JUST BACK :( Stroller& Personal Space PROBLEM

[babar41]

Car, shopping cart, stroller, wheelchair, feet... It's a matter of personal responsibility. It is your responsibility to watch where you are going and not run into anyone else. Having said that, accidents happen (otherwise we wouldn't need insurance companies). If an accident happens, be gracious and move on being more careful.

When I am driving, pushing a shopping cart, stroller or wheelchair, or walking it is my job to know exactly where the "end" of the car, stroller, wheelchair or body is and to adjust my speed to my surroundings. I don't go along with the theory that "I can't see where the end of the wheels are", IMHO try overcompensating and giving a few extra inches of space.

The whole "no brakes" and "it takes quite a distance to stop" means you really need to be even that much more vigilant in your attention. It should not be an excuse to use your vehicle (car, shopping cart, stroller, wheelchair, feet) as a battering ram.

How about if we just bring back some old fashion manners, be nice to each other, and take responsibility for our own actions. I never have liked the "he did this so I did that".

 

[jann1033]

Car, shopping cart, stroller, wheelchair, feet... It's a matter of personal responsibility.

: good point, wonder if the people that run up your feet at disney run up other people's feet in the grocery store too...people stop there constantly and at least at our store lots of time i actually have to stop and wait till someone grabs their fruitloops ( the nerveof them...)and moves ...maybe i'll just start ramming carts with my cart..

 

[babar41]

: good point, wonder if the people that run up your feet at disney run up other people's feet in the grocery store too...people stop there constantly and at least at our store lots of time i actually have to stop and wait till someone grabs their fruitloops ( the nerveof them...)and moves ...maybe i'll just start ramming carts with my cart..

And at my store sometimes it is really crowded, people are stopping to look at things, stopping to read their list, stopping and changing directions because they forgot something in the aisle behind them, little ones are running around, pushing carts loaded down that weigh a ton, stopping and starting full carts is hard (no brakes), blocking the aisle ... yet I can't ever recall anyone intentionally ramming anothers cart, using their cart to push their way to the front of the line, jumping over someones cart...

Maybe we should just use our shopping manners?

 

[kizmac]

Honestly, I don't believe that anyone rams anyone on purpose. (ok, I know there are probably a small handful) but for the most part. I guess that is why I don't understand the people that respond angrily or start cussing when it does happens. It's an accident. Were there ways to avoid it? Absolutely, as in all accidents there are usually ways it could have been avoided. We are human and are not perfect. We all will be involved in accidents or cause accidents at some point in our lives. I consider being hit with a stroller or wheelchair pretty minor one.

I'm sure it hurts but seriously, is it usually so bad that you would have to freak out and ruin your day or someone else’s day over it? I know I've rammed my DH in the back of the foot and he even had sandals on. He didn't stop and start throwing a cussing fit. He didn't even stop or say ouch for that matter.

I have been to Disney a ton of times with strollers and really never realized till I started reading the DIS that there was such an issue. Some people really despise them. Maybe it has more to do with the heat, crowds, and lack of rest or sleep more than anything that makes people so intolerable. I just wish that we could all be a little more accepting of one another and just because someone may accidentally clip your ankle it doesn't mean they deserve a tongue lashing.

 

[kizmac]

: good point, wonder if the people that run up your feet at disney run up other people's feet in the grocery store too...people stop there constantly and at least at our store lots of time i actually have to stop and wait till someone grabs their fruitloops ( the nerveof them...)and moves ...maybe i'll just start ramming carts with my cart..

you should of let that fruitloop grabber have it! LOL

 

[glawgirl]

Oh my goodness! What did you say back to him? Some people shouldn't be let out into the public population.

He freaked out when he heard me speak to him in English - I guess he thought that we only spoke Spanish. I told him that he needed to mind his own business. It was hilarious.

 

[Shinji]

This thread is very informative. I cannot count the times I have been in MK at WDW - walking along, minding my own business and Bam! A stroller is slammed into the back of my ankles. I turn around to see a Mother, or sometimes a Father pushing a stroller and looking right past me like I am not even there. While I am a fairly stout guy, I think they just choose not to see me in their own self-centered world. Perhaps I just got in their way? The same thing has happened with people on ECVs. (Electric Big people strollers)

At least I know I have something new to try: I can stop and Yell "***!" at them.

 

[babar41]

Honestly, I don't believe that anyone rams anyone on purpose. (ok, I know there are probably a small handful) but for the most part. I guess that is why I don't understand the people that respond angrily or start cussing when it does happens.

Unfortunately I have witnessed the battering ram actions. It is not a pretty sight. Perhaps the reason some people respond negatively to being rammed accidently is they may have been rammed, clipped, runover accidently about 20 times that day. Does this excuse their use of foul language? No. But as I have told my children and DH, the first few times you kick me under the table is an accident that is easily forgiven. But after a few times shouldn't you learn to change your actions and perhaps move your feet?

I'm sure it hurts but seriously, is it usually so bad that you would have to freak out and ruin your day or someone else’s day over it? I know I've rammed my DH in the back of the foot and he even had sandals on. He didn't stop and start throwing a cussing fit. He didn't even stop or say ouch for that matter.

I'm glad your DH wasn't hurt when you rammed the back of his foot. But you have to understand that different people feel pain differently. And you are right, it does hurt to have a stroller hit the back of your ankle. Since I prefer to "cause no pain" to anyone, if I did accidently cause pain I would feel and express my sorrow to the person, then try not to let that happen again. Not just chalk it off to it's really not that bad anyway.

I just wish that we could all be a little more accepting of one another and just because someone may accidentally clip your ankle it doesn't mean they deserve a tongue lashing.

Back to my original statement, take responsibility for your actions and use manners. IMHO the world would be a better place if we did both.

 

[bethbuchall]

I CANT STAND THIS!!!

Even if it is the "Most Magical Place on Earth", I have to say something to these people. They act like there so important, that they can hold up "traffic" just because they need to look at their map. GO INSIDE A STORE, OR FIND A PLACE WITHOUT PEOPLE TO STOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


ah, Thank You for allowing me to vent!!

Do you really think that people are acting like they are so important when they stop to read a map and end up blocking traffic? Personally, I tend to think that although they are thoughtless, they aren't trying to be rude or self-important. What do you say to the map readers?

I had moments of frustration when pushing a stroller at Disney World, but I honestly never felt hostility toward the people that stopped suddenly. I came a little closer to feeling hostile when people deliberately stepped over my stroller and into it's path because we weren't going fast enough (though we were going at the same speed as the people in front of us).

Overall, people would feel much less stressed if they give others the benefit of the doubt. It is a crowded, stimulating, exhausting place, and people sometimes do things without realizing the impact on those around them.

Beth

 

[kizmac]

Unfortunately I have witnessed the battering ram actions. It is not a pretty sight. Perhaps the reason some people respond negatively to being rammed accidently is they may have been rammed, clipped, runover accidently about 20 times that day. Does this excuse their use of foul language? No. But as I have told my children and DH, the first few times you kick me under the table is an accident that is easily forgiven. But after a few times shouldn't you learn to change your actions and perhaps move your feet?

I understand it may happen a lot during the day, but most likely it isn't the same person doing it. I totally could see freaking out if the same person repeatedly rammed you from behind as you compare to someone kicking you repeatly. I would think that would be very rare to be hit repeatly by the same stroller pusher.

I'm glad your DH wasn't hurt when you rammed the back of his foot. But you have to understand that different people feel pain differently. And you are right, it does hurt to have a stroller hit the back of your ankle. Since I prefer to "cause no pain" to anyone, if I did accidently cause pain I would feel and express my sorrow to the person, then try not to let that happen again. Not just chalk it off to it's really not that bad anyway.

I wasn't just chalking it off that it didn't hurt and wasn't that bad and didn't mean for it to come across that way.....just that it wasn't exactly means for having a total freak out over. I do realize that their are people that it would hurt much more than others. My FIL for one is a diabetic and has to be very careful of injuries to his feet or legs. He does react highly to any bump or even the kids stepping on his feet. BUT for the majority of people, it shouldn't be that serious.

Back to my original statement, take responsibility for your actions and use manners. IMHO the world would be a better place if we did both.

ITA!

 

[kizmac]

At least I know I have something new to try: I can stop and Yell "***!" at them.

Learn something new every day here on the DIS!

 

[babar41]

kizmac... I'm probably more sensitive to people "bumping" into others because of family history. My father had very poor circulation, as one doctor put it he had enough circulation to keep skin alive on his legs and feet, but not enough for repair. A minor scratch or abrasion would turn into an ulceration that would have him hospitalized for months. My half sister was diabetic and lost both her legs.

I agree with you, people shouldn't freak out if someone accidently bumps into them. But sometimes a persons tolerance for something gets worn down. Doesn't have to be the same offender.

My story of being kicked under the table was not meant to suggest that one person was continually ramming the same person. It was meant as a general idea. If you are continually kicking someone under the table perhaps you should move your feet. Another way of saying this is... if you are repeatedly bumping into people with your car, shopping cart, stroller, wheelchair or feet perhaps you should change your actions. By the way, same thing holds true if you are repeatedly being bumped everytime you stop abruptly, perhaps you too should change your behavior. But between the two offences I probably lean towards the rules of the road... you should have your front end under control at all times.

 

[dyna]

It wasn't so much strollers invading my space last week in the parks. One very noisy close tabled TS meal was spent with a toddler throwing baby bottles and food at us. Parents did nothing it was fine that the toddler was throwing food and bottles.

Another time I was walking into the bathroom following a preschooler who suddenly stopped right in front of me to LAY DOWN HIS TOY ON THE FLOOR oh WAIT the kid rudely stepped in front to me then stopped. His momma wasn't to happy when I accidently kicked his toy better the toy than the kid.

We did what we could to avoid the crowds when exiting the that parks that helps a lot with the space invasion. I agree ppl are just RUDE and ME 1st ANYMORE all the time everywhere!!!!

 

[jann1033]

Do you really think that people are acting like they are so important when they stop to read a map and end up blocking traffic? \.

Beth

i think "hey they must be lost" , reve up my ecv and knock those newbies into tomorrowland as I yell "no speaka de english" as their pitiful little bodies fly over my head

 

[kizmac]

i think "hey they must be lost" , reve up my ecv and knock those newbies into tomorrowland as I yell "no speaka de english" as their pitiful little bodies fly over my head

(jann1033 on her ecv)

 

[Amyality]

I have a stroller horror story. We were in DTD and the classic Japanese Guy with a camera backs into my stroller, tryng to shoot a picture of who knows what, which contains my 18 month old. He falls ont op of the stroller then looks at me like I'm a total jerk. My son was fine but, the canopy on the stroller has never been right since. My husband and I just gave him looks that defy all language and custom barriers and walked away.

 

[Amyality]

(jann1033 on her ecv)

Love your ghost Mickey! See ya at MNSSHP Sept. 30. I'll be traveling with a Storm Trooper and Darth Mal.

 

[kizmac]

Love your ghost Mickey! See ya at MNSSHP Sept. 30. I'll be traveling with a Storm Trooper and Darth Mal.

Cool...I'll keep my eyes open for some Star Wars people. I am not dressing up. Mainly because it is hard enough getting costumes together for all the kids so I'll just be sporting an orange Disney Logo shirt from Disneydirect and maybe some gold mickey ears! Oh, and pushing a stroller so watch out

 

[gr8ful4Him]

We were in DTD and the classic Japanese Guy with a camera backs into my stroller, tryng to shoot a picture of who knows what, which contains my 18 month old. He falls ont op of the stroller then looks at me like I'm a total jerk.

This drove me more nuts while we were in disney than anything. People walking backwards?!? ...as if they had eyes in the back of their heads or rearview mirrors attached to their foreheads!

 

[homer424]

Pls. don't flame me, I am usually a very nice considerate stroller mommy. This time I was more like stroller commando. It was our last trip (11/04) and we were trying to leave MK after Wishes. My 1yr.old DS was in his stroller. The CM's are redirecting us thru a small shop to get around some kind of incident. As we are going thru the doorway back outside (by the way, we were 3/4 of the way thru) this guy comes up pushing his way outside. He put one foot in FRONT of the stroller and was getting ready to LIFT HIS OTHER FOOT OVER MY SON & THE STROLLER!!!!! Meanwhile his bags were hitting DS in the face & he started to cry. Well Commando Mommy did not stop. Rude guy hits the pavement face first. He got right up shouting &%$*!!!!! and GRABBED THE STROLLER TRAY & STARTED JERKING THE STROLLER AROUND. I looked right at him (all 5' 0" of me) and shouted "Let go of my baby!!!" you can imagine how many people turned around. By this time, my DH (all 6' 8" if him) had gotten to us. The guy was still yelling %^$$#%% and asking if I had insurance. Until he & his wife saw my DH. Then they just turned around. Not a nice way to end a great day at the happiest place on earth.

I don't blame you. I am a very timid person in real life. I barely speak up for myself over anything and I am a general doormat. (As a matter of fact someone rammed me with the cart in Target yesterday trying to get in front of me in line-I have a huge bruise on my leg from it but I didn't say a word. ) But if someone hurts my child, I am speaking up. It is very easy for others to pass judgement when you are not in the situation and your child is not the one being hurt. It sounds like this guy wouldn't have stopped even if you just said something to him about him hitting your child in the face. No, two wrongs don't make a right, but I am not about ready to allow an adult to hurt my child and not do something about it-a friend of mine calls it "Mother Tiger Syndrome". Flame me if you wish, it's just MHO.

I just hope everyone doesn't lump all stroller pushers in together. Like I said previously, I never had one problem the 3 trips to Disney with a stroller. I never hit anyone or vise versa. As long as you are mindful of everyone else and aren't in your own insular world-both stroller/WC pushers and non-stroller/wc pushers-then it should be ok. My mo used to say "just because you are on vacation, doesn't mean you leave your sense at home"