JonBenet Ramsey - a question for those who follow this story

[sunshinehighway]

Im trying to watch the show on CBS but it's really dumb. I mean if it had some interesting or compelling information that would be one thing. It just seems like it's trying way too hard though

 

[Disneychick75]

The most interesting fact brought out is that JonBenet was not sexually molested either during or after her murder.So Patsy and John would not have had to sexually traumatize JonBenet to cover for Burke.
Another bit that I think fascinating is that no one could have entered the basement through the window without disturbing the cobweb. It was pointed out that the web has been there for sometime.

 

[usnuzuloose]

The most interesting fact brought out is that JonBenet was not sexually molested either during or after her murder.So Patsy and John would not have had to sexually traumatize JonBenet to cover for Burke.
Another bit that I think fascinating is that no one could have entered the basement through the window without disturbing the cobweb. It was pointed out that the web has been there for sometime.

Without any disturbance, it screams someone from inside the home. Even dust and other things would have been disturbed coming in through the window. I read it right they are naming the brother as her murderer? I read it as a flash light, I wonder what took them so long to come up with that conclusion. If they bring him to trial, I hope it would be streamed as this would be a fascinating thing to hear all the evidence.

 

[Disneychick75]

Without any disturbance, it screams someone from inside the home. Even dust and other things would have been disturbed coming in through the window. I read it right they are naming the brother as her murderer? I read it as a flash light, I wonder what took them so long to come up with that conclusion. If they bring him to trial, I hope it would be streamed as this would be a fascinating thing to hear all the evidence.

They were saying Burke killed JonBenet by accident. John and Patsy covered it up to protect to protect their remaining child. Really, it's the only situation that makes sense. If it was an outsider or a conspiracy of outsiders, someone would have talked eventually.

 

[wilkeliza]

Something similar is what turned me off of Websleuths. I read there for years. It wasn't until I started reading about a local case that I realized half of the posters have no idea what they're talking about. They come up with a crazy theory and run with it.

I almost joined one of those forums because someone had the guts to say my mom's cousin only had 2 living relatives left fighting for them. Total lie there are many of us still left including aunts and uncles. I knew it was a lie when they said "sisters that were alive" as they only had a brother who was still alive. They have many cousins, aunts, uncles and other extended family waiting for this to finally be over.

 

[wilkeliza]

They were saying Burke killed JonBenet by accident. John and Patsy covered it up to protect to protect their remaining child. Really, it's the only situation that makes sense. If it was an outsider or a conspiracy of outsiders, someone would have talked eventually.

I just have a hard time believing her 9 year old brother did it. Also that her parents would cover it up if it was an accident. She was brutally murdered and molested. I can't imagine a family going to that length to cover up an accident.

 

[usnuzuloose]

They were saying Burke killed JonBenet by accident. John and Patsy covered it up to protect to protect their remaining child. Really, it's the only situation that makes sense. If it was an outsider or a conspiracy of outsiders, someone would have talked eventually.

If they arrest him, I don't know how much talking he will do, even after all this time. I still wonder how they came up with this conclusion as opposed to 20 years ago. I would love to see this trial if it comes about.

 

[elphaba91]

I just have a hard time believing her 9 year old brother did it. Also that her parents would cover it up if it was an accident. She was brutally murdered and molested. I can't imagine a family going to that length to cover up an accident.

I agree. I also believe that if that if that were the case that Patsy would have made a false deathbed confession (i.e. that she was solely responsible for the murder and coverup) to protect Burke permanently.

 

[LisaR]

I know Burke is an adult and can make his own decisions, but if he killed his sister (accidentally or otherwise) when he was nine and his parents covered it up, I don't care how old he is now, if he was my kid, I'd have some serious control over some of his decisions.

Hey Dad, I've decided to go on Dr. Phil!

Excuse me?

Yeah, I thought I'd talk about the death of my sister.

Oh hell no! You're going to go on national TV and discuss the death of the sister you killed? Remember that time you killed her and mom and I had to take care of everything and we have lived a horrible hell ever since? We lost your sister, we've had to protect you constantly, we have been accused of anything and everything imaginable even while your mom suffered another round with cancer and even in death they still talk about her like the devil. Our life has been hell from this nightmare you created and now you're going to take your socially awkward *** and parade it on TV to "clear things up?" You know the saying, "over my dead body?" Well, you're going to have to kill me next if you want to go on that show.


I just don't buy it. I also think the unplanned, unrehearsed interrogation of Burke by the police without John and Patsy's knowledge only 13 days after JBR's death would have revealed something. I doubt a nine year old wouldn't have had even a small slip up given the situation.

 

[msjprincess]

Without any disturbance, it screams someone from inside the home. Even dust and other things would have been disturbed coming in through the window. I read it right they are naming the brother as her murderer? I read it as a flash light, I wonder what took them so long to come up with that conclusion. If they bring him to trial, I hope it would be streamed as this would be a fascinating thing to hear all the evidence.

Took who so long? I really doubt he'll be brought to trial because of some ridiculous tv show.

 

[msjprincess]

If they arrest him, I don't know how much talking he will do, even after all this time. I still wonder how they came up with this conclusion as opposed to 20 years ago. I would love to see this trial if it comes about.

You do realize the people on the show were not really doing an official investigation? They have as much authority as the crazy people on Websluths.

 

[msjprincess]

They were saying Burke killed JonBenet by accident. John and Patsy covered it up to protect to protect their remaining child. Really, it's the only situation that makes sense. If it was an outsider or a conspiracy of outsiders, someone would have talked eventually.

No it doesn't make any sense at all. No parent is going to do what was done that child to cover for another child.

There are thousands of unsolved crimes. Most killers don't go bragging about it.

That show was the more biased thing I have ever seen. They went into trying to prove the Ramseys were guilty and ignoring other evidence.

They stated things that weren't even true like John leaving for over an hour and they way they described him searching the house is not how it happened. In all the interviews I've seen with Linda Arndt never once did she say that she asked to search the house together and start upstairs and John bolted for the basement. What a crock.

 

[kidshop]

I just have a hard time believing her 9 year old brother did it. Also that her parents would cover it up if it was an accident. She was brutally murdered and molested. I can't imagine a family going to that length to cover up an accident.

I have a hard time too. Dang that pineapple! It actually made the most sense! BUT, a regular parent who has a child injured or even dead still calls 911 to try to save them, and doesn't think, "oh well, she is dead let's cover it up so Burke doesn't get in trouble" (unless you are Casey Anthony wink wink) people do everything in case the child can be saved.

I was fascinated by Burke's refusal to say that was pineapple in the bowl.

 

[msjprincess]

And the fight started over pineapple yet they left it sitting there on the table?

They supposedly did all this other stuff to cover up the crime but left the incriminating pineapple sitting out.

And I don't get their conclusion that the DNA came from manufacturing or packaging. The same DNA was found on her underwear and the outside of her leggings. The same person made both of those clothing items?

 

[lorimay]

I haven't read through all the pages but, I want to know what everyone thinks about the story Dr. Phil told yesterday on the last part of his interview with Burke.
He said 9 months after Jonbenet, another child in the same neighborhood was sexually assaulted in her bedroom. The mother said the police never put a description of this guy out to the press and the police kind of just sat on it. Because they didn't want to make it look like the Ramsay's didn't do it.
I find this so hard to believe because if that was the truth as the mother of that little girl, I would have been all over the press telling this story, trying to catch this guy.

 

[msjprincess]

I haven't read through all the pages but, I want to know what everyone thinks about the story Dr. Phil told yesterday on the last part of his interview with Burke.
He said 9 months after Jonbenet, another child in the same neighborhood was sexually assaulted in her bedroom. The mother said the police never put a description of this guy out to the press and the police kind of just sat on it. Because they didn't want to make it look like the Ramsay's didn't do it.
I find this so hard to believe because if that was the truth as the mother of that little girl, I would have been all over the press telling this story, trying to catch this guy.

That story has been around for years. I don't remember all of the details.

Here's one article about that case http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1305058/posts

 

[RitaE]

The Burke theory has never fit with me because as I said, if they needed Burke to be quiet about what he knew, it makes no sense to me that they would have sent him out of their control and monitoring less than 24 hours after they event. I can't believe they'd even leave him with anybody other than Patsy or John Ramsey for the Investigators to swoop in and meddle with at a later time either.

I have a hard time watching that little boy bounce around the interrogation room chairs for more than 20 seconds and not thinking that he would have just as hard a time controlling his mouth as he does sitting still. I suppose it is possible that Burke is the guilty party, but I'm not convinced.

I've watched some of the Investigation ID show and some of the CBS show now. They are both so carefully crafted to tell one particular story of their choosing and they largely cherry pick facts that are then presented as only being explained by their theory. Everything else is either ignored or glossed over. For instance the CNN interview where Patsy Ramsey is shaking her head back and forth and then John says "Yes!" and then she starts nodding up and down. They interpret that as her saying "No" and then changing to follow John's lead. The problem with that is the head back and forth can mean a lot of different things based on state of mind and person. For instance, it can mean "I just don't believe it."

Both shows also both heavily rely on the concept that there is only one correct way to act and react and anybody who doesn't follow that standard is likely guilty .... of something. That simply isn't true.

 

[MrJT]

This thread got me really thinking about the case, which I remembered from back then, but I never really followed it. I seem to recall believing the hype that the family did it.
Over the weekend, I watched the A&E special as well as the Dateline one. Talk about 2 different perspectives!
I still don't know what really happened, but I definitely think that the Boulder police buried themselves. They leaked info that wasn't even accurate!

 

[ronandannette]

I just have a hard time believing her 9 year old brother did it. Also that her parents would cover it up if it was an accident. She was brutally murdered and molested. I can't imagine a family going to that length to cover up an accident.

I'm no huge Dr. Phil devotee, but unless he blatantly lied on his show (3 separate episodes shown over the past week), the DNA evidence taken from JonBenet was definitively shown NOT to be Patsy Ramsey or John Ramsey or anyone related to John (ie. Burke). In addition to the fact that the Boulder PD publically exonerated them years ago, why has none of this shifted the opinions of those who still insist they must have done it? If this situation belonged to any of us IRL, wouldn't we rely on the forensics?

 

[cabanafrau]

Guess I managed to miss yet another show about this case, but it sounds like I didn't miss anything but a lot of unchallenged talking heads. Good investigations and prosecutors challenge and beat up their own cases to make sure they got it right. The police in this case will not do this for a reason. It's darn sure these TV programs don't do it because then they wouldn't have an angle to sell.