JonBenet Ramsey - Do you think her Mother murdered her?

[VSL]

That link is making an incredible amount of assumptions (not to mention that, as mentioned by a PP, the stun gun theory has been refuted).

Also, it says that the top picture is the last one of JonBenet, but I thought this this picture was the last one (taken less than 24hrs before the murder):


And this sounds crazy:
'While the Ramsey's were out on the 25th he broke into the Ramsey house and eventually left with a filched pad and sharpie pen. He also stole a pocket knife that he found in the pull-up cabinet. At home he wrote and rewrote the note until it sounded, in his own mind, the authentic work of a foreign faction.'

 

[Cyndirella]

why would said "intruder" leave a ransom note -- one that conveniently mentioned a ransom figure that just happened to be the same as John Ramsey's 1996 bonus, and written on paper from the parents bedroom --and then kill/leave the supposed "kidnap victim" in the house?

The notepads weren't from the parents' bedroom. This is a passage from Steve Thomas' book (ex-BPD detective). He is convinced Patsy did it, so I have no doubt that if the notepads were found in the bedroom he would have made a huge issue out of it.

When asked for handwriting samples:

"Without hesitation John Ramsey had picked up two tablets of white lined paper-one from a countertop and the other from a hallway table a few steps from the spiral staircase-and handed them to the policeman."

It was later determined that the paper the ramsom note was written on came from one of those tablets - the one used by Patsy.

"They don't look like stun gun marks at all. A stun gun injury is an electrical burn, it's a burn essentially. And these aren't burns."

Have you seen them? They do look like burns - actually like the skin was singed.

I agree...there are some things that just don't add up for the intruder theory and I can't answer your questions about why she was taken to the basement. As for the careful arrangement of the body - what if, at the point it became a murder, the intruder decided to make it look as though the parents were involved? If he removed the body from the house, that would probably make the chances greater that he would be caught. If he left it behind, he would know that the parents would be under heavy suspicion.

But equally, there are things that don't add up for the parents-did-it theory - what about the male DNA?

That's what makes this case so interesting and I like to hear other viewpoints on it.

 

[SueM in MN]

But equally, there are things that don't add up for the parents-did-it theory - what about the male DNA?

That's what makes this case so interesting and I like to hear other viewpoints on it.

A number of DNA experts, including Dr. Lee, have said that the DNA in this case is probably not a factor at all. It was a very small amount of DNA and could have come from handling the underwear (such as by someone in the factory where it was made sneezing or touching it as they packaged it).

 

[tinatark]

If the original intent was to kidnap her - then JB was accidentally killed - I could see her body being left in the house - otherwise what would they have done with her?

The official cause of death suggests an accidental killing - whether it was her parents, in a fit of rage, or an intruder, as she was being forcibly removed from the house.

If she was accidentally killed, I could see the other stuff being done as a cover to the murder, whether it was her parents or an intruder.

I still say the bonus $ (which was paid in February, I read somewhere) was not as confidential as it seemed - either in reports at the company or even by word of mouth within the Ramsay's social circle.

 

[Lynn CC]

No I don't think either parent murdered her. I think it's a shame that they had to endure all that after losing their child.

 

[California Girl]

I think the mother could have done it.

I am no expert on following the case. But, every time I have seen that woman, it just did not sit right with me. Made my skin crawl.

Also, beauty pageants are one thing, but the way that girl was dressed, and 'trained' to wink and nod and smile like she just walked down the staircase in the 'Best Little Wh0rehouse in Texas'... That turned my stomache.

Even if there was an accomplice, the mother was involved.
There was evil in that house.
No doubt about it.

Thought bumping this up would be fun. See how right everyone was. This was my favorite.

 

[JoyG]

Thought bumping this up would be fun. See how right everyone was. This was my favorite.

Oohh you little pot stirrer! I was thinking about bumping this same thread!

 

[Buckalew11]

i never even saw this thread! I didn't know Patsy Ramsey had died until tonight. I never thought the parents did it. Probably because I have a hard time believing any parent could kill their child but we all know it happens.

 

[Cyndirella]

I thought about this thread too! I had posted here earlier that I didn't think the parents had anything to do with it. I am SO glad they have made an arrest in this case...I never thought we would see one.

I hope a lot of the mysteries surrounding it are eventually cleared up - like what the heck is 'S.B.T.C.' ? (The signature on the ransom note)

 

[mom2taylorandemily]

I feel bad for Patsy Ramsey, here she was trying for years to defend herself until her death. She went to the grave having the general American public believing that she was a horrible woman who murdered her own child. I think there are a few people who owe this dead woman an apology. I realize that the officials did what they thought was best but I'm not convinced that the police didn't botch the case. And the real murderer got away. I am glad that the Ramsey's name has been cleared, at least for now.

 

[Allison]

I feel bad for Patsy Ramsey, here she was trying for years to defend herself until her death. She went to the grave having the general American public believing that she was a horrible woman who murdered her own child. I think there are a few people who owe this dead woman an apology. I realize that the officials did what they thought was best but I'm not convinced that the police didn't botch the case. And the real murderer got away. I am glad that the Ramsey's name has been cleared, at least for now.

I heard tonight on the news that the police disclosed to her before she died that they were very close to making an arrest.

 

[mom2taylorandemily]

I heard tonight on the news that the police disclosed to her before she died that they were very close to making an arrest.

I'm glad, maybe she is resting in peace and enjoying the company of her beautiful daughter again in heaven.

 

[Allison]

I'm glad, maybe she is resting in peace and enjoying the company of her beautiful daughter again in heaven.

 

[aunt kelly]

I knew someone would resurrect this thread!

Back in June, I stated that I thought the Boulder police had bungled the investigation so badly, I didn't think the crime would ever be solved. The news of the arrest gives me new hope that the crime will be solved.

It is so tragic to think that JonBenet would be a teenager now. I can't imagine how much her brother and father miss her. Today's news must be so bittersweet to them.

 

[California Girl]

bumping

 

[Mermaid02]

Thought bumping this up would be fun. See how right everyone was. This was my favorite.

"fun" ? That's some sense of humor.

I really thought the Mom or someone in the house was involved. This is why we have the legal system..... so we don't lynch innocent people.

I also think this is a prime example of the media having too much info (or misinformation) and throwing it out there. Law enforcement knew more than we did (or needed to).

Edited to add: The whole Kiddie Beauty Pageant thing still creeps me out. It's like a smorgasbord for pedophiles. Are these things still popular in some parts of the country?

 

[tinatark]

If the original intent was to kidnap her - then JB was accidentally killed - I could see her body being left in the house - otherwise what would they have done with her?

The official cause of death suggests an accidental killing - whether it was her parents, in a fit of rage, or an intruder, as she was being forcibly removed from the house.

If she was accidentally killed, I could see the other stuff being done as a cover to the murder, whether it was her parents or an intruder.

I still say the bonus $ (which was paid in February, I read somewhere) was not as confidential as it seemed - either in reports at the company or even by word of mouth within the Ramsay's social circle.

Wow - he says her death was an accident... I also read some of the emails he was sending with the details were rumored to be to PATSY

http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/08/17/ramsey.arrest/index.html

 

[beachblanket]

I am glad that the Ramsey's name has been cleared, at least for now.

Cleared? Until all the details come out on this "confession," that's --- to be polite -- a rush to judgement. There are still many open issues on this case, particularly regarding authorship the "ransom" note. Hopefully, interrogation of Mark Karr will finally close them.

 

[mom2taylorandemily]

Cleared? Until all the details come out on this "confession," that's --- to be polite -- a rush to judgement. There are still many open issues on this case, particularly regarding authorship the "ransom" note. Hopefully, interrogation of Mark Karr will finally close them.

If you'll notice I said "FOR NOW.' I also said that it would have been nice for this to have happened before she died. I for one never believed she had anything to do with JonBenet's murder, nor did I think her dad had anything to do with it. I did question the older brother once, but once the police cleared him, I knew it was someone other than the family. So, maybe I did have a rush to judgement, but it was MY OPINION.

 

[beachblanket]

If you'll notice I said "FOR NOW.'

I did notice that, and the way those terms were used, they implied that the annoucement that a suspect has confessed mandated that any suspicions of the Ramseys had to immediately be put on hold. I was simply disagreeing with that opinion. Until a court rules that Karr is solely guilty for the crime, existing suspects (particularly in terms of involvement/support, not necessarily the murder itself) are still open to discussion and consideration.