JonBenet Ramsey - a question for those who follow this story

[Kellykins1218]

The daughter didn't die in the bathroom, he kept her pictures in his bathroom.

 

[Happyinwonerland]

I dont think I'll be able to eat pineapple again after all the talk of it in this thread. There sure is a pineapple fascination

 

[LisaR]

I dont think I'll be able to eat pineapple again after all the talk of it in this thread. There sure is a pineapple fascination

I'm one who does not believe the family was involved in any way, shape, or form, but I do find the pineapple...odd? One of the explanations that makes the most sense to me is that JBR actually ate it much earlier in the day (before they left for the party). Apparently one of the medical examiners feels it could have been eaten that early. The other medical examiner felt it was eaten shortly before death which is weird to me. Did she sneak down and eat pineapple and come across a person in the house who killed her? That seems like a stretch especially if that person was just there to rob the place and next thing you know there is this whole "kidnapping" thing. Did the murderer wake her up, take her downstairs and feed her, and then kill her? Strange!
Now, if she ate it at 4pm that afternoon before the party, it makes total sense.

There are so many "experts" who completely disagree with one another. "It's completely impossible for the pineapple to have been eaten that early." "It absolutely could have been eaten that early in the day." Okay then.

 

[Happyinwonerland]

I'm one who does not believe the family was involved in any way, shape, or form, but I do find the pineapple...odd? One of the explanations that makes the most sense to me is that JBR actually ate it much earlier in the day (before they left for the party). Apparently one of the medical examiners feels it could have been eaten that early. The other medical examiner felt it was eaten shortly before death which is weird to me. Did she sneak down and eat pineapple and come across a person in the house who killed her? That seems like a stretch especially if that person was just there to rob the place and next thing you know there is this whole "kidnapping" thing. Did the murderer wake her up, take her downstairs and feed her, and then kill her? Strange!
Now, if she ate it at 4pm that afternoon before the party, it makes total sense.

There are so many "experts" who completely disagree with one another. "It's completely impossible for the pineapple to have been eaten that early." "It absolutely could have been eaten that early in the day." Okay then.

Why is it implausible that she would have woken up hungry and gone down to eat a snack in the middle of the night by herself? I can remember doing that on many occasions. My BFF and I had an affinity for sneaking string cheese at 2 am during sleepovers...

 

[LisaR]

Why is it implausible that she would have woken up hungry and gone down to eat a snack in the middle of the night by herself? I can remember doing that on many occasions. My BFF and I had an affinity for sneaking string cheese at 2 am during sleepovers...

No, nothing implausible about it. It is the timing of it that is interesting. Did she come down, eat pineapple, go back to bed and then all of the horrible things happen? Did she come down, sit at the table munching on the pineapple when the bad guy came up to her and grabbed her? Was he there for her the entire time or was he there for some other reason? Did she foil his original plan? Wrong place at the wrong time? Or, did this guy somehow coax her out of bed and get her to go down and eat pineapple? I just find it interesting that nobody knows the connection.

 

[lillygator]

I thought she died in a car wreck......But if you're certain she died in the bathroom, who am I to question it?

I meant the "shrine" was in the bathroom not that she died there.

 

[lillygator]

She did die in a car accident.

Comments like those above are the comments the police wanted & the type of comments they and others who wanted to bury the Ramseys made. "I knew in my heart..." "No doubt in my mind..." etc. It's hard to blame people for picking up on & believing the lies that were fed to the media by the police. However, the most recent round of reporting has debunked a lot of these false claims & it's pretty clear that the possibility of an intruder is entirely viable, and quite likely, in my opinion.

Unless you were present during the murder and/or witnessed sexual abuse with your own eyes, there SHOULD be "doubt in your mind."

I take offense to comments like yours. It is apparent well through out this thread that many posterst have not even scratched the surface on facts in this case.

 

[Pixie Dust ✨]

I take offense to comments like yours. It is apparent well through out this thread that many posterst have not even scratched the surface on facts in this case.

To be frank, I don't really care if you take offense to my comments. It's a discussion board. I'm sure JR would be much more offended to be accused of sexually abusing his deceased daughter, and rightfully so as there is no proof of such whatsoever.

 

[lillygator]

To be frank, I don't really care if you take offense to my comments. It's a discussion board. I'm sure JR would be much more offended to be accused of sexually abusing his deceased daughter, and rightfully so as there is no proof of such whatsoever.

WOW did I say who abused her? No I quoted the experts who actually EXAMINED her.

 

[Pixie Dust ✨]

WOW did I say who abused her? No I quoted the experts who actually EXAMINED her.

You referred to some expert opinions that she had been abused, ignored other expert opinions that she had not been abused, and heavily implied that you found something suspicious both about JR's "shrine" to his other deceased daughter & about parents having a nude photo of their toddler in their bedroom. I'm fairly certain that I did not misread your comments.

 

[lillygator]

To be frank, I don't really care if you take offense to my comments. It's a discussion board. I'm sure JR would be much more offended to be accused of sexually abusing his deceased daughter, and rightfully so as there is no proof of such whatsoever.

And I don't work in

You referred to some expert opinions that she had been abused, ignored other expert opinions that she had not been abused, and heavily implied that you found something suspicious both about JR's "shrine" to his other deceased daughter & about parents having a nude photo of their toddler in their bedroom. I'm fairly certain that I did not misread your comments.

Infer all you want - what expert opinions can you provide that she wasn't abused?

 

[Pixie Dust ✨]

And I don't work in

Infer all you want - what expert opinions can you provide that she wasn't abused?

Dr. Richard Krugman, Dean of Colorado University Health Sciences Center: "JonBenet was not a sexually abused child."

Dr. Werner Spitz: "The injury to JonBenet's (redacted) had happened either at or immediately prior to her death -- not earlier. There is no clear indication of prior penetration."

FBI: The FBI believed that JonBenet's (redacted) trauma was not consistent with a history of sexual abuse, and they had turned up no evidence of any other type of abuse. The sexual violation of JonBenet, whether pre or postmortem did not appear to have been committed for the perpetrator's gratification. The penetration, which caused minor genital trauma, was more likely part of a staged crime scene intended to mislead the police.

Italic text was not written by me.

I cannot say for certain that JBR was not abused. You cannot say for certain that she was abused. If she was, neither of us can be certain about who did it.

 

[sunshinehighway]

WOW did I say who abused her? No I quoted the experts who actually EXAMINED her.

You absolutely implied her family members abused her. It actually looks likes you are saying multiple family members abused her...just own it. I mean why say it and then get all offended and pretend you didn't?

From everything I've read and studied....there is no doubt in my mind this child was molested. Not necessarily with the murder but prior. No doubt. From multiple autopsies and experts. This was an inside job, no intruder....thone in the house know what happened. Love Burke admitting to Dr Phil he was downstairs that night after a newhile toy and that he was put to bed by flashlight.

And let's not forget the nude 3 yr old photo of JB in the parents room wearing only a boa that was "taken down"...and the elder college son who's items were a semen stained comfortor and the adult sexual Dr Suess book in the "suitcase". Also Jon Ramsey and a "photo shrine" to his eldest daughter who died in the bathroom.

 

[Hikergirl]

I meant the "shrine" was in the bathroom not that she died there.

So you think its odd that a parent has pictures in their home of their child that was killed? I dont know what you mean by shrine, maybe you can describe what you saw in his bathroom.
While i wouldnt put family pictures in the bathroom i do know people that do.

 

[kidshop]

I'm one who does not believe the family was involved in any way, shape, or form, but I do find the pineapple...odd? One of the explanations that makes the most sense to me is that JBR actually ate it much earlier in the day (before they left for the party). Apparently one of the medical examiners feels it could have been eaten that early. The other medical examiner felt it was eaten shortly before death which is weird to me. Did she sneak down and eat pineapple and come across a person in the house who killed her? That seems like a stretch especially if that person was just there to rob the place and next thing you know there is this whole "kidnapping" thing. Did the murderer wake her up, take her downstairs and feed her, and then kill her? Strange!
Now, if she ate it at 4pm that afternoon before the party, it makes total sense.

There are so many "experts" who completely disagree with one another. "It's completely impossible for the pineapple to have been eaten that early." "It absolutely could have been eaten that early in the day." Okay then.

Sure, it could have been earlier in the day, BUT a bowl of pineapple was out on the table with a spoon in it. Nobody said it was their pineapple, or from earlier in the day if I recall. It matches with undigested pineapple in JonBenet's stomach.

It is odd.

 

[lovin'fl]

CBS show on JonBenet starts tonight. Should be very interesting. I just got done reading Kolar's book and he's going to be on the show, along with Dr Lee and Jim Clemente. There are 6 investigators and Clemente says they all come to the same conclusion. Looking forward to it!

 

[asta]

I taped the CBS show tonight but forgot about the football delay and missed the last 15 min. I think they were going to discuss the CNN interview given by the Ramsey's. Can anyone tell me what was said about the interview? The show so far seems to be pointing the finger at Burk with coverup by the parents.

 

[EMom]

I watched the CBS show and it was laughably bad, IMHO. They lost me in the beginning when they "enhanced" the 911 audio and used some very vivid imaginations to declare what had been "said." It reminded me of those ghost hunter shows when they listen to the audio and all you can hear is a bunch of static, yet they declare that the spirit said as clear as day, "Get out of my house or die!" As if it's a fact.

And the gray haired, bearded FBI guy is an apologist for the police dept. In 20 years, no one has claimed anything other than the police stupidly sent John Ramsey and a friend to go search the house, supposedly to keep his mind occupied. whatever that means. FBI guy makes it sounds like Ramsey knew the police were about to start searching, so he bolted downstairs, straight to the body and beat them to the punch. Talk about spin.

I also thought the rumor that John Ramsey was missing for over an hour had long been debunked, yet they state it as fact.

That photographer "friend" cannot get on TV too many times. She whines that the Ramseys cut her off. I'd have cut her off too, since she's pretty clear that talking to the police was the least of what she did right after the murder. She yakked to every reporter who showed up on her doorstep. When it's clear the police are targeting you and the media is helping them paint you as killers on a daily basis, I'd ask my friends to not talk to the media either. With friends like Chatty Cathy, who continues to say Burke "hit JonBenet in the head with a golf club" even though the truth is she walked up behind him when he was hitting golf balls and was accidentally hit by his backswing, who needs enemies? Of course they cut her off.

The list goes on and on. It's the Boulder PD all over again. Reach a conclusion and then make the facts fit, no matter how much evidence you have to ignore to accomplish that. Probably every single one of the 6 experts is about to peddle a book.

 

[goofy !]

I meant the "shrine" was in the bathroom not that she died there.

So, you posted erroneous information. You correct it later when called on it. What makes you think that a ton of the internet lore out there was not originally erroneous information that somewhere has a later posted correction? It was easy enough for you to post something completely untrue. Somebody could now search the internet, see your post and now perpetuate a rumor long enough that it becomes internet fact that the daughter died in the bathroom.

I take offense to comments like yours. It is apparent well through out this thread that many posters have not even scratched the surface on facts in this case.

And you do not even know a fraction of the facts. Apparently, according to a Boulder investigator that has told us several times at neighborhood gatherings, there is quite a bit of information that has never been leaked. In fact, although I am not sure I believe him, he went as far as telling us that the police know exactly who murdered JonBenet. They just can never bring charges because of the bumbling, messed up crime scene.

If the police had such concrete proof that you sure beyond a reasonable doubt that JonBenet was abused, how come someone has not been arrested for child abuse, separate from the murder case? I can tell you. Because there is no evidence of it.

WOW did I say who abused her? No I quoted the experts who actually EXAMINED her.

No, you are not quoting experts who actually examined her. You are quoting experts who were paid by the media to review the coroner's report and then give their opinion on the evidence. That would taint their review to skew it towards what the media wanted to print.

 

[kidshop]

I watched the CBS show and it was laughably bad, IMHO. They lost me in the beginning when they "enhanced" the 911 audio and used some very vivid imaginations to declare what had been "said." It reminded me of those ghost hunter shows when they listen to the audio and all you can hear is a bunch of static, yet they declare that the spirit said as clear as day, "Get out of my house or die!" As if it's a fact.

And the gray haired, bearded FBI guy is an apologist for the police dept. In 20 years, no one has claimed anything other than the police stupidly sent John Ramsey and a friend to go search the house, supposedly to keep his mind occupied. whatever that means. FBI guy makes it sounds like Ramsey knew the police were about to start searching, so he bolted downstairs, straight to the body and beat them to the punch. Talk about spin.

I also thought the rumor that John Ramsey was missing for over an hour had long been debunked, yet they state it as fact.

That photographer "friend" cannot get on TV too many times. She whines that the Ramseys cut her off. I'd have cut her off too, since she's pretty clear that talking to the police was the least of what she did right after the murder. She yakked to every reporter who showed up on her doorstep. When it's clear the police are targeting you and the media is helping them paint you as killers on a daily basis, I'd ask my friends to not talk to the media either. With friends like Chatty Cathy, who continues to say Burke "hit JonBenet in the head with a golf club" even though the truth is she walked up behind him when he was hitting golf balls and was accidentally hit by his backswing, who needs enemies? Of course they cut her off.

The list goes on and on. It's the Boulder PD all over again. Reach a conclusion and then make the facts fit, no matter how much evidence you have to ignore to accomplish that. Probably every single one of the 6 experts is about to peddle a book.

I'll agree the enhanced audio was much like the ghost voices! I heard nothing. But, there is a third voice that does sound like a child's voice. I in no way think Burke did it. I am not convinced he wasn't awake and downstairs at the time of the 911 call.

I have the most difficult time getting past going on CNN 6 days after your daughter is murdered, and you have refused to speak to the police about it. It's just not right.