Just back, some observations...

[luckyprincess]

they have to be loaded first its THE LAW. and for safety reasons, I notice no one says they should be let off first.

But isn't that law for people with disabilities? So if I decide to get a scooter because I don't feel like walking around the parks (maybe I get tired easy because I'm out of shape but no real health issue) then you are saying that I should be abusing the law by taking advantage of laws created for the disabled? I personally know someone that rents a scooter because she's a little overweight and gets tired of walking and also so that her family can get on to rides and buses before others (not sure if they do that anymore) and the scooter rental place doesn't ask for any type of medical proof of need and doesn't even require seeing a handicap parking tag or anything to show that the scooter is actually needed. So then the people waiting that get to get on a bus first with their brood aren't necessarily deserving of this law I think.

 

[Friendly Frog]

Ditto. I have no issue at all with the ECV's and those that need to use them, but everyone should wait their turn to board the bus. If they need to board first out of the group that's fine, but if they wouldn't fit on that bus and would be waiting for the next one then that's what should happen.
I also think they should board with one other person as required by the ADA, and the rest of their party should board when their turn on the line comes.

I travel with my elderly mom and my grandchild, who do I leave at the bus stop?



New Bus Rules! The first in line boards, NO EXCEPTIONS!

All ECVs and chairs are to wait in the regular line!

*** Read all about it below. ***

First, a little math. I am on an ECV and I wait in line with everyone else. You come and you are in line behind me. The bus pulls up and 20 people get on. I now get on. How many toes do I crush to get to my spot?

OK, now for the real deal. I am waiting with everyone else, you are in line behind me. The bus pulls up 20 people load, two or three of which are ECV users. No place left for me. Should you go ahead and get on the bus since you can take a regular seat? Caution: If you said yes, then you would be doing the exact same thing that you just complained about ECV users doing. You nasty line cutter! I demand that you wait for the next bus, because I was there first!

Now we ALL waited for the next bus. Unfortunately the people behind me are all ticked off (again )because they had to wait because of my ECV! Deja Vue. ( Well except for those of you that think you are too good for the rules and hoped on the last bus anyway. You know who you are.)

We load, (I crush 10 toes this time and one stroller) And we get to the parks (with another half full bus due to the other ECVs that did not fit)!

Yippeeee. I get to get OFF the bus first this time!!!!! The rules are all about who is first. Forget everything else, just watch your toes because here I come again. You know, I am starting to like these new rules, but I am not so sure you are fairing any better.

Now if you are still with me, take a deep breath. Maybe instead of being upset over the ECVs loading first ( which is just logical planning) maybe we should be upset with Disney for not providing SHADE and rain protection canopies over ALL bus lines? (Maybe even add a few benches IN the line like in the MK train station?) I think if people were out of the sun and rain, and could sit some while waiting for the bus, it would make things just a bit more tolerable? Don't tell me it is too expensive. They could add shade and benches for less than the cost of a ride, a giant wand added to a geospear, a big sorcerers hat, or the next....

Sometime life is not what is fair. ( Do I ever know that one.) Maybe some things in life are just done the best they can, in general, for everyone. I think with a little shade added and a bench or two, this is what Disney is already doing. Don't count the ECVs, count your blessings.

 

[Friendly Frog]

-Zipping up flame suit as I must comment that the scooter situation is getting out of control. When we started going on Disney trips in 1999, a bus with a passenger using a wheelchair or scooter was a once-in-a-while thing. This trip, almost every single time we went to take the bus, there were two people with scooters waiting on it as well. These things wipe out so many seats on most of the buses. If the number of people using them continues to grow, Disney needs to be thinking about transporting people with mini-vehicles (and that includes people with strollers the size of Mini Coopers) separately from strictly-on-foot passengers.

What I take issue to is "out of control". What is an "in control" number?

-This trip, almost every single time we went to take the bus, there were two people with scooters waiting on it as well.

Doesn't seem too " Out of control" to me. Two ECVs is too much?

You would not have needed a flame suite if you had simple said (felt) ;
"The number of ECV users has increased dramatically since my last visit, as has the number of people traveling with larger strollers. The increased space required for these devices has resulted in longer wait times in the bus lines. Perhaps Disney could RUN MORE BUSES to compensate for these changes?"

 

[POOHsie]

Ditto. I have no issue at all with the ECV's and those that need to use them, but everyone should wait their turn to board the bus. If they need to board first out of the group that's fine, but if they wouldn't fit on that bus and would be waiting for the next one then that's what should happen.

I also think they should board with one other person as required by the ADA, and the rest of their party should board when their turn on the line comes.

If we are talking about ADA/Federal requirements, a basic rule is EQUAL ACCESS. That means if a bus has space to load wheeled passengers, then it must load them. So the idea that wheeled people wait in the line with the hypothetical group that would be in their busload, goes right out the window. Disney separates out the wheeled people so the driver can see them before he pulls in. If the wheeled person was in the regular line, and arrived at the bus door as passenger #30, the bus driver would likely tell him the bus was full and he couldn't load (which was untrue if he had loaded the wheeled person first). Or if he did load him, amidst a crowded bus, someone's body part would likely be run over, and a group of people would have to get up from the benches marked for handicapped seating, and then trouble would ensue.

Disney bus loading isn't an exercise in line etiquette. The Disney buses hold maybe 40 walking people, but only 2 disabled. Based on numbers of scooters and wheelchairs, Disney has to load these buses with the wheeled people as efficiently as possible to keep from getting behind in their loading.

There is nothing stopping Disney from allowing more than one to board with the disabled person. At a family place like Disney, how likely is it the disabled is part of an entire family unit? So Disney allows the wheeled person plus up to 5 others to board. From a point of mercy, would you want your family split up onto different buses? Didn't think so.

 

[luckyprincess]

If we are talking about ADA/Federal requirements, a basic rule is EQUAL ACCESS. That means if a bus has space to load wheeled passengers, then it must load them. So the idea that wheeled people wait in the line with the hypothetical group that would be in their busload, goes right out the window. Disney separates out the wheeled people so the driver can see them before he pulls in. If the wheeled person was in the regular line, and arrived at the bus door as passenger #30, the bus driver would likely tell him the bus was full and he couldn't load (which was untrue if he had loaded the wheeled person first). Or if he did load him, amidst a crowded bus, someone's body part would likely be run over, and a group of people would have to get up from the benches marked for handicapped seating, and then trouble would ensue.

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In relation to what you wrote - why does the ADA rules come into play when there are no ADA requirements to rent these things? What I mean is, you are giving ADA protection to some people that do not have any disabilities. Makes no sense to me. I think perhaps scooters should only be rentable if there is a medical need for them - and I say that from the experience of someone that uses one for the perks - she certainly doesn't mind the view at all, finds it easy to drive with practice, shops just fine and doesn't mind getting off the bus last - I'm sure she's not alone. We saw a family of 4 - ALL were on scooters - all of them...that is either the worst tragedy and super sad or a horrible abuse and super sad - either way it's sad.

 

[Donut23]

Make sure your scooter has a LGMH!!

Good idea.....green is a Christmas color and we will be arriving thanksgiving weekend for our long holiday stay.

I'm sure I can squeeze in that mickey head somewhere!

Thanks for the reminder!

 

[chloelovesdisney]

I travel with my elderly mom and my grandchild, who do I leave at the bus stop?

Just for fun.

New rules in effect. From now on the first in line boards NO EXCEPTIONS! All ECVs and chairs are to wait in the regular line! Read all about it below.

First, a little math. I am on an ECV and I wait in line with everyone else. You come and you are in line behind me. The bus pulls up and 20 people get. I now get on. How many toes do I crush to get to my spot?

OK, now for the real deal. I am waiting with everyone else, you are in line behind me. The bus pulls up 20 people load, two or three of which are ECV users. No place left for me. Should you go ahead and get on the bus since you can take a regular seat? Caution: If you said yes, then you would be doing the exact same thing that you just complained about ECV users doing. You nasty line cutter! I demand that you wait for the next bus, because I was there first!

Now we ALL waited for the next bus. Unfortunately the people behind me are all ticked off (again )because they had to wait because of my ECV! Deja Vue. ( Well except for those of you that think you are too good for the rules and hoped on the last bus anyway. You know who you are.)

We load, (I crush 10 toes this time and one stroller) And we get to the parks (with another half full bus due to the other ECVs that did not fit)!

Yippeeee. I get to get OFF the bus first this time!!!!! The rules are all about who is first. Forget everything else, just watch your toes because here I come again. You know, I am starting to like these new rules, but I am not so sure you are fairing any better.

Now if you are still with me, take a deep breath. Maybe instead of being upset over the ECVs loading first ( which is just logical planning) maybe we should be upset with Disney for not providing SHADE and rain protection canopies over ALL bus lines? (Maybe even add a few benches IN the line like in the MK train station?) I think if people were out of the sun and rain, and could sit some while waiting for the bus, it would make things just a bit more tolerable? Don't tell me it is too expensive. They could add shade and benches for less than the cost of a ride, a giant wand added to a geospear, a big sorcerers hat, or the next....

Sometime life is not what is fair. ( Do I ever know that one.) Maybe some things in life are just done the best they can, in general, for everyone. I think with a little shade added and a bench or two, this is what Disney is already doing. Don't count the ECVs, count your blessings.

The law provides for one companion to board. If it was enforced than people would plan for it and make other arrangements, such as bringing another adult on the trip. I don't think that's even necessary, I just think everyone should wait their turn and then board.

NYC buses are wheelchair accessable. They don't empty the bus and then board the person in the wheelchair or scooter. People just move aside and if you are in the seats that need to be put up to accomodate the chair, you get up and move. Even during rush hour with a jam packed bus, they board people in wheelchairs and scooters without running over people's feet or knocking people over. It's entirely possible to do, it's done here day in and day out and it's just as busy as at Disney. Everyone knows the drill and since we all want to get the bus moving as soon as possible, they just get up and move, making room for the person in the chair/scooter to get on and into the spot.

I don't know why I even comment on this topic, it always turns out very unpleasant. It gets heated, posters get sarcastic, it goes no where and comes up again in a week or so to start all over.

 

[chloelovesdisney]

If we are talking about ADA/Federal requirements, a basic rule is EQUAL ACCESS. That means if a bus has space to load wheeled passengers, then it must load them. So the idea that wheeled people wait in the line with the hypothetical group that would be in their busload, goes right out the window. Disney separates out the wheeled people so the driver can see them before he pulls in. If the wheeled person was in the regular line, and arrived at the bus door as passenger #30, the bus driver would likely tell him the bus was full and he couldn't load (which was untrue if he had loaded the wheeled person first). Or if he did load him, amidst a crowded bus, someone's body part would likely be run over, and a group of people would have to get up from the benches marked for handicapped seating, and then trouble would ensue.

Disney bus loading isn't an exercise in line etiquette. The Disney buses hold maybe 40 walking people, but only 2 disabled. Based on numbers of scooters and wheelchairs, Disney has to load these buses with the wheeled people as efficiently as possible to keep from getting behind in their loading.

There is nothing stopping Disney from allowing more than one to board with the disabled person. At a family place like Disney, how likely is it the disabled is part of an entire family unit? So Disney allows the wheeled person plus up to 5 others to board. From a point of mercy, would you want your family split up onto different buses? Didn't think so.

Equal access, not preferential treatment. If there have been people waiting in line for 30 minutes, and someone who pulls up to the line at the last minute gets to board and someone else that has been waiting gets bumped off the bus, that is not equal.

Also, yes I would be fine with my family waiting their turn and meeting up at the park. I would not want my entire family to cut the line and board the bus making others that have already been waiting, wait even longer. I would be 100% okay with them waiting for their turn.

 

[POOHsie]

In relation to what you wrote - why does the ADA rules come into play when there are no ADA requirements to rent these things? What I mean is, you are giving ADA protection to some people that do not have any disabilities. Makes no sense to me. I think perhaps scooters should only be rentable if there is a medical need for them - and I say that from the experience of someone that uses one for the perks - she certainly doesn't mind the view at all, finds it easy to drive with practice, shops just fine and doesn't mind getting off the bus last - I'm sure she's not alone. We saw a family of 4 - ALL were on scooters - all of them...that is either the worst tragedy and super sad or a horrible abuse and super sad - either way it's sad.

Your other post said you weren't sure she and her family was doing this any more. There will always be people who try foolish things once or twice and then realize their foolishness. This applies to the "Great Myth of Handicap Perks." Yeah, it's sorta fun to ride instead of walk. But people dart out of nowhere, stop in front of you, you can't converse with your group because you are 3 feet lower than them. If you looked up to see them, that's when you might drive into someone. So no small talk. Parades and fireworks are just about a disaster, even in the designated areas. Your body gets tired of the same position for hours on end. You can't go very fast and you realize very soon that you could make much more progress if you got out and walked. You get put in the very last row at all the shows, and in the stores it's hard to go down the aisles with people already there, so you back up alot and (oops) you bang into displays. Then people look at you for the wrong reasons. Same bad looks at the bus and monorail. You feel like you should be wearing a big sign that says "I'm Sorry!"

So I think the number of able-bodied people that rent medical scooters is negligible. Why put people who do have a medical need through that medical sign-off hoop. People like grandpa who is OK but has old-age heart ailments. Or an RA person with a flare-up. If you run the numbers you are thinking of making tons of people go through something for the sake of a very minimal few. It's a huge waste of $$ and resources for what benefit? For proof to the able-bodied the you qualify for the scooter rental? You don't need proof of sobriety to get in a car and drive, you go with the presumption that the person driving is sober. So why does anyone need to prove physical requirements to rent a scooter?

 

[POOHsie]

NYC buses are wheelchair accessable. They don't empty the bus and then board the person in the wheelchair or scooter. People just move aside and if you are in the seats that need to be put up to accomodate the chair, you get up and move. Even during rush hour with a jam packed bus, they board people in wheelchairs and scooters without running over people's feet or knocking people over. It's entirely possible to do, it's done here day in and day out and it's just as busy as at Disney. Everyone knows the drill and since we all want to get the bus moving as soon as possible, they just get up and move, making room for the person in the chair/scooter to get on and into the spot.

I think most people getting on Disney buses don't use buses in their daily lives and don't know "the drill." I think Disney is mindful of this and is being cautious against injuries from encounters with scooters and wheelchairs (which most people are also not exposed to in their daily lives). Plenty of people in handicap seats on Disney buses do not want to get up, and you can read threads about that. They are clueless and tired from a long park day in the hot Florida sun with their (now) overtired kids. The last thing they want to do is get up and move.

 

[kaytieeldr]

Chances are that you will never notice the negative issues associated with the ECV usage and it has many.

• You are ALWAYS the last person off the bus.
• You get ugly hateful stares from (some) people as you load the bus.
• You move slower through the parks than most of your walking friends.
• Forget about comfortable conversations.
• It is difficult to shop in most of the stores.
• ***You go through the same ride lines on most lines, but if not you usually are escorted off to another area, past on lookers who think you are getting on the ride, only to wait in a back area much longer than if you could have walked on.
• All you see all day is the rear ends of people.
• Loading on the bus is a pain, even for experienced bus riders.
• Do you have any idea how what a pain it is to even get to the Soaring level when on an ECV! (Meet me at the mandatory elevator. )
• You can't just duck into a building if it starts to rain.
• I could go on more, but I will skip to my number one reason you do not want to rent an ECV if you don't have to

:

Try getting trapped. I had come off Test Track one trip, and stopped in the little photo area to see my picture. It took longer, of course, because it took me longer than the rest of the people in my car to exit the vehicle and get down the ramp.

Once I decided not to buy it and turned to leave - I couldn't. Guests kept crowding into the area, pretty much every twenty seconds, and few were leaving. I could move about an inch, then I'd get stuck again. My "excuse mes" were getting louder and more frantic, and I was in the middle of the area - not near where I could get see or get help from a Cast Member. Finally, a wonderfully helpful : woman spoke up and suggested, "Maybe if you asked more politely, people would move!".

 

[Friendly Frog]

The law provides for one companion to board. If it was enforced than people would plan for it and make other arrangements, such as bringing another adult on the trip. I don't think that's even necessary, I just think everyone should wait their turn and then board.

NYC buses are wheelchair accessable. They don't empty the bus and then board the person in the wheelchair or scooter. People just move aside and if you are in the seats that need to be put up to accomodate the chair, you get up and move. Even during rush hour with a jam packed bus, they board people in wheelchairs and scooters without running over people's feet or knocking people over. It's entirely possible to do, it's done here day in and day out and it's just as busy as at Disney. Everyone knows the drill and since we all want to get the bus moving as soon as possible, they just get up and move, making room for the person in the chair/scooter to get on and into the spot.
I don't know why I even comment on this topic, it always turns out very unpleasant. It gets heated, posters get sarcastic, it goes no where and comes up again in a week or so to start all over.

Honestly, I am glad that you did post.

I just want to bang my head against a wall, because I can't even begin to wrap it around all of the issues you mention that I would like to address.


What other adult do they bring?
Who pays for this?
(That is as insulting as telling you to just bring someone with an ECV or stop complaining.)

Are you going to wait your turn after the ECV person, if the ECV spaces are filled? But you want to send a bus off without filling the ECV space, right? (Did you read all of my thread before this one? )

Do your really envision loading a bus full of people and a lot of children THEN having everyone get up, move down ( and possible back off of the bus again) so an ECV can load?

The New York bus is already full, they have no choice.

There are only two ECV spaces on a bus...TWO spaces on a whole bus!
(and most ECV users do not travel with tons of family. )

That means that WORSE case scenario you are only dealing with two, 2, ECV families per.... great.... big.... honking bus.

Please, please, please rent an ECV and THEN tell me you really think people rent them to get on the bus first and that less people would rent them if this perk went away?


If you really want to spend over $200.00 a week to get on a bus first ( and off last.) you had better remember that you may walk up to the stop at the same time as Mr. & Mrs. Jones but they may load and leave you behind due to the fact that both of the whopping two ECV spaces are already filled on that bus.

And after you wait for all the people, and strollers, to exit of the bus, the real fun of your day begins while you try to safely maneuver hoards of people who seem intent on playing " Frogger" with your chair.

* Frogger= and old video game.

PS- My previous post before this one was an attempt to add a little humor to some serious points that should be considered.

 

[kaytieeldr]

NYC buses are wheelchair accessable. They don't empty the bus and then board the person in the wheelchair or scooter. People just move aside and if you are in the seats that need to be put up to accomodate the chair, you get up and move. Even during rush hour with a jam packed bus, they board people in wheelchairs and scooters without running over people's feet or knocking people over. It's entirely possible to do, it's done here day in and day out and it's just as busy as at Disney. Everyone knows the drill

And there's the primary difference between day-in/day-out commuting in a major metropolitan area, and using the Walt Disney World bus system for a few days/couple of weeks during a vacation.

 

[going/again]

Wait in line. Then get on board in the select spot.

I cant believe after its been pointed out so many times, its Disney policy, ADA rules, and for safety reasons, you put this,

if you knew the rules you wouldnt like this to happen trust me.

if the ECV/WC person waits in line, and is say the 25th person to load and the driver says sorry its not safe, you have to wait for the next bus, that bus is then (by the rules) classed as full and no one else should be allowed to board.,

you ever see or hear a ECV/WC rider complain of this no, they are not that petty, you see where they get to be loaded first and think its a bonus, an earlier poster offered to lend one for a day, and anyone could spend the day at WDW with him, any takers yet.

 

[going/again]

But isn't that law for people with disabilities? So if I decide to get a scooter because I don't feel like walking around the parks (maybe I get tired easy because I'm out of shape but no real health issue) then you are saying that I should be abusing the law by taking advantage of laws created for the disabled? I personally know someone that rents a scooter because she's a little overweight and gets tired of walking and also so that her family can get on to rides and buses before others (not sure if they do that anymore) and the scooter rental place doesn't ask for any type of medical proof of need and doesn't even require seeing a handicap parking tag or anything to show that the scooter is actually needed. So then the people waiting that get to get on a bus first with their brood aren't necessarily deserving of this law I think.

When ever this subject comes up, someone always knows someone who is supposedly abusing the system, (but as always everyone gets tarred with the same brush) where is your proof, not saying I dont believe you, but no one, only the person who is using said transport really knows if they need it or not, so for the sake of possible abusers you would deny the truly needy, nice

 

[going/again]

I travel with my elderly mom and my grandchild, who do I leave at the bus stop?



New Bus Rules! The first in line boards, NO EXCEPTIONS!

All ECVs and chairs are to wait in the regular line!

*** Read all about it below. ***

First, a little math. I am on an ECV and I wait in line with everyone else. You come and you are in line behind me. The bus pulls up and 20 people get on. I now get on. How many toes do I crush to get to my spot?

OK, now for the real deal. I am waiting with everyone else, you are in line behind me. The bus pulls up 20 people load, two or three of which are ECV users. No place left for me. Should you go ahead and get on the bus since you can take a regular seat? Caution: If you said yes, then you would be doing the exact same thing that you just complained about ECV users doing. You nasty line cutter! I demand that you wait for the next bus, because I was there first!

Now we ALL waited for the next bus. Unfortunately the people behind me are all ticked off (again )because they had to wait because of my ECV! Deja Vue. ( Well except for those of you that think you are too good for the rules and hoped on the last bus anyway. You know who you are.)

We load, (I crush 10 toes this time and one stroller) And we get to the parks (with another half full bus due to the other ECVs that did not fit)!

Yippeeee. I get to get OFF the bus first this time!!!!! The rules are all about who is first. Forget everything else, just watch your toes because here I come again. You know, I am starting to like these new rules, but I am not so sure you are fairing any better.

Now if you are still with me, take a deep breath. Maybe instead of being upset over the ECVs loading first ( which is just logical planning) maybe we should be upset with Disney for not providing SHADE and rain protection canopies over ALL bus lines? (Maybe even add a few benches IN the line like in the MK train station?) I think if people were out of the sun and rain, and could sit some while waiting for the bus, it would make things just a bit more tolerable? Don't tell me it is too expensive. They could add shade and benches for less than the cost of a ride, a giant wand added to a geospear, a big sorcerers hat, or the next....

Sometime life is not what is fair. ( Do I ever know that one.) Maybe some things in life are just done the best they can, in general, for everyone. I think with a little shade added and a bench or two, this is what Disney is already doing. Don't count the ECVs, count your blessings.

They will never get that to much common sense in there for some.

 

[going/again]

In relation to what you wrote - why does the ADA rules come into play when there are no ADA requirements to rent these things? What I mean is, you are giving ADA protection to some people that do not have any disabilities. Makes no sense to me. I think perhaps scooters should only be rentable if there is a medical need for them - and I say that from the experience of someone that uses one for the perks - she certainly doesn't mind the view at all, finds it easy to drive with practice, shops just fine and doesn't mind getting off the bus last - I'm sure she's not alone. We saw a family of 4 - ALL were on scooters - all of them...that is either the worst tragedy and super sad or a horrible abuse and super sad - either way it's sad.

They are not allowed by law to ask for proof, so the probability is that some will abuse the system, but would you want to be the one in charge possibly denying someone who really needs one, just because you look at them and think they dont need it, I wouldnt, although it seems many of the DOCTORS in this thread would.

 

[going/again]

Honestly, I am glad that you did post.

I just want to bang my head against a wall, because I can't even begin to wrap it around all of the issues you mention that I would like to address.


What other adult do they bring?
Who pays for this?
(That is as insulting as telling you to just bring someone with an ECV or stop complaining.)

Are you going to wait your turn after the ECV person, if the ECV spaces are filled? But you want to send a bus off without filling the ECV space, right? (Did you read all of my thread before this one? )

Do your really envision loading a bus full of people and a lot of children THEN having everyone get up, move down ( and possible back off of the bus again) so an ECV can load?

The New York bus is already full, they have no choice.

There are only two ECV spaces on a bus...TWO spaces on a whole bus!
(and most ECV users do not travel with tons of family. )

That means that WORSE case scenario you are only dealing with two, 2, ECV families per.... great.... big.... honking bus.

Please, please, please rent an ECV and THEN tell me you really think people rent them to get on the bus first and that less people would rent them if this perk went away?


If you really want to spend over $200.00 a week to get on a bus first ( and off last.) you had better remember that you may walk up to the stop at the same time as Mr. & Mrs. Jones but they may load and leave you behind due to the fact that both of the whopping two ECV spaces are already filled on that bus.

And after you wait for all the people, and strollers, to exit of the bus, the real fun of your day begins while you try to safely maneuver hoards of people who seem intent on playing " Frogger" with your chair.

* Frogger= and old video game.

PS- My previous post before this one was an attempt to add a little humor to some serious points that should be considered.

$200 a week, bargain I just paid over $20.000 for My wifes new one, not bothered though as she gets to be loaded on a Disney bus first wow(IF theres room) many times at xmas we have waited for 3/4 busses before we can get on one does she complain no, do I get on one of the previous 3/4 busses and leave her, NO, the selfishness of some in this thread is remarkable, please rent one as she says for a day, then come back and tell, give us your positive feedback.

 

[Donut23]

Honestly, I am glad that you did post.

I just want to bang my head against a wall, because I can't even begin to wrap it around all of the issues you mention that I would like to address.


What other adult do they bring?
Who pays for this?
(That is as insulting as telling you to just bring someone with an ECV or stop complaining.)

Are you going to wait your turn after the ECV person, if the ECV spaces are filled? But you want to send a bus off without filling the ECV space, right? (Did you read all of my thread before this one? )

Do your really envision loading a bus full of people and a lot of children THEN having everyone get up, move down ( and possible back off of the bus again) so an ECV can load?

The New York bus is already full, they have no choice.

There are only two ECV spaces on a bus...TWO spaces on a whole bus!
(and most ECV users do not travel with tons of family. )

That means that WORSE case scenario you are only dealing with two, 2, ECV families per.... great.... big.... honking bus.

Please, please, please rent an ECV and THEN tell me you really think people rent them to get on the bus first and that less people would rent them if this perk went away?


If you really want to spend over $200.00 a week to get on a bus first ( and off last.) you had better remember that you may walk up to the stop at the same time as Mr. & Mrs. Jones but they may load and leave you behind due to the fact that both of the whopping two ECV spaces are already filled on that bus.

And after you wait for all the people, and strollers, to exit of the bus, the real fun of your day begins while you try to safely maneuver hoards of people who seem intent on playing " Frogger" with your chair.

* Frogger= and old video game.

PS- My previous post before this one was an attempt to add a little humor to some serious points that should be considered.

Please don't hit your head on that wall. Some people who make these GRAND statements are simply ignorant of the challenges on the other side. I'm not saying that is an excuse, I'm saying they simply do not know any better.....and put it in writing to ensure we ALL know ... they don't know any better.

Sure, it's no fun sharing our wonderful WDW with intolerant people.....but unfortunately, Disney does not perform a "tolerance test" prior to admitting guests.

Anyone with half a dose of common sense would realize trying to navigate in a crowd alone is reason enough to avoid scooters at all costs. I was actually stopped in a crushing crowd on Main Street when the photo pass assistant shoved me so hard, I was knocked off my scooter---I guess he was having a bad day. Not to worry, my DH is a native New Yorker. He and the crowd nearlby took care of the castmember.

The reason this is a growing problem at WDW is the ease of renting a scooter in Orlando. Without them, most of the guests you see scooting would not have the chance to visit WDW. DH and I are THRILLED this option is available.

Go.....scoot.....have fun......get a little bike bell. It's a happy little sound which drowns out the little dwarf --- you know the one....GRUMPY!

 

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if the ECV/WC person waits in line, and is say the 25th person to load and the driver says sorry its not safe, you have to wait for the next bus, that bus is then (by the rules) classed as full and no one else should be allowed to board.,

I would love to hear an answer to this from those people who think that ECVs should wait in line with everyone else. How would you like to be behind that ECV, and even though there were regular seats available, told you couldn't board because all the ECV spots were full and that person couldn't board?

Do you honstly think your wait would be shorter that way? Or that Disney wouldn't raise prices yet again because now they have half empty busses driving around and now need more busses and more drivers to move the same number of people?

The small-mindedness of some poster astounds me.