Okay, maybe I have some sort of answer to the MK issue? We just got back from our July 1-11 trip. We had originally planned on Epcot for the 4th, but ended up over at MK instead after almost everyone we talked with said those fireworks were not to be missed. So we headed there about 6ish, and settled in to the same spot we had viewed Wishes from a few nights prior. It was to the left of the castle by that fenced grassy area in front of the Crystal Palace. We loved that little area where the fence curved, allowing us more room for our dbl. stroller and 5 and 1 year olds to stretch. We missed some of the low stuff, but saw most of it just perfectly. So, we settled in about 7:00 or so right there and enjoyed duck and people watching while the place just got JAM PACKED. I was soooo glad that I had planned to get there a bit early to get a spot. Anyway, about 8:35 or so, it was VERY CROWDED and we watched a family of about 12 people climb over the fence at the grassy area next to the castle and tromp over to our area. This caused a HUGE, HUGE procession of people to follow suit and pretty soon, that entire HUGE grassy area was FULLLLLLL of tons of people. Now, some were trying to get to the other side, but there just wasn't room and then they started trying to climb the fence right in our area and I was doing my darndest to try to keep my babes from being squished by people's feet coming over...it was REALLY DARK and there was only one cast member in the area and people were just not listening to him. Anyway, we are talking LOADS and LOADS of people started trompling the fenced in bushes and plants and others were just standing there about 10 deep in front of us, which of course blocked the view entirely and people who had been waiting started getting REALLY angry, with cussing and threats going on from both sides (I tried to stay out of all of this, but when some teenager who had crossed he fence started telling people to F--- off REALLY loudly in front of my kids, I told him to shut his trap, he was in front of children). At about 10 till 9 it was CHAOS over there you guys! Was anyone else privy to this experience?!??! It got really scary for a while and then the cops came and were screaming and people were trying to scatter...it was scary because people were NOT watching where they were stepping and there was just no place to move. So, I THINK that may have been the delay because at 9:02 the cops were still out in front of us trying to get the mob under control. Ended up, I swear, probably 500+ people came through that one area we sat in and when the show started, the cops just told the people to sit down. The cast members (by now about 3-4) just were helpless...I felt really bad for them (and the poor plants and bushes that were left there trampled). My take on this...I KNOW it was crowded, by golly, but geez, Louise, it is the 4th of July and it doesn't take too much to know you need to find a place early and sit it, buddy

. Fences are fences, keep out and stay put for 5 minutes like the rest of us. I don't know if this whole parade of people started out for some reason, but for sure it was a case of monkey see, monkey do for many of the rest of them and it just made it a really unpleasant experience in our area. The show itself was nice, I thought, but I too though they would stick it on the end of Wishes and honestly, by the time that whole fiasco occured, I was just happy to have safe kids and to get back to my hotel room....anyone else have any perspective on this if you were there?