JonBenet Ramsey - a question for those who follow this story

[alphatruth]

how about the ramsey maid? she said mrs ramsey did it. maid had hidden a knife with the clean sheets. this knife was found by jonbenet's body. according to maid. of course she makes 100k for such a story.

 

[moon]

It's the way you present them that makes them sound like the theories of the internet.
You stated things in skewed way. That's fine but own that. Don't make it seem like your just objectively starting facts.
Also, Patsy didnt wear a dress the night before before. Yes, she had on the same clothes.
Burke being on the 911 call is just speculation. Nobody was really proven that to be true. It's hardly a fact.
The Ramseys were told very early on that they being targeted as suspected. They knew the police were out to get them. The police even leaked false information to the media and going on tv making veiled but obvious statements about the Ramseys. . So yeah, the weren't exactly helpful to the police
Yes not waking up Burke seems weird but it's less weird when you consider it was before 6am. Burke was up and sent off with family friends very early, 7 I think. It's not like they were pretending he was sleeping and hiding him in his room all morning.

Skewed? How? Own it? Yes, Everyone is objective except for me. GMAB. Some people are posting all kind of theories that exonerate the family, but the fact is that NOBODY knows what happened. Maybe they are innocent...then again, maybe they are not. I don't think we will ever know. Do I think Patsy behavior in this instance and in general was odd? Yes, I do, and I don't see why if we are discussing this case, no one seems to be allowed to point that out. Unless you are 100% convinced of their innocence, looks like you should not post on this thread. OK, whatever

 

[sunshinehighway]

Skewed? How? Own it? Yes, Everyone is objective except for me. GMAB. Some people are posting all kind of theories that exonerate the family, but the fact is that NOBODY knows what happened. Maybe they are innocent...then again, maybe they are not. I don't think we will ever know. Do I think Patsy behavior in this instance and in general was odd? Yes, I do, and I don't see why if we are discussing this case, no one seems to be allowed to point that out. Unless you are 100% convinced of their innocence, looks like you should not post on this thread. OK, whatever

It's the way you present it and then got in huffy when when someone said it sounded like internet theories. Some of what you wrote is exactly that.
The idea that Burke is on the 911 call is completely rumour.
You said the Ramsey's refused to cooperate very early on, when they thought Jonbenet was still alive. That's not a fact.
Aa far as your facts being presented in a skewed why, well they were. That's fine but again, don't get indignant that your just starting facts when that's not really what you are doing.

You said the Ramsey's wouldn't wake Burke up to ask if he'd heard anything.
Well, that's not really just the facts.

The Ramsey's woke Burke up early in the morning and sent him to the home of a family friend where he was away from police scrutiny.
The Ramseys woke Burke up at 7 when he was sent to a family friend's home.

See how the different wording changes the fact that Burke wasn't immediately woken up upon finding the note? If it's part fact part speculation or opinion, it shouldn't be passed off as fact
It's not that you have to think the Ramsey's are innocent. It's just don't get huffy when someone points out you're just repeating old rumors that drive all the wild theories. Don't speculate and then get mad and insist you're just stating facts.

 

[Disneychick75]

I know everyone is different when it comes to personal and private matters, but if my kid has anger issues, so much so that he's purposely hitting his sister with a golf club, that simply isn't something I'm going to blab to friends. That's a private matter that I want to share with as few as possible. Patsy struck me as someone who was all about her image and reputation. Seems odd that she'd share something like that that would likely cause the gossip mill to turn among their social circle.

The woman arrived not long after the incident. Maybe Patsy was caught off guard. Just posting what the woman said.

 

[Disneychick75]

There's a lot to be explained about what "reviewed the autopsy results means".

Reviewed is my term. Both doctors concurred which surprised me because I had always read that JonBenet had been molested. Of course, I had also read that her doctor supposedly thought molestation was what caused her frequent urinary tract infections.

 

[Disneychick75]

Everyone has their opinions.
Me? I'm a little suspicious of information from "friends" that are discussing what Patsy told them to a TV show. Most real friends don't gossip about their dead friends.

She was asked the question and answered it. So, if someone hears something first hand from a friend or their family and it might help people investigating a murder, they should keep it to himself or herself because it could be construed as gossip? I'll have to tell this to my friends who are judges and attorneys as well as those in law enforcement. I don't think they're aware that good manners trump their investigations and justice.

 

[gwynne]

She was asked the question and answered it. So, if someone hears something first hand from a friend or their family and it might help people investigating a murder, they should keep it to himself or herself because it could be construed as gossip? I'll have to tell this to my friends who are judges and attorneys as well as those in law enforcement. I don't think they're aware that good manners trump their investigations and justice.

There is a big difference between chatting about your dead friend on a tv show and making a statement to law enforcement or in a court of law.

 

[nugov2]

She was asked the question and answered it. So, if someone hears something first hand from a friend or their family and it might help people investigating a murder, they should keep it to himself or herself because it could be construed as gossip? I'll have to tell this to my friends who are judges and attorneys as well as those in law enforcement. I don't think they're aware that good manners trump their investigations and justice.

Plus I'm not convinced she was even truly a friend. She was an acquaintance who took photos of JBR, not someone in the Ramsey's inner circle. She was quick to sell and release photos when this case was ongoing even when the Ramsey's asked her not to. This case has been a cash cow for her. She is slime.

 

[sunshinehighway]

As far as I can tell, this good club incident happened over a year (a year and a half, I think)before the murder. I think he was 7 and she was 4 at the time it occurred.
So over a year before the murder there was an incident where Jonbenet was hit with a golf club by Burke. It was either accidental or intentional, we really don't know. Then she's brutal strangled and her skull bashed. That's it..no in between incidents that we know. It's a big leap.

 

[Disneychick75]

There is a big difference between chatting about your dead friend on a tv show and making a statement to law enforcement or in a court of law.

Gee, having worked in a law office for years, I never would have known that.
Those of you who think the Ramsey family are all in the clear, please give your reasons. It's good to hear arguments from both sides.

 

[kidshop]

Gee, having worked in a law office for years, I never would have known that.
Those of you who think the Ramsey family are all in the clear, please give your reasons. It's good to hear arguments from both sides.

New information to me was on dr Phil when Burke said he was downstairs after everyone was in bed to play with a toy. (Maybe with a flashlight, maybe ate pineapple) John had said before he stayed up with him, but that is not what Burke said.

It is all so curious. It's like the Ramsey's have no self awareness. I almost think dr Phil was worse for Burke than the cbs special.

 

[sunshinehighway]

Gee, having worked in a law office for years, I never would have known that.
Those of you who think the Ramsey family are all in the clear, please give your reasons. It's good to hear arguments from both sides.

In my opinion there just isn't anything that really says one of them is guilty.
Burke was 9, no way he's strangling and bashing his sister on the head. He's also wouldn't have held up under any questioning. If he were capable of that, he'd be a hard core psychopath or something.
It makes no sense that either parent brutually murdered her either. She was strangled before she was dead and I do think the marks on her chin indicate she was conscious. If she were conscious then any theories about a cover-up go out the window. Why would her parents do that to her, because she wet the bed? It doesn't make sense.
It being an accidental hit on the head and cover-up doesn't fit, in my opinion, either. No halfway normal person would either accidentally knock their kid unconscious or find out another kid did and then decide to stage a murder instead of taking her to the hospital. She was still alive. They would've called for help.
For me, there's just too many leaps and backflips to go through to make them guilty.

 

[msjprincess]

Gee, having worked in a law office for years, I never would have known that.
Those of you who think the Ramsey family are all in the clear, please give your reasons. It's good to hear arguments from both sides.

There's not one specific thing that makes me think they are innocent. But I also have not seen one thing that makes me think they're guilty.

 

[mi*vida*loca]

This is her husband http://www.tommillerlaw.com/jonbenet-ramsey/

That seems like a bizarre thing to have on his professional website. Actuall his whole website is odd. Maybe I'm weird but I wouldn't be hiring a lawyer who has a section on his website for his poetry.

 

[cabanafrau]

Reviewed is my term. Both doctors concurred which surprised me because I had always read that JonBenet had been molested. Of course, I had also read that her doctor supposedly thought molestation was what caused her frequent urinary tract infections.

My point is, what did they actually review? If you've ever witnessed a medical examiner testify about a death and their post mortem procedure and results, you will understand why there's lots of room to question their review.

 

[cabanafrau]

Gee, having worked in a law office for years, I never would have known that.
Those of you who think the Ramsey family are all in the clear, please give your reasons. It's good to hear arguments from both sides.[/QUOTE/]

Statistically speaking only, the family should be the most likely suspects. They are also most likely the people to love her more than anyone else and care about and be invested in her wellbeing more than anyone else

 

[RainbowBrite]

They did hold it up to a picture, so no not very credible. Though out of the whole show was the only thing they introduced that made me think maybe...not because it linked burke...just maybe it was used.

My biggest issue with the cbs special is not one of the experts played devils advocate or asked any questions to really counter the theories.

The underwear they ran tests on to prove the existence of dna on all underwear was a faulty experiment. They don't even know or never mention if JBR underwear were washed. If hers were washed this whole experiment is meaningless. Why didn't they reconstruct how that dna could then easily transfer to a wasteband like they were claiming. They didn't because the chance of that dna transferring from her underwear to her pants is nearly impossible and would never hold up in court.

Her underwear were not washed. The underwear were actually slightly too big for her and were taken from a package of brand new underwear Patsy said she bought for JonBenet's cousin.

 

[gwynne]

Gee, having worked in a law office for years, I never would have known that.
Those of you who think the Ramsey family are all in the clear, please give your reasons. It's good to hear arguments from both sides.

I continue to read about the case. I haven't formed a firm opinion. And I agree that respectful discussion is interesting and helpful.

 

[nugov2]

Her underwear were not washed. The underwear were actually slightly too big for her and were taken from a package of brand new underwear Patsy said she bought for JonBenet's cousin.

Thanks...i have never read if they were or not.

For me it still doesn't explain how it got on her waistband and under her fingernails. I don't buy the transfer dna theory. Just too unlikely that would happen. I notice the "experts" didn't experiment to show how that could easily happen.

 

[Hikergirl]

Thanks...i have never read if they were or not.

For me it still doesn't explain how it got on her waistband and under her fingernails. I don't buy the transfer dna theory. Just too unlikely that would happen. I notice the "experts" didn't experiment to show how that could easily happen.

Was there DNA found under her nails?