Just back from BCV on rented points

[Desperado]

Sorry, but trended repair rates for a similar property rental industry overall like car rentals carries much more weight and is more factually based than a single interview of one resort manager. Please refer to Leedy, P. & Ormrod, J. (2001) Practical Research: Planning and Design. and Sproul, Handbook of Research Methods. However, thanks for sharing the one individual's interview response, I'm sure he didn't want to chase away any business, his bias would need to be corrected for as part of factually based research approach. His statement "He also felt that owners were far more likely to report minor issues allowing their site team a chance to correct deficiencies." is very telling regarding the closer attention owners pay for upkeep and preventive maintenance and would clearly be coded as an affirmative response in an interview multivariant coding and analysis effort.

Certainly research problems arise with this question, is a broken knob the fault of the person reporting the problem or the result of abuse by previous guests causing it to reach the point of breakage. Where does one assign the root cause to and therefore attribute either to those owning or renting.

p.s. Don't forget, renting's fine with me. Data analysis indicates to me that the assertion that renters take better care of the property than owners just doesn't have factual support, where the contrary does have similar industry comparison available demonstrating the point.

OK, beat that one to death. Time to rent some extra points.

 

[Dean]

Originally posted by Desperado
Sorry, but trended repair rates for a similar property rental industry overall like car rentals carries much more weight and is more factually based than a single interview of one resort manager. Please refer to Leedy, P. & Ormrod, J. (2001) Practical Research: Planning and Design. and Sproul, Handbook of Research Methods. However, thanks for sharing the one individual's interview response, I'm sure he didn't want to chase away any business, his bias would need to be corrected for as part of factually based research approach. His statement "He also felt that owners were far more likely to report minor issues allowing their site team a chance to correct deficiencies." is very telling regarding the closer attention owners pay for upkeep and preventive maintenance and would clearly be coded as an affirmative response in an interview multivariant coding and analysis effort.

Certainly research problems arise with this question, is a broken knob the fault of the person reporting the problem or the result of abuse by previous guests causing it to reach the point of breakage. Where does one assign the root cause to and therefore attribute either to those owning or renting.

p.s. Don't forget, renting's fine with me. Data analysis indicates to me that the assertion that renters take better care of the property than owners just doesn't have factual support, where the contrary does have similar industry comparison available demonstrating the point.

OK, beat that one to death. Time to rent some extra points.

I don't see where rental car or rental house info has any bearing on timeshares, they are just too different to carry conclussions from one to another. I personally would put the impression of an experienced manager as having far more weight. Give me data analysis for timeshares. I can't think of a single industry otherwise where one could extrapolate data from and it's definitely not rental cars. Or more specifically, car owners have no resemblence to timeshare owners. So I guess we're right back where we started from.

 

[disneyberry]

IzzyQ, you sound like you had a great experience. i'm glad!

as for the thread digression... i'm probably going to regret jumping into this, but i can't resist...
i don't know for sure, but i think what Dean was trying to say was how this is a good example of why it should be no big deal for members to occasionally rent out DVC points to non-members.

basically that there shouldn't necessarily be any bias of any kind whether you rent to other DVC members or whether you rent to non-members. however, there are many on the DISboards that feel differently, and feel that we should keep our DVC points within "the DVC family" only.

 

[Desperado]

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So I guess we're right back where we started from.
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Hardly. The only case you've made is that benchmarking from other rental industries isn't a close enough comparison for you, but those differences from other industries are fact. And, while those benchmarking standards may not be good enough for you, they are in line with appropriate benchmarking practices btween like industries, please reference http://www.well.com/user/benchmar/

In addition, as you shared his statement "He also felt that owners were far more likely to report minor issues allowing their site team a chance to correct deficiencies." is very telling regarding the closer attention owners pay for upkeep and preventive maintenance.

Back where we started from? Hardly. Unable to take referenced evidence into account over unreferenced opinions, perhaps. A problem with having to have the last word? maybe. An aurgument against renting? No way, rentings fine. If it causes a little additional wear and tear, so what, OK with me. Owners tougher on the resorts than renters? Come on, get real.

 

[HumphreyBear]

You ever take really good care of your buddy's fishing pole because it wasn't yours, but threw yours in the back of your truck?

 

[Desperado]

I don't fish, and no truck.

 

[Dean]

Originally posted by Desperado
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So I guess we're right back where we started from.
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Hardly. The only case you've made is that benchmarking from other rental industries isn't a close enough comparison for you, but those differences from other industries are fact. And, while those benchmarking standards may not be good enough for you, they are in line with appropriate benchmarking practices btween like industries, please reference http://www.well.com/user/benchmar/

In addition, as you shared his statement "He also felt that owners were far more likely to report minor issues allowing their site team a chance to correct deficiencies." is very telling regarding the closer attention owners pay for upkeep and preventive maintenance.

Back where we started from? Hardly. Unable to take referenced evidence into account over unreferenced opinions, perhaps. A problem with having to have the last word? maybe. An aurgument against renting? No way, rentings fine. If it causes a little additional wear and tear, so what, OK with me. Owners tougher on the resorts than renters? Come on, get real.

We can disagree, that's ok. I don't actually dispute the rental issue, it's the idea that timeshare owners qualify under the same guise as a home or car owner that I think is an unreasonable comparison. So I will accept that a hotel room of any type is at risk and this includes timeshares. Just don't let the word owner, when it's used with timeshares, confuse you into thinking that the overall group will treat a timeshare like their own car or home. Some will and some won't.

To carry my personal thoughts a bit further. I would expect a difference between timeshare owners at fixed unit vs floating unit resorts. I would also expect a difference between owners that use their own resort routinely vs those that mostly use it for trade. I would think that members of this board would be a cut above, owner or not, due to their interest and love for Disney and DVC.

 

[Desperado]

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Just don't let the word owner, when it's used with timeshares, confuse you into thinking that the overall group will treat a timeshare like their own car or home. Some will and some won't.
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Well, I haven't seen any evidence, references or any support for this statement. Also, an interviewed source stated "owners were far more likely to report minor issues allowing their site team a chance to correct deficiencies." Face it, this is a difference that can impact the resorts, from a potentially bias source.

 

[Dean]

Originally posted by Desperado
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Just don't let the word owner, when it's used with timeshares, confuse you into thinking that the overall group will treat a timeshare like their own car or home. Some will and some won't.
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Well, I haven't seen any evidence, references or any support for this statement. Also, an interviewed source stated "owners were far more likely to report minor issues allowing their site team a chance to correct deficiencies." Face it, this is a difference that can impact the resorts, from a potentially bias source.

Nor have we seen any evidence to the contrary, certainly not from rental car data.

 

[lenshanem]

I woudl think members wodul eb more likely to taek better care of theri DVc rooms. For one, we ahve put a lot of money into this and two, as a cash or renter they might not be coming back, but as members we'll see many years at these resorts and I'm sure we'd all like for them to stay nice.
Course, I bet it is more liek soem renters don't care, soem members don't care. I think it is more the perosn and not whter you are a renter or a member.

 

[Desperado]

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"owners were far more likely to report minor issues allowing their site team a chance to correct deficiencies."
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A problem with having to have the last word?
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Hmmmm