9 days. Totally agree with the Group Leaders should have some kind of control over these kids.

Hope you had a wonderful time in spite of the disappointments.
 
DW, DD (24), DS (17) and I just returned from a 7-night split stay at AKL and SSR. We have been going to WDW virtually annually since 2001.

Here's the lowdown:

THE GOOD: I am a Fastpass+ convert. I went into this experience extremely skeptical and longing for the old FP system, but my thoughts have changed. It was great going into every day knowing we had 2-3 experiences guaranteed without having to go through the exhausting drill of reaching parks at rope drop. And we found it remarkably easy to get additional FP after our initial ones expired. So count me in as a new member of the FP+ flock!

Magicband technology still has some holes in it, BUT it also offers remarkable ease in going to parks, charging, room access, etc. Additionally, it was very cool to have personalized messages in some of the ride queues, as well as ride videos captured for you. Very cool.

Customer service was actually best at SSR, where we received a room upgrade and free ice cream bars (because we arrived after all stores were closed.) The resort itself needs a surprising amount of updates given how relatively young the facility is--and the design of the rooms is poor. Who was in charge of determining the single bathroom plan with the incredibly awkward shared entrances and exits, anyway?

Best attraction experience was Kiliminjaro Safaris--all due to an enthusiastic and knowledgeable cast member with a pleasant and understandable voice. She needs to train so many other cast members all over Disney who recite their messages in uninspiring, robotic and all-too-fast delivery.

I am glad to hear that you are a FP+ convert. I have been a fan since it was launched, and I also love the MB.
THE BAD: Customer service has gone down hill. I had read it here and thought people were too harsh, but, for the most part, they are right. With the very notable exception of the folks at SSR and at Kiliminjaro Safaris referenced above, the service was often lackluster and rather emotionally indifferent. Upon arrival at AKL, we were greeted by a cast-member with ZERO enthusiasm--how about a SMILE, at least?!? Instead, she mumbled some questions about our bags and awkwardly worked with us to get things organized. Rather incompetent and uninspiring--terrible first impression. Our second encounter was with the bellhop who brought our belongings. While he was pleasant enough, he spent most of his time complaining about the working conditions at Disney. As a marketing/branding professional, I was mortified by this introduction to my Disney trip. There were many other SMILING cast members at the parks and elsewhere--so I don't want to cast aspersions on the many hard-working people who still offer first-class and pleasant service. It's just that BAD service is far more prevalent than it used to be at WDW.

I think that a lot of this depends on what CMs you run into, and also how you color the experience. I have run into a few lets say underwhelming CMs, but I have always found the vast majority to be great. I don't let the bad ones color my impression of the park as a whole. Perhaps this comes from being in management and understanding that no matter how hard you try, you cannot help but get some employees that aren't rockstars, and it is simply not always possible to weed out all of the bad ones.

THE TOUR GROUPS: I had read many complaints about the tour groups on these boards and I figured everyone was overstating the issues. But then I experienced these youngsters first hand. I did not witness any line-budging or anything of that sort, BUT their overall behavior exhibited a rather blatant disregard for how their "exuberance" is disruptive to many others. The chants, oh the chants, so persistent--often drowning out park music and any other sights and sounds around you. Then there was the hoarding of tables in quick service restaurants, exacerbated again by chanting, yelling across the room, etc. I get it--young people are exuberant and they like to express themselves. But there ought to be some basic rules for decorum at the parks (and the resorts) for ALL guests--whether you are in a tour group or not. On a basic level, how you express your "enthusiasm" must be done so with consideration for the vacation experience of OTHERS. I really don't blame the kids; they are largely like any gathering of young people from any country going to a big event--they will get a bit "rowdy." But Disney, in my opinion, should be working with Tour Group leaders to establish and enforce basic rules regarding behavior. And actually I think it would be wise to share such rules with ALL Disney guests. It, of course, should be worded to express appreciation for the visit, hope you have a great time, how can we help make it magical, etc., but it also should include some basic expectations for behavior--just like when I take my mountain bike to the trails there is etiquette I need to follow. How about Disney park etiquette for all? I brought this up to Guest Relations and the person basically said, "they are young and just trying to have a good time." My response? "So is my family...and many others. Can't we have some common ground of expectations so that their right to be "exuberant" doesn't disrupt from the experience of other park guests?" I hope Disney will get real about addressing this issue, but I fear it won't. I just need to "adapt" and "accept" or avoid July and August in the future.

Fortunately I have never experienced this, but we generally don't go in the summertime. That being said, I agree that there should be some basic etiquette for everyone, I have certainly run into my share of rude, crude, etc people without ever having run into a tour group that I know of.
 
Believe it or not(I go every July for my Birthday),the Chanting/Singing is DOWN this year.

It is still very prevalent,but less than in past years.
 

First of all, I enjoyed your review and totally agree with all you had to say about tour group behavior and the behavior of people in general!
I have a question about the ride pictures on the magic bands. Do you have to purchase photo pass or memory maker to be able to access those, or are they available regardless in case you want to purchase for download later? Thank you! :)
 
Sorry to hear about your experience with the CMs. I don't stay at the hotels, so I don't know what they're like there. For the ones in the parks, I have nothing but admiration for them.
 
First of all, I enjoyed your review and totally agree with all you had to say about tour group behavior and the behavior of people in general!
I have a question about the ride pictures on the magic bands. Do you have to purchase photo pass or memory maker to be able to access those, or are they available regardless in case you want to purchase for download later? Thank you! :)

Someone here can correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that you can claim the photo and have it show up in MDE for free, but then you have 30 days to decide if you want to purchase it for download or print.
 
Believe it or not(I go every July for my Birthday),the Chanting/Singing is DOWN this year.

It is still very prevalent,but less than in past years.
Really? Funny thing is we've gone the last 4 July's (always the last week of the month, right before school starts back) and have yet to hear a single chant. We arrive tomorrow so I'll keep my ears open, I guess. Maybe I just tune it all out? Or there's just so much other noise it doesn't stand out?
 
Really? Funny thing is we've gone the last 4 July's (always the last week of the month, right before school starts back) and have yet to hear a single chant. We arrive tomorrow so I'll keep my ears open, I guess. Maybe I just tune it all out? Or there's just so much other noise it doesn't stand out?
AngiTN we arrive next weekend (Sat), would be very interested in knowing about this and also how your trip is going, we went in 2012 over july 4th week and saw quite a few, mainly near the RoRC, making alot of noise.
 
We were in Epcot on Saturday and it was my first experience with the tour groups. We heard a few chants and, yeah, I thought they were a bit inappropriate but they're also a group of teens. Not a big deal to me. I noticed that they also tend to have a very different definition of personal space. LOL. In line to see Mickey, Goofy, and Minnie and they were almost crawling up our backs. DH let me get in front of him since it was just too close for me.
 
Dh and I were at WDW July 14-17. Saw either one or two tour groups (hard to tell if same group or not) at DHS on the 16th. No chanting, no crowding. That was it, didn't see any others at MK or AK.
 
Sounds like over all you had a good trip. I've never had any problems with the new FP system but then again we didn't really use the old one that much. I don't charge to my MB but just because I don't like charging to my room, I just seem to be able to control how much I spend better if I have to pull out a gift card or cc. but we have been using the since they were experimental and just a few resorts and have always enjoyed the ease of tapping and getting into the parks and rooms. I have noticed the past few trips that front desk people don't always seem as friendly as they could be but we are such frequent visitors we don't really need the instructions and maps, just tell me my room number and I'm good. We've found it hit and miss but haven't run into too many bad ones in the parks and I just figure everyone has an off day now and again. We've been there with the tour groups every once in awhile and the chanting doesn't really bother me as much as the jumping in line and pushing and shoving. I understand for those not from the US it is a cultural thing but when I visit another country I always try to abide by their cultural norms but I know that is not always the case with others. I've noticed Americans in other countries giving new meaning to the expression "Ugly American" expecting everyone to speak English and acting like the local customs are wrong so I guess that problem goes two ways.
 
I noticed that they also tend to have a very different definition of personal space. LOL.

Definitely true.:)

It is also interesting to see how large numbers of them can "move as one"!lol:)

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Here now also. We have had a good time so far making it through our second day. Have seen great CMs with one a little grouchy at Lion King Festival. He had to ask people 3 different times to move down. Nope they were saving seats. He finally said. "Ok I hope they have good luck finding you". This was after he asked a lady many times to sit down and get out of the row so people could move. I walked past him and whispered "good luck". It is unreal when people don't think rules apply to them. The best one was in Dinosaur after the movie que where you move to the line me, my DH, DD, and friend are over by the doors with people that had been the whole time including a guy and his wife. The tour group started trying to pass all of us and he put his hand up and said "Hola senior back up". It was great. Then the woman with him said all week they had been getting cut off they had seen them leave trash everywhere and yes we did hear chanting. Hopefully that will be the only encounter this trip!!
 
Did you stay in a 1 bedroom or 2 bedroom villa at SSR? If so, yes, the bathroom set up is a little weird but it seems that a lot of the 1 or 2 bedrooms are like that (Beach Club, WL, etc). But yes, we stayed in a 1 bedroom in June and it was interesting with all the doors and the set up...
 
"Honey, we need more beer. There are 50 teenagers wearing pastel blue at the pool singing happy songs at Disneyworld."
 



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