JonBenet Ramsey

[Decorated_Dust]

When this case was going on, there was a slight "blip" in the news concerning the Brother of Jon Benet "perhaps" having a hand in her death.....than, it was squashed. I kind of still believe HE had something to do with it, and the parents covered it up.

I do agree that makes sense. The only problem is that the brother was 9 at the time. I don't know many 9-year-olds who can pull something like that off without being a certified psychopath.

 

[TheZue]

Well with the updated technology they've found DNA on the inside of her underwear that doesn't match any family members or anyone at the party. There was also a shoe print they never followed up on that didn't match anyone associated with the family either. It's pretty clear the case was horribly botched at the time. I don't know why people assume since whoever did it acted irrationally automatically means the family did it, it's not like killing a six year old is rational. And if somebody outside the house did write that note it was the smartest thing they could have done since it totally threw everone off.

 

[OceanAnnie]

Well with the updated technology they've found DNA on the inside of her underwear that doesn't match any family members or anyone at the party. There was also a shoe print they never followed up on that didn't match anyone associated with the family either. It's pretty clear the case was horribly botched at the time. I don't know why people assume since whoever did it acted irrationally automatically means the family did it, it's not like killing a six year old is rational. And if somebody outside the house did write that note it was the smartest thing they could have done since it totally threw everone off.

It was a long, handwritten letter and strange. It did make me wonder how someone would have the time and presence of mind to write such a letter when most perpetrators would cover their tracks and run. Quite odd.

The whole case and how it was handled was heartbreaking.

 

[TheZue]

It was a long, handwritten letter and strange. It did make me wonder how someone would have the time and presence of mind to write such a letter when most perpetrators would cover their tracks and run. Quite odd.

The whole case and how it was handled was heartbreaking.

I've always wondered that too, but for me it being weird isn't enough to jump to mom and dad must have done it. I honestly think it was probably some absolute nut job and the police were so busy looking at the family and not securing the crime scene they lost a lot of evidence and leads went cold . Either way the entire scenario is sad.

 

[OceanAnnie]

I've always wondered that too, but for me it being weird isn't enough to jump to mom and dad must have done it. I honestly think it was probably some absolute nut job and the police were so busy looking at the family and not securing the crime scene they lost a lot of evidence and leads went cold . Either way the entire scenario is sad.

It is weird, but I don't think the parents, nor the young brother had a hand in it.

Remember that guy that came forward and stated he was at the open house and admitted everything? I didn't know what to think of him, other than he was scary and didn't seem quite all there. He knew a lot of details, but was wrong about some too. A lot of odd twists and turns in this case.

 

[Loverly]

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TLC TRACES FAMILIES IN THE CHILD BEAUTY PAGEANT CIRCUIT WITH ALL NEW DOCU-SERIES "TODDLERS AND TIARAS"

New York, NY November 19, 2008 In late January, TLC will premiere TODDLERS AND TIARAS, a captivating new series that goes behind-the-scenes of the child beauty pageant world, and profiles a number of young contestants from all different ages and backgrounds, as well as their fanatical parents.

"The appeal and success of Little Miss Sunshine illustrates that this competitive world really exists," explains Howard Lee, VP of Production for TLC. "These children and their parents pour so much energy into wanting to win and it's fascinating to watch."

Each week, TODDLERS AND TIARAS takes viewers inside the world of youth pageantry to witness the demanding lifestyles of these pint-sized beauties. Every hour-long episode follows a different group of contestants, vying for the coveted crown. This compelling series showcases the traditional elements of child pageants, jam-packed with stage moms and dads, hair extensions, spray tanning, makeup and glitter. Moreover, this series also features extremely non-traditional and modern aspects of the pageant scene, from girls entering the competitive landscape with less makeup and a more natural look, to child beauty pageants featuring boys mixed into the competition.

Viewers also witness how the drama unfolds throughout these various pageants, with details such as overzealous mothers and fathers having meltdowns leading up to and during the pageants, and other behind-the-scenes mishaps. A certain father, who undoubtedly takes the pageant life to the extreme while sewing his daughters gowns, diligently teaching her dance routines, and storming out when he is dissatisfied with the results of the competition truly demonstrates how intense this cultural phenomenon has become.

TODDLERS AND TIARAS is produced by Authentic Entertainment.

 

[DisneyMomOK]

Well with the updated technology they've found DNA on the inside of her underwear that doesn't match any family members or anyone at the party. There was also a shoe print they never followed up on that didn't match anyone associated with the family either. It's pretty clear the case was horribly botched at the time. I don't know why people assume since whoever did it acted irrationally automatically means the family did it, it's not like killing a six year old is rational. And if somebody outside the house did write that note it was the smartest thing they could have done since it totally threw everone off.

That is what my Aunt (the Boulder resident) believed, too. Despite the fact the then DA tried his hardest during a Grand Jury to indict the family (and only his side was presented to the GJ), an indictment was never returned, meaning any actual evidence he had was not as convincing as that played out in newspapers with various "leaks" and "sources". The poor brother (who has been vindicated beyond doubt because of the DNA of an unknown male on both her panties and pajamas) has faced the worst of all horror stories, IMO. He is approximately my own son's age and I cannot imagine how terrible it must be for him to continue to be crucified by people who have no inkling what the truth is, but "think" or "feel" he is guilty because years ago they "read something" in some tabloid cashing in on a little girl's sordid murder. Patsy dressed JonBenet up in costumes, entered her in beauty pageants and paid dearly for her, IMO, questionable parenting decisions in the world of public opinion; however, her brother did nothing more than be her brother and he still faces unsupportable accusations.

 

[Becky2005]

Im not sure who did it, but its sad that the media could destroys life's with out proof

And this is why I have an inherent distrust of the media. I would be one of those people that everyone would assume guilty because the very first thing I would do is hire a lawyer in any type of front page news case.

DH had a family member involved in something that "never happens here" and made front page news type of stuff. After that incident, my attitude changed and I would definitely not trust anyone in the media and things aren't always as they appear.

It's hard to believe it's been that long for JonBenet but I'm guessing even if someone were to say "I did it" with a gazillion things to prove it, people would still believe her parents/brother had something to do with it because they have already made up their minds.

 

[SereneOne]

I think a pedophile or two had something to do with JBR death. Pedophiles gravitate to jobs and places that children are at--school, church...pageants. I think they knew the family through the pageant circuit and that is why they where so privy to certain details.

Poor baby...

 

[Feralpeg]

No, nothing changes. The public and the media want someone to hate. They'll jump on the easiest target. Innocent until proven guilty went out the window with mass media. Sad.

 

[yeartolate]

Parents villified???

I think they brought on the scrutiny themselves. They needed to be forthright and open from minute one. Questioning was stalled. Prescious hours were lost. If my kid was missing, I would not care how my words might incriminate me or my family. I would an open book. I would et them know whatever they needed to know immediatly and without a lawyer present.

 

[MoniqueU]

I just heard on the news that the new DA in boulder will be taking another look at the case and that he isn't exactly of the mindset that the family had nothing to do with it.

Also the size of the brother at the time I don't think would have enabled him to kill her with such force. I think IIRC the gash in her head was more then 2 inches deep and was the equivilent of dropping her off a ten story building. Her brother at the time had a very slight build.

There was also the pineapple still in her stomach that no one claims she ate.

Also the DNA in her underware could of come from anywhere including the manufacturer of the underwear if they were brand new. People touch stuff all the time, I don't recall that it was blood, semen or any other bodily fluid that produced that DNA.

Also the father ripping the duct tape off her mouth and performing cpr on her when she was clearly dead contaminated the scene.

The note was also odd as pointed out earlier and it was said to have been written by someone with their left hand that was a righty trying to disguise their handwriting. A random unknown person would have no reason to disguise their handwriting.

So no I don't think the parents are cleared in my mind by a long stretch.
There were other hinky things too like Jonbenets dad taking off the morning they were searching for her for awhile according to fleet white.

 

[SereneOne]

Parents villified???

I think they brought on the scrutiny themselves. They needed to be forthright and open from minute one. Questioning was stalled. Prescious hours were lost. If my kid was missing, I would not care how my words might incriminate me or my family. I would an open book. I would et them know whatever they needed to know immediatly and without a lawyer present.

No, one does not. Cops and so called other authorities love to close cases, quite often making the innocent into criminals. How many times have we seen tapes of cops bullying people into confessing? Making them go without sleep and food, etc.? While it is true that the number one killer of children is their own parents, stranger abductions and murders are on the rise. This case was totally compromised from the beginning.

I had a personal experience, not to this magnitude, but where my wallet was stolen and someone used my checks and credit cards many years ago. The so called cops where so busy trying to pin it on me, I had to end up going to court to clear my name. After the fact, they found the real perpetrators who had gone around pick pocketing people and going on shopping sprees. I was not the only victim, they just wanted to close the case and since I lived in a very poor neighborhood, I of course had to be a criminal, although I had no record not even a speeding ticket and continue to have a clean record. I still have credit issues because of this fiasco, although it is much better than it was and this happened almost 15 years ago.

 

[yeartolate]

Sorry, but if it was my kid, I would be so transparent and there wouldd't be a lawyer in sight. What ever they need to know to go foward. Stalling wasted prescious time. If Jon Benet had been alive at the time (but in a desperate situation) the stalling might have killed her.

The stalling made them look guilty.

 

[janette]

Also the father ripping the duct tape off her mouth and performing cpr on her when she was clearly dead contaminated the scene.

So no I don't think the parents are cleared in my mind by a long stretch.
There were other hinky things too like Jonbenets dad taking off the morning they were searching for her for awhile according to fleet white.

Her father should have never been allowed to wander the house; it was a crime scene from the beginning and should have been treated like it. They even allowed friends to come over. I don't see how they'll ever be able to convict anyone based on the mess made of the investigation. Once the Ramsey's realized what a mess it was and that they were the prime suspects I don't blame them for their reluctance to cooperate fully.

 

[Bluestars]

Also the DNA in her underware could of come from anywhere including the manufacturer of the underwear if they were brand new. People touch stuff all the time, I don't recall that it was blood, semen or any other bodily fluid that produced that DNA.

Also the father ripping the duct tape off her mouth and performing cpr on her when she was clearly dead contaminated the scene.

The note was also odd as pointed out earlier and it was said to have been written by someone with their left hand that was a righty trying to disguise their handwriting. A random unknown person would have no reason to disguise their handwriting.

So no I don't think the parents are cleared in my mind by a long stretch.
There were other hinky things too like Jonbenets dad taking off the morning they were searching for her for awhile according to fleet white.

I agree. The DNA does not mean someone else murdered her, wrote the note, and then hid the body. It just means there is unexplained DNA that is from a source other than the girl. For all we know the girl could have been inappropriately touched by someone, told her parents, they freaked out, and so on.

I think the letter is the most suspicious piece of evidence. Also, I thought I read that the mother was wearing the same clothes in the morning that she wore the night before. I could be wrong on this, because I have read a lot on the subject and may be confused.

If it were me, I would have taken a lie detector test. I don't care what anyone says, I would have myself ruled out as a suspect as soon as possible. I think the father of kidnapped and murdered girl Polly Klause (sp?) gave that advice.

 

[DisneyMomOK]

I just heard on the news that the new DA in boulder will be taking another look at the case and that he isn't exactly of the mindset that the family had nothing to do with it.


Also the DNA in her underware could of come from anywhere including the manufacturer of the underwear if they were brand new. People touch stuff all the time, I don't recall that it was blood, semen or any other bodily fluid that produced that DNA.

I read the press release and do not see where the incoming DA considers the family guilty.

The DNA in JonBenet's underwear matches DNA found on the long john pajama bottom's waist band. The underwear DNA was bodily fluid and the pajamas was "touch DNA". Two different pieces of clothing with the same DNA precludes the chance of DNA transference from a manufacturing scenario. The "touch DNA" is new technology.

 

[SereneOne]

Sorry, but if it was my kid, I would be so transparent and there wouldd't be a lawyer in sight. What ever they need to know to go foward. Stalling wasted prescious time. If Jon Benet had been alive at the time (but in a desperate situation) the stalling might have killed her.

The stalling made them look guilty.

Stalling? The child was found dead.

 

[TheZue]

Her father should have never been allowed to wander the house; it was a crime scene from the beginning and should have been treated like it. They even allowed friends to come over. I don't see how they'll ever be able to convict anyone based on the mess made of the investigation. Once the Ramsey's realized what a mess it was and that they were the prime suspects I don't blame them for their reluctance to cooperate fully.

Ya I think if it came to the point when it was obvious they weren't looking for my child but trying to nail me and I had nothing to do with it I'd be running for my laywer as well. Fortunately ours is a friend of the family and would be there quickly enough that time wouldn't be much of an issue. I think the only people who undoubtly screwed this all up were the cops. Could it have been the parents? Maybe but honestly nobody will EVER be able to prove anything because of those cops.

 

[DisneyMomOK]

No, one does not. Cops and so called other authorities love to close cases, quite often making the innocent into criminals. How many times have we seen tapes of cops bullying people into confessing? Making them go without sleep and food, etc.? While it is true that the number one killer of children is their own parents, stranger abductions and murders are on the rise. This case was totally compromised from the beginning.

I had a personal experience, not to this magnitude, but where my wallet was stolen and someone used my checks and credit cards many years ago. The so called cops where so busy trying to pin it on me, I had to end up going to court to clear my name. After the fact, they found the real perpetrators who had gone around pick pocketing people and going on shopping sprees. I was not the only victim, they just wanted to close the case and since I lived in a very poor neighborhood, I of course had to be a criminal, although I had no record not even a speeding ticket and continue to have a clean record. I still have credit issues because of this fiasco, although it is much better than it was and this happened almost 15 years ago.

How terrible for you; doubly victimized.

Anyone who believes law enforcement and our legal system will always do the right thing is living in a dream world. Pressure to close cases and tie up loose ends too often means the wrong person ends up accused.