JonBenet Ramsey - a question for those who follow this story

[goofy !]

And the members there, me included, are very anxiously awaiting the 3 part CBS show and DR Phil show coming up.

from what is being advertised here in Boulder, the 3 part story is focusing on evidence that shows it was an outside killer, not the family or anyone close to them.

 

[lovin'fl]

I agree the LE messed up. I agree that the 'telephone game' has been played. But the general timeline is what I posted at first and someone said was all false...
LE searched and found nothing and did not go in 'wine cellar' cause of latch
John and the White guy searched and the White guy went in room, did not turn on light and did not see JBR
John and the White guy searched again at the suggestion of LE and John went in room and immediately saw JBR, yelled out, took tape off her mouth and carried her upstairs

All of this was said by John and shown in footage on various shows.

 

[lovin'fl]

Question about the 'wine cellar' latch. Why did they have a latch on the outside of the room and up at the top of the door...was it ever said what they needed to lock in? I think I recall they hid Xmas gifts in there???? And it wasn't really a wine cellar but an unfinished cement windowless room they stored some junk in.

 

[cabanafrau]

Exactly. It is not that the timeline itself is completely off, but there are so many embellishments added on to it now that weren't there 20 years ago. Mainly put there by so called internet experts.

Our Barney Fife and company sleepy police force were totally not prepared for such a murder and the crime scene was bungled so badly that unless someone confesses and can give proof they did it, no one will ever know who did it. Just confessing won't be enough as someone has already done that.

Oh I don't believe it will ever be proven who committed the crime at this point. It's pretty amazing that law enforcement didn't have better protocols in place to follow, however I'm sure it was somewhat complicated by the fact that initially it was a kidnapping and not a murder, although the home should have actually been treated as a crime scene altogether from the start.

I've heard more than one crying parent tell how they had to identify their deceased child (not necessarily in childhood) from ten feet away or in photographs because their body itself is considered a crime scene.

 

[cabanafrau]

Question about the 'wine cellar' latch. Why did they have a latch on the outside of the room and up at the top of the door...was it ever said what they needed to lock in? I think I recall they hid Xmas gifts in there???? And it wasn't really a wine cellar but an unfinished cement windowless room they stored some junk in.

Were they the only owners the home had ever had? Is it possible the latch predates their residency and they simply never bothered to remove it?

Some things can seem sinister and have a perfectly plausible and benign explanation having no bearing or relation on a crime.

 

[CdnCarrie]

Question about the 'wine cellar' latch. Why did they have a latch on the outside of the room and up at the top of the door...was it ever said what they needed to lock in? I think I recall they hid Xmas gifts in there???? And it wasn't really a wine cellar but an unfinished cement windowless room they stored some junk in.

Maybe the wine cellar was built like that. Did the Ramsey's build the house? They had moved from Atlanta a few years prior to JB's death.

 

[mi*vida*loca]

My unprofessional opinion is that Burke did it and the parents helped cover it up. After already losing an older daughter in a car crash and now losing JBR, they couldn't bare to lose Burke too so they concocted this whole plan to cover it up.

 

[pryncess527]

I agree the LE messed up. I agree that the 'telephone game' has been played. But the general timeline is what I posted at first and someone said was all false...
LE searched and found nothing and did not go in 'wine cellar' cause of latch
John and the White guy searched and the White guy went in room, did not turn on light and did not see JBR
John and the White guy searched again at the suggestion of LE and John went in room and immediately saw JBR, yelled out, took tape off her mouth and carried her upstairs

All of this was said by John and shown in footage on various shows.

All of that could have happened, just as stated, without it meaning John is the only possible murderer.
So I don't see why you keep harping on this aspect of the timeline. What do you think it conclusively means?

The latch on the outside of the door is far more troublesome to me than the timeline of events you've laid out here.

 

[cabanafrau]

My unprofessional opinion is that Burke did it and the parents helped cover it up. After already losing an older daughter in a car crash and now losing JBR, they couldn't bare to lose Burke too so they concocted this whole plan to cover it up.

I find it hard to believe a nine year old could have committed the crime, been taken over to friend's the morning she was discovered missing, gone through all of the turmoil of the case and his mother's dying and continued to live his life without any further signs of trouble ever being displayed.

 

[Kitty 34]

Like other posters have already stated........I just find it very hard bordering on unbelievable that an outside killer got into the house, carried this little girl down into the basement, grusomely killed her and then went back upstairs to compose a 3 page letter concerning a ransom situation. Just can't wrap my head around that type of thinking but then I'm not a killer.

 

[cabanafrau]

Like other posters have already stated........I just find it very hard bordering on unbelievable that an outside killer got into the house, carried this little girl down into the basement, grusomely killed her and then went back upstairs to compose a 3 page letter concerning a ransom situation. Just can't wrap my head around that type of thinking but then I'm not a killer.

What if it was an outside killer that in fact had access to the home for several months, completely unknown to everyone? What if they in fact had a key?

 

[mi*vida*loca]

I find it hard to believe a nine year old could have committed the crime, been taken over to friend's the morning she was discovered missing, gone through all of the turmoil of the case and his mother's dying and continued to live his life without any further signs of trouble ever being displayed.

I think he's a really weird kid. His interview was completely off to me. I could definitely see that happening. Sociopath maybe. To him it could've been no big deal.

 

[Kitty 34]

What if it was an outside killer that in fact had access to the home for several months, completely unknown to everyone? What if they in fact had a key?

Good questions but why a 3 page ransom note on the day of the murder, especially if they'd been "casing the joint" for a few months?

 

[mi*vida*loca]

What if it was an outside killer that in fact had access to the home for several months, completely unknown to everyone? What if they in fact had a key?

I wouldn't be completely shocked either. But if I had to pick a scenario I would go with parents covering for Burke.

Eta: I don't think the parents wanted her dead. I think they loved JBR very much and were devestated. They felt this was their only option.

 

[pryncess527]

Like other posters have already stated........I just find it very hard bordering on unbelievable that an outside killer got into the house, carried this little girl down into the basement, grusomely killed her and then went back upstairs to compose a 3 page letter concerning a ransom situation. Just can't wrap my head around that type of thinking but then I'm not a killer.

What if it was an outside killer that in fact had access to the home for several months, completely unknown to everyone? What if they in fact had a key?

Plus, why do we assume the letter was written in the house after the murder? Maybe the killer wrote it ahead of time and had every intention of kidnapping the girl, but it didn't go as plan and she died. He could have left the note on purpose or dropped it -- I mean, it was left on the floor . . .

Every version of events runs into something that "seems unbelievable" -- but IMHO, the hardest believe-ability wall is a 9 year old murdering his sister and keeping quiet and calm while away from his parents.

 

[RitaE]

It is conjecture that the note was composed after the death. The house was usually poorly secured and their were numerous keys to different doors held by various friends and family and workers. Further, the house was empty for much of Christmas Day. It is more than possible that somebody gained entry to the house while the Ramsey family was out at the Parties. It is just as likely the note was composed before the Ramsey family returned home, or was composed earlier at another location and then for some reason re-copied onto Patty's notepad paper somewhere along the line of events. There is no way to tell.

 

[pryncess527]

I think he's a really weird kid. His interview was completely off to me. I could definitely see that happening. Sociopath maybe. To him it could've been no big deal.

Based on my limited knowledge of sociopaths, it'd be even less likely he'd keep quiet in a situation like that if he didn't think it was a big deal.

 

[cabanafrau]

I think he's a really weird kid. His interview was completely off to me. I could definitely see that happening. Sociopath maybe. To him it could've been no big deal.

I'm sure I've seen pictures of him at the time the case happened, but I've never seen him interviewed at all. Is this recent or are you saying he was interviewed back then since you say kid & he should be a grown man now?

 

[mi*vida*loca]

I'm sure I've seen pictures of him at the time the case happened, but I've never seen him interviewed at all. Is this recent or are you saying he was interviewed back then since you say kid & he should be a grown man now?

I'm referring to the interview they showed on dateline the other night. He was 11 at the time of the interview.

 

[cabanafrau]

Based on my limited knowledge of sociopaths, it'd be even less likely he'd keep quiet in a situation like that if he didn't think it was a big deal.

I don't know about that, but I find it hard to believe that there haven't been reports of any issues with him if he were indeed a sociopath. I presume he grew up with his parents under his real name and people knew who he was, knew there were rumors and speculation. I find it hard to credit that he managed to dodge official suspicion (legal) at age nine, grew up and in all these years shown no tendencies publicly.