Jon & Kate + Eight Debate

[alexandria674]

Sheesh, all that drama - for nothing!!! Looks like Jon is having difficulty and isnt sure if he wants to continue to film????? but like kate said, they cant go back.....

i really didnt like the show about the 12 as much.....did you guys?

I tried to get into the 12 show, but for some reason I can't. It is a good show with a good concept, but I am getting kind of sick of the "we have a lot of kids" premise with the shows.

 

[susykt4]

I haven't watched one of the new episodes for a while, but got sucked in by the dramatic ads. I about died laughing at the product placement throughout the show. "My ALLSTATE guy called and told me about some great ALLSTATE stuff so I went to the ALLSTATE website and checked the ALLSTATE homepage." "We were SCHEDULED to go to the Globetrotters game." That seriously made me want to puke! Also, in previous seasons I don't remember everything from the chair being repeated 100 times. Yeah, this show has changed bigtime!

Then I started watching Table for 12, but the product placement for this brand-new show turned me off (Ragu in the first 30 seconds) and I fell asleep.

 

[LittleMissMagic]

Who thinks that Jon's mother really needed *help*? Hmmm? He seemed really unhappy! Glad that they are still together (at least for the kids' sake). At least it seems as if one of them realizes that life in the limelight isn't all it was cracked up to be...and anyone else catch that he isn't happy not working outside the home??? What will TLC come up with for Season 5.

No..... he said he didn't like working at home (probably because he has eight kids and a wife to annoy him).

 

[LittleMissMagic]

Table for 12 was just okay. The dad was really sweet to do all that for his wife. They seem to be pretty low-key. I wonder why they decided to do a reality show.

This is going to sound really bad, but I don't think that the show is going to be as popular as Jon and Kate because their kids just aren't as cute as Jon and Kate's (not to mention - compared to Kate, Betty [that's her name, right?] is rather boring and undramatic! ). Their sextuplets are adorable, but they all have different hair colors and really don't look that much alike (sort of disappointing the people's view of multiples). Plus, Jon and Kate started when the kids were just two years old (Mady and Cara six). The Haye's oldest are almost teenagers - the cuteness factor is already wearing off.

 

[susykt4]

Yeah, the Table for 12 people are just too normal and boring. Perhaps if their show becomes popular and their family is "scheduled" for things like Globetrotters games, the parents will get skinny and fashionable and they'll dye all their kids' hair red so they look more like what we expect from a reality television multiples family.

 

[PatricenPete]

Was it just me or did anyone else notice in the episode with the Globetrotters when Kate was talking about her "helper?"

She kept insisting that it wasn't a nanny and that they would NEVER have a nanny....Okay, so you won't have a nanny, but you have someone who helps with the kids, dresses them, feeds them, plays with them....Hey, if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, it's a nanny....

I have ZERO problem with her having a nanny, but come on now, own up to it.

 

[powellrj]

Was it just me or did anyone else notice in the episode with the Globetrotters when Kate was talking about her "helper?"

She kept insisting that it wasn't a nanny and that they would NEVER have a nanny....Okay, so you won't have a nanny, but you have someone who helps with the kids, dresses them, feeds them, plays with them....Hey, if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, it's a nanny....

I have ZERO problem with her having a nanny, but come on now, own up to it.

Thats always been my problem with Kate, if I had 8 kids and traveled as much as she does, I would have a nanny and be glad for help. I wish she would just own up to everything. Who cares that you have a nanny, I am sure with huge house and her travel dates she also has a cleaning crew, I know I could never keep up, but just be honest about it.

 

[El&Asmom]

I haven't watched one of the new episodes for a while, but got sucked in by the dramatic ads. I about died laughing at the product placement throughout the show. "My ALLSTATE guy called and told me about some great ALLSTATE stuff so I went to the ALLSTATE website and checked the ALLSTATE homepage." "We were SCHEDULED to go to the Globetrotters game." That seriously made me want to puke! Also, in previous seasons I don't remember everything from the chair being repeated 100 times. Yeah, this show has changed bigtime!

Then I started watching Table for 12, but the product placement for this brand-new show turned me off (Ragu in the first 30 seconds) and I fell asleep.

I agree. I was soooo annoyed by the whole Allstate plug. It had absolutely NOTHING to do with the show. At least when they get new washers and dryers it makes sense with all of those people in the family. It was just a blatent plug for Allstate. Give me a break. It's not like we're all going to go out and get Allstate now because Jon was on their website.

As for the ending, I was frustrated that Jon kept complaining about his lack of privacy and how he can't just be "Jon" anymore. Hello, you two asked for this. Have you thought about how your children will feel having lost any sense of privacy in their childhood. J&K had a choice. Their kids didn't.

Anyway, off of my soapbox. I actually enjoyed these two episodes. It was fun to see the kids doing things again and having fun. It seemed to be more about them and less about J&K last night. It was funny though how Jon had to mention a million times that he was helping his mom out. OK we get it, you didn't separate.

I watched about 10 min of the new 12 show. Didn't interest me much. I don't think it will last. Sadly I agree, the cuteness factor isn't there with the older kids.

 

[mom2meiko]

i think the term "nanny" tends to carry different meanings for a lot of people. some people think of a babysitter as a "nanny" while others think if they live with you they are a "nanny" etc. i don't think kate was lacking honesty in her statement - i think she just doesn't consider her helper to be a nanny. i had been the dedicated babysitter for 2 boys (who are now 19 & 22 and still a part of my day to day life) since before the youngest was born but i was always the babysitter - never the nanny. i went on vacations with them, stayed at the house when their parents traveled, spent all of my college breaks with them, etc. i was their babysitter - i didn't live with them.

i understand that people don't like kate or jon or how they have chosen to live their lives and their children's lives - but do you really need to look for more reasons to be angry with them? why can't we all try to look at things from all view points rather than immediately assuming the worst?

 

[PatricenPete]

i understand that people don't like kate or jon or how they have chosen to live their lives and their children's lives - but do you really need to look for more reasons to be angry with them? why can't we all try to look at things from all view points rather than immediately assuming the worst?

Look, I am probably one of the few that actually still really like Jon and Kate. I actually think that kate is amazing and I have even started using some of her tactics in my own home with great success.

I am a SAHM mom of 3 kids under the age of 5 and let me tell you, most days I am about to lose my mind. It's a struggle and a challenge sometimes, but it's the most rewarding job that I have ever had. That being said, I just don't like Kate acting like look at me, I can parent 8 kids all by myself. Admit that you need help, admit that you HAVE help, so that the rest of us schlubs don't feel inadequate by comparison.....

 

[mom2meiko]

Look, I am probably one of the few that actually still really like Jon and Kate. I actually think that kate is amazing and I have even started using some of her tactics in my own home with great success.

I am a SAHM mom of 3 kids under the age of 5 and let me tell you, most days I am about to lose my mind. It's a struggle and a challenge sometimes, but it's the most rewarding job that I have ever had. That being said, I just don't like Kate acting like look at me, I can parent 8 kids all by myself. Admit that you need help, admit that you HAVE help, so that the rest of us schlubs don't feel inadequate by comparison.....

but she has admitted to needing and using help! she had a helper prior to the new house - the girl even went on vacations with them. she admitted last night that they have a helper who works random hours based on need who helps out with the kids but who prefers to keep her identity a secret to protect her privacy. kate wasn't hiding anything at all.

 

[PatricenPete]

Forget I said anything and carry about your day. It's my opinion based on the show. I'm not the type to argue on a message board. Later Skater.

 

[rjthkids]

I watched about 10 min of the new 12 show. Didn't interest me much. I don't think it will last. Sadly I agree, the cuteness factor isn't there with the older kids.

I don't watch Jon and Kate plus eight, but I think this statement is very telling. Jon and Kate's children are also rapidly approaching losing the "cuteness factor". Won't the sextuplets be kindergarten age next year?

I just usually see the headers on each of the shows. I think it is telling that this year was all about having to do "spectacular things"---- the trips to Hawaii and wherever else they flew to, the new house etc. etc. It did use to just be Jon and Kate living normal life trying to survive with lots of small children. As they get older and the kids get easier to manage on a day-to-day basis, they lose that factor and the cuteness factor and have to up the ante to keep people's interest.

This show might last another few years, but it will get to the point where no one is interested in watching it in any more. I hope they are diligently preparing for the day when taping ends and no one cares what any of them are doing on a day to day basis and all the freebies end. (Though, I'm sure they'll have a much longer life on the book/speaking engagement circuit than they will on the television circuit).

 

[billwendy]

I tried to get into the 12 show, but for some reason I can't. It is a good show with a good concept, but I am getting kind of sick of the "we have a lot of kids" premise with the shows.

Yes, - thats it - I got tired of hearing "we have so many kids we use a whole loaf of bread and a whole gallon on milk" etc,,,,I think with so many of these shows now its like - okay, we already know that.

While I do like watching Jon and Kate, I agree that the kids are growing up and what are they going to show us? once they get the kids in school, what are we going to watch????? Not like I need to see another haircut or kids fighting or whatever????

 

[mom2princessj]

I didn't like how Kate just dismissed Jon's feelings and said its too late to go turn back now and I love what we are doing and my life I'm not sure if he really is annoyed with the taping or her...whatever it is he's got issues right now and she seems to be the one calling all the shots.

As far as the 'helper' I'm guessing the helper isn't shown because Kate doesn't allow anyone to make money off the kids except her. I mean what is Kate suppose to say...I don't want her aired because I don't want to pay her Jodie was going to get a contract for her appearances along with her other regulars and Kate ended that real quick. I used to really like Kate and the show. But I think all of this has gone to her head and she's now just greedy. I'm sure she loves her kids. I read her book and really liked it. I just think she is now used to the 'limelight' and for her there is no going back to a 'normal' lifestyle. I think she enjoys the attention and all that goes with it. I'm guessing this show will only go 1-2 more seasons.

 

[DISNEYNV]

On the show last night ( end of season4) I didn't think Kate let Jon speak his mind on camera. I am glad he was open and honest about how he felt about the show and how it has effected his life. I think Kate was budding in too much when he was trying to talk and it was clear that he is not happy, but she made it clear that she is! Don't know where that is going to go

 

[michael's mom]

I think Jon's issues with working at home are just his personality. Many people are like this. They need an "outside" life. Socializing with people about issues other than homelife. I know many women who don't need to work but really need the life outside of home. I really didn't see anything about that being he doesn't like being home with the kids or his wife. In fact, I think Jon was apprehensive about speaking his feelings. He said at one point, I just don't know how to put it. He didn't want to offend and I think Kate clarified some things for him (she is more well-spoken than he is). I also don't think he's unhappy with how she speaks to him, anymore than we all are at times with our spouse. We dont' like how she speaks to him and then try to interpret what he says and does based on that. We are only seeing small snipets of their lives. Now, that being said, I'd be ticked off if the only thing the viewing public saw was those clips, but that's editing. As far as ending the show or not, who knows. It will come to an end soon. But regardless of whether or not the show continues, they really can't go back to being unknown. They are who they are, this is the life that they chose 2 years ago and they have to make the best of it. True, he probably didn't think the show would last 4 seasons. He probably didn't expect the fame and popularity, but it is what it is. He himself said he was grateful for those who found his life interesting, but he feels like most celebrities do. Somedays, he just wants to be a guy named Jon who has 8 kids...not that guy from tv. They know that they can't do this without the other. They will make this work (if there are problems) because they need eachother.

The Allstate placement annoyed me bigtime because it was just so random. I guess it doesn't bother me when they are going places or when the placement fits the show...but that was just weird.

I do think he wanted to help his mom...he was probably aggravated that her husband left her though. He said many times he wished he could be there with the kids at the museums and such. When I go away, I do miss my husband, but I can't wait to see my son so there wasn't anything strange that bothered me there either.

As far as Table for 12...did nothing for me!

 

[HGD24]

I didn't like how Kate just dismissed Jon's feelings and said its too late to go turn back now and I love what we are doing and my life I'm not sure if he really is annoyed with the taping or her...

I totally agree with you. I only watched the last 15 mins or so of the show, but I was also upset about how Kate was dismissing Jon's feelings and talking over him about how happy she is and how she likes the show and everything that comes with it. WE KNOW you love the spotlight and money lady! Let the poor man be regretful, sad, whatever it is that he's feeling - just let him have 2 minutes to express his feelings, we get enough of your feelings and thoughts throughout the whole darn show....UGH!

 

[hardingk]

Does anyone know what store Kate was in buying her clothes? I know she was in Gymboree for the kids clothes.

 

[kitsch4]

Does anyone know what store Kate was in buying her clothes? I know she was in Gymboree for the kids clothes.

I was thinking Talbot's?