Just Arrived, Triple Dipping

[lugnut33]

I believe I'm morally just in getting more than three FP+ for the prices I'm paying.

 

[Shaden]

I don't understand why people think they're entitled to FastPass as part of their park experience. Disney could take the whole system away and go back to the days when you stood in line for 2 hours, and people would still flock to the parks in droves.

I have seen this point so many times in one form or another and it is such terrible reasoning.

The reason why people feel "entitled" to fastpasses is because they are paying for them... They are paying for a given experience at Disney and fastpasses are a component (for many a central component) to that experience.

Its the same point people brought up about the monorail when they tried to argue that paying to stay at a monorail in no way makes you entitled to use the monorail !?!??! Seriously ? Disney advertises these things as part of your experience, and you are in fact entitled to use the things you pay for.

While its totally true that its Disney can do whatever they want, they can choose to end FP completely, absolutely. And if you don't really care about FP, then I can see why you don't think that's a big deal, or that people should be upset about it.

Of course, as I have pointed out, Disney could also decide tomorrow to fill in all the pools at Disney resorts, ... just dump bucket loads of dirt into them, they could shut down all the roller coasters, they could demolish the castle ... they can do anything they want, its their resort. But the people who are paying for a resort because it has a pool, or tickets so the can ride the coaster, or for MK entry so they can see the castle, they also have the right to be angry about it, and to complain, and to not simply "deal with it"...

 

[corinascot]

I have seen this point so many times in one form or another and it is such terrible reasoning.

... But the people who are paying for a resort because it has a pool, or tickets so the can ride the coaster, or for MK entry so they can see the castle, they also have the right to be angry about it, and to complain, and to not simply "deal with it"...

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[jonmar]

Interesting. Do you believe that there is no responsibility on the user when it comes to exploiting a system?

Not when I've been asked to test it.

 

[Laketravis]

So, just being a bit contrary, in the days when coke machines would dispense a drink if you dropped in slugs instead of coins, the fact that you "inserted a media" and it delivered a product would be not be "exploiting the system", correct?

For starters, if I knew I was dropping in slugs and not legal currency, I wouldn't just say I was exploiting the system, I would say I was committing theft.

But we aren't talking about sticking a Sam's Club card in the FP machine and getting a FastPass.

We are talking about inserting media provided by Disney, into a Disney machine, for a Disney product. If Disney reads that media and dispenses product, they have approved the transaction.

Essentially, I have made a request. Disney considered my request and approved the disbursement of product. I have no responsibility or culpability in regards to their decision.

It really is as simple as that.

 

[jonmar]

I just think it's wack the op steals parking and is totally cool with that. That's my only beef lol. Using a fp past the time window or triple dipping is not the same as cheating your way out of paying $15 a day to park. just saying. That's all, I just feel gross doing stuff like that. It doesn't make me feel good to steal and cheat (parking) even from a huge company who gave me a pubey hotel room. Everyone is different. I wouldn't feel good doing that by myself, let alone with my family along.

I'm not stealing parking. I'm not being charged for it and there is a difference. Many of you fail to turn your mind to what a 'test' is. Those that agree to take part agree to the pains and gains of what that may bring. Part of this test of MBs surely includes the CMs behavior when they see one being worn. My experience is that they assume you are staying on property. This process will of course help Disney identify areas that require further training.

Anyone else that would like to make such bold accusations should direct me to the term or condition Disney instituted at the outset that only entitled guests to those changes, nuances, quirks, errors or oversights that benefitted Disney alone.

We know when they go against the guest, they are asked to accept the inconvenience and are of course offered an apology.

 

[Laketravis]

I'm betting that those who are so quick to point the finger of moral turpitude are the same ones who have multiple email addresses that they use to register for Disney contests and promotions or setup multiple accounts to try and increase their odds of getting a free dining or room discount PIN.

And there certainly isn't anything wrong with THAT now is there?

 

[morethananyonex]

I'm betting that those who are so quick to point the finger of moral turpitude are the same ones who have multiple email addresses that they use to register for Disney contests and promotions or setup multiple accounts to try and increase their odds of getting a free dining or room discount PIN.

And there certainly isn't anything wrong with THAT now is there?

That is reprehensible. Some people are sooooo entitled, just be happy Disney even offers those things.

 

[LucyBC80]

I'm betting that those who are so quick to point the finger of moral turpitude are the same ones who have multiple email addresses that they use to register for Disney contests and promotions or setup multiple accounts to try and increase their odds of getting a free dining or room discount PIN.

And there certainly isn't anything wrong with THAT now is there?

What an awesome point you make. What makes triple dipping any different than what Laketravis posted? Nothing.

 

[jonmar]

I'm betting that those who are so quick to point the finger of moral turpitude are the same ones who have multiple email addresses that they use to register for Disney contests and promotions or setup multiple accounts to try and increase their odds of getting a free dining or room discount PIN.

And there certainly isn't anything wrong with THAT now is there?

They are also the kind that won't admit to doing it either. So really, whose being honest?

I haven't hidden a thing. I triple dipped like crazy today and rode TS five times and TOT at least that much. Do I feel bad? Not at all. After all, those staying at the value resorts have been volunteered to bear the brunt of the negative results of change so that people like me can enjoy the best experience I've ever had in the parks.

Disney has identified a pecking order and then engineered this test so that those paying the least have the worst experience. That too is a failure of the test, since it's actually people like me that pay the least (1 night), much recouped through free parking, and yet have a great experience.

 

[plumsiren]

I'm betting that those who are so quick to point the finger of moral turpitude are the same ones who have multiple email addresses that they use to register for Disney contests and promotions or setup multiple accounts to try and increase their odds of getting a free dining or room discount PIN.

And there certainly isn't anything wrong with THAT now is there?

Nope, try again. But I guess there's no point in even saying that, since people who do whatever they can get away with assume everyone else does too.

 

[PlayaMan]

For starters, if I knew I was dropping in slugs and not legal currency, I wouldn't just say I was exploiting the system, I would say I was committing theft.

But we aren't talking about sticking a Sam's Club card in the FP machine and getting a FastPass.

We are talking about inserting media provided by Disney, into a Disney machine, for a Disney product. If Disney reads that media and dispenses product, they have approved the transaction.

Essentially, I have made a request. Disney considered my request and approved the disbursement of product. I have no responsibility or culpability in regards to their decision.

It really is as simple as that.

But we are talking about people putting all sorts of non-Disney issued media into the FP machines to see if they produced an FP. There have been reports of such. Also, people taking KTTW cards from previous trips and using them at the FP machines. Have you heard of CMs encouraging guests to use KTTW cards from previous trips to obtain FPs from the FP machines?

Were does responsibility begin with the user of Disney and their products then?

If you use you MB to charge a $500 meal at Victoria & Alberts and when you check out and review your bill, is it not your responsibility to bring that to their attention because Disney "approved the disbursement of product"?

If you are at Mousegears and you buy a Disney product labeled $100 but rings up for $5 at the register, does one not have any responsibility there either because Disney "approved the disbursement of product"

Again, I do not have issues with Double Dipping with current KTTW cards but I do think it is exploiting the system to use previous KTTW cards just because the FP machines allows it.

Again, if i went to my bank's ATM and I did not even check my balance and I just wanted to withdraw $20 of my $100 I have in the bank and when I pressed the withdraw button and the ATM spits out 10 $20 bills, I still have a responsibility even though the bank "approved the disbursement of product"

It really is THAT simple

 

[Laketravis]

But we are talking about people putting all sorts of non-Disney issued media into the FP machines to see if they produced an FP.

If somebody is doing that then I would agree they are trying to game the system. But I didn't see any mention of that at all in this thread or by the OP.

All references I've seen to the media used are strictly KTTW cards or AP cards, all Disney provided material.

 

[PlayaMan]

If somebody is doing that then I would agree they are trying to game the system. But I didn't see any mention of that at all in this thread or by the OP.

All references I've seen to the media used are strictly KTTW cards or AP cards, all Disney provided material.

If I grant you that is true, then it is ok for people to use KTTW cards from previous trips and the FP machine gives them FPs, then they arent exploiting the system simply because the FP machine produces an FP? And does the user have no responsibility in regards to this?

 

[Shaden]

If I grant you that is true, then it is ok for people to use KTTW cards from previous trips and the FP machine gives them FPs, then they arent exploiting the system simply because the FP machine produces an FP? And does the user have no responsibility in regards to this?

Yes, that's perfectly ok and here is why:

Putting a slug into the machine you are getting something for nothing, and the machine isn't programed to reward you for the slug, it just can't tell the difference between the Slug and the Quarter.

The Disney machines CAN read your Disney media, they are programed TO give you an FP in return. The machines are SUPPOSED to give you the FP when you insert your KTTW card, even an old one, and then create a window when you can use that card to receive your next ...

If the coke vendor was sitting beside the coke machine and told you "hey just pop in a couple bingo chips instead, we don't mind" ... would it be morally wrong or against the rules to do so ? Because Disney CMs are telling people TO double dip....

 

[Laketravis]

If I grant you that is true, then it is ok for people to use KTTW cards from previous trips and the FP machine gives them FPs, then they arent exploiting the system simply because the FP machine produces an FP?

Yes, that is my opinion.

And does the user have no responsibility in regards to this?

Responsibility for what? I think the limit of responsibility for the user was that they used materials provided by Disney to request something from Disney.

 

[quandrea]

There is right and wrong. Many of the people on this thread don't know the difference. Just because you can get away with something doesn't make it right. Rationalize, justify, whatever. It's wrong. Not surprising but pretty disheartening to see he amoral so many people are. I know fast passes are a small thing but it's the small acts in life that prove character.

 

[Laketravis]

There is right and wrong. Many of the people on this thread don't know the difference. Just because you can get away with something doesn't make it right. Rationalize, justify, whatever. It's wrong. Not surprising but pretty disheartening to see he amoral so many people are. I know fast passes are a small thing but it's the small acts in life that prove character.

Soooooooooo........... it's also wrong to have multiple email addresses that you use to register for Disney contests and promotions or setup multiple accounts to try and increase your odds of getting a free dining or room discount PIN?

 

[Gamegrl1]

But we aren't talking about sticking a Sam's Club card in the FP machine and getting a FastPass.

We are talking about inserting media provided by Disney, into a Disney machine, for a Disney product. If Disney reads that media and dispenses product, they have approved the transaction.

Essentially, I have made a request. Disney considered my request and approved the disbursement of product. I have no responsibility or culpability in regards to their decision.

It really is as simple as that.

HOORAY! You said it so I don't have to. And we leave for our first ever trip in 17 days with MB & paper passes in hand.

 

[Postal68]

Went to MK today after spending a night at Port Orleans Ghettoside motel in order to use FP+. Anyhow, park tickets purchased separately from Disney, as well as KTTW cards pulled paper fast passes independently of each other and FP+ was not affected. The park was very busy.

Glad to see you are being a glutton and screwing other people out of a nice vacation.