Jon and Kate Plus 8 Official Thread - Part 8

[Lisa loves Pooh]

A quick google search Nd I found the minimum daily rate for a speaking part to be $782. (for ilustration only....the Gosselins FAIK are not equity)

Also found that in 2008, Charlie sheen was reported to be making $825,000 and a 2010 article revealed that he is staying on for 2 more seasons to the tune of 2 million per episode. Where's the outrage over him
making 8 times more than his child co-star?

Comparisons only work when they are apples to apples. Everyone is entitled to their own opinons, but again...it only makes sense to do a fair comparison than to paint Kate as some sort of evil b/c she makes more per episode than her kids

lastly...I may have missed it....do we have a confirmation of how many episodes they arendoing and do we have a factual accounting of Kate's filming schedule vs. the kids that is absent of hyperbole? She has more screen time per episode. That is obvious.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Difference being, if Jon and Kate didn't have these 8 kids there wouldn't be a show.. What talent does either of them have that would make them that sort of money without the kids?

Kate may be considered the "lead" (although I don't really see it that way as most people on this thread claim they watch the show just to "see the kids"), but take away the kids and she wouldn't have a show to work on..

The same can be said fir most shows that center around children. I'm no sure why that gets lost in translation. If folks are going to compare it to written television...at least be aware of what you are comparing it to.

Lastly..Kate has more screen time...so from that standpoint, she is likely filmed more and thus "works" (I use that term LOOSELY) more.

There isn't really a reason for the children to make more when one looks at it that way.

It's just like I said earlier in the thread....the "anti" consensus was that he kids needed laws to protect them...but it seemed noone realized that exisin laws even in CA where Charlie Sheen makes 8x more than his child costar....would still allow these shenanigans. And now folks seemed "shocked" that more isn't being done.

 

[C.Ann]

The same can be said fir most shows that center around children. I'm no sure why that gets lost in translation. If folks are going to compare it to written television...at least be aware of what you are comparing it to.

Lastly..Kate has more screen time...so from that standpoint, she is likely filmed more and thus "works" (I use that term LOOSELY) more.

There isn't really a reason for the children to make more when one looks at it that way.

It's just like I said earlier in the thread....the "anti" consensus was that he kids needed laws to protect them...but it seemed noone realized that exisin laws even in CA where Charlie Sheen makes 8x more than his child costar....would still allow these shenanigans. And now folks seemed "shocked" that more isn't being done.

With all due respect, I believe you and I are talking about two different things..

I don't really know how to make it any clearer than what I have already stated.. I don't care how much money Kate makes - as long as she makes it on her own.. Meaning her own career - not using her children as a means of maintaining her celebrity status..

Charlie Sheen and all of the other people you mentioned have nothing to do with what I'm getting at here.. Again - we're obviously not discussing the same subject..

 

[DMRick]

The same can be said fir most shows that center around children. I'm no sure why that gets lost in translation. If folks are going to compare it to written television...at least be aware of what you are comparing it to.

Ah, but the difference is, this is about Kate. It doesn't matter how much other kids work for some people (OK Walden, once again I do have to give you that..you do make it about all the kids not just teh G's, and I do respect that. You are consistant in that.).

Without Kate, there would be no show. Some may be happy about that, but as it's said w/o the kids there would be no show and Kate would not be making money, w/o the Kate there would be no show and the kids would not be making money. Of course she's making more..I'd bet Ozzie and Harriet made more than their kids, and Lucy prob made more than her daughter when they were on a show together. Heck, Ozzie Osbourne and Sharon prob make more than their kids.

And even if all the kids money goes into the bank for their future, as someone said above, they do as a family have expenses now and will continue to have expenses long after this show ends.

I'm sure the chickens are for the show..some didn't want a traveling show, and I guess they listened and now we'll get an at home show. But that isn't what some want either.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

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And even if all the kids money goes into the bank for their future, as someone said above, they do as a family have expenses now and will continue to have expenses long after this show ends.

I'm sure the chickens are for the show..some didn't want a traveling show, and I guess they listened and now we'll get an at home show. But that isn't what some want either.

I do feel they should get their own paycheck. Now that they are AND it is above equity rates...and I'm fine with Kate making more. It makes sense ti
to me.

As for the chickens....oh my. Where to begin?
Dumb idea....but I feel bad that the 6yo children are beloved by some to be horrible to animals. That confuses me.


Someone earlier metioned Marth Stewart. I had a chuckle out if that. While she is crafty, handy and has a green thumb that makes me green with envy....she also has a monster sized property and makes milikns and doesn't do it alone. Maybe it was her dry wit (does she have wit?), but I watched N interview where she implied that she does it all alone. While I do not doubt that she has her hands ineverything and could do it all alone on a much smaller scale, their simply isn't enough time in the day to run her
multi-media empire and operate her "plantation" solo. But it truly did seem she was claiming that in the interview.

Anyway....gave me a chuckle over the eyerolling Kate received and then Martha was brought up.

But chickens....bad idea. My MIL had them....let's just say that I now realize how the phrase "pecking order"'originated. And hen-pecking. Lol. Those birds can be brutal to their peers.

 

[mousey]

With all due respect, I believe you and I are talking about two different things..

I don't really know how to make it any clearer than what I have already stated.. I don't care how much money Kate makes - as long as she makes it on her own.. Meaning her own career - not using her children as a means of maintaining her celebrity status..

Charlie Sheen and all of the other people you mentioned have nothing to do with what I'm getting at here.. Again - we're obviously not discussing the same subject..

I agree with you C.Ann. The problem is Kate can't make it without the kids. That is obvious with her last book flop, DWTS (and I don't care how much money she brought in) and the Paula Deen show that fell through. She is high maintenance and TLC will use her while they can, but they will also drop her like a hot potato.
I think the chickens will be one episode. They probably couldn't find a farmer who would let them visit the chicken coop in fear that they would scare the chickens to death--just like the visit last year to milk the cows--meltdown!
I watched the new show about the quints yesterday and I think they sound similar to the Gosselin's. I think they started with more, but I think the show was a way for the father to possibly find work and not have to move out of their home. If TLC continues on the same path, they won't be broke much longer. It might end up in divorce (we will know if they schedule a vow renewal) but I'm sure this episode will incline some people to give a "love offering". JMO!

 

[C.Ann]

I agree with you C.Ann. The problem is Kate can't make it without the kids. That is obvious with her last book flop, DWTS (and I don't care how much money she brought in) and the Paula Deen show that fell through. She is high maintenance and TLC will use her while they can, but they will also drop her like a hot potato.
I think the chickens will be one episode. They probably couldn't find a farmer who would let them visit the chicken coop in fear that they would scare the chickens to death--just like the visit last year to milk the cows--meltdown!
I watched the new show about the quints yesterday and I think they sound similar to the Gosselin's. I think they started with more, but I think the show was a way for the father to possibly find work and not have to move out of their home. If TLC continues on the same path, they won't be broke much longer. It might end up in divorce (we will know if they schedule a vow renewal) but I'm sure this episode will incline some people to give a "love offering". JMO!

There's another multiples show on??? Enough already!

All I know about the "chickens" is what has been posted here.. I don't watch the show anymore (obviously) and I haven't seen any advertisements for it yet.. Be that as it may, I can't imagine Kate having chickens around for very long - since she couldn't even manage the dogs.. So - you're probably right that it's a temporary situation.. If that's supposed to be the exciting "draw" for the next episodes viewers though, they might as well shut down the set right now..

 

[madge]

Someone earlier metioned Marth Stewart. I had a chuckle out if that. While she is crafty, handy and has a green thumb that makes me green with envy....she also has a monster sized property and makes milikns and doesn't do it alone. Maybe it was her dry wit (does she have wit?), but I watched N interview where she implied that she does it all alone. While I do not doubt that she has her hands ineverything and could do it all alone on a much smaller scale, their simply isn't enough time in the day to run her
multi-media empire and operate her "plantation" solo. But it truly did seem she was claiming that in the interview.

I brought up Martha. LOL.

She's one of the most well known bossy (and foul-mouthed, LOL) people on the planet. I've never gotten the sense she does it alone. In fact, she talks about assistants and such all the time. I don't doubt for a minute she claimed otherwise, though. I get the sense that it's all about Martha in her little world.

Thanks for the info about equity scale/pay -- that's what I was curious about. There's no way that you can compare the Gosselin kids to Miranda Cosgrove.

 

[walden]

Ah, but the difference is, this is about Kate. It doesn't matter how much other kids work for some people (OK Walden, once again I do have to give you that..you do make it about all the kids not just teh G's, and I do respect that. You are consistant in that.)

Well, thanks for the shout out, Doris, but I'm not the only one here who has been consistant in being all about the kids! I'd mention a few names but am afraid I'd offend someone by leaving them out. They all know who they are though.

I do feel they should get their own paycheck. Now that they are AND it is above equity rates...and I'm fine with Kate making more. It makes sense ti
to me.

Lisa, I think you are being a bit optimistic if you are relying solely on that Popeater article above for the kids' earnings. http://www.popeater.com/2010/06/16/kate-gosselin-kids-money/. It is the usual unnamed sources chatting to Popeater and the main purpose of the article seems to be to trash Jon (not that he hasn't made himself a prime target for trashing!) I don't find Popeater a reliable source. They have reported inaccurate gossip many times, and not just about the Gosselins. Have you found any other sources detailing the compensation for the children? I just googled and couldn't.

As to the hours worked and separate compensation -- well, it took a Department of Labor investigation to force them into compliance with the existing law and pull work permits. After the State Congressional hearing and the filing of new legislation I'm sure they are watching their Ps and Qs.

There's another multiples show on??? Enough already!

All I know about the "chickens" is what has been posted here.. I don't watch the show anymore (obviously) and I haven't seen any advertisements for it yet.. Be that as it may, I can't imagine Kate having chickens around for very long - since she couldn't even manage the dogs.. So - you're probably right that it's a temporary situation.. If that's supposed to be the exciting "draw" for the next episodes viewers though, they might as well shut down the set right now..

The chickens! There are too many great comments here about the chilckens that made me laugh. Count me in as a person who grew up with chickens and I can't stand the stinky things! I'm sure they will just be there for the one show.

On the dogs: I always suspected they were there temporarily and a good show topic, although I think Jon did like having them. Being a dog person, I was really annoyed by the way TLC happily displayed how to do everything wrong when getting a dog.

The "breeder/trainer" was very suspect. The only thing that made him *reputable* was that he was willing to take the puppies back. Not to get too far OT, but the Gs were inexperienced with dogs, had multiple children under 5, unprepared to take the pups home (Kate had to rush out and buy crates and food), and obviously had no concept of training. Frankly, no reputable breeder would have rushed to sell them one puppy, let alone two, and litter-mates to boot! Litter-mates tend to bond more to each other, not to their owners. Add to that, the lack of teaching the children to respect the dogs' space, the fact that they were outside dogs, the lack of training, and the fact that neither of the sibling pups were fixed before they went back (dogs can get pregnant during their first heat at 6 months) . . .

Please don't do what the Gosselins did if you are contemplating getting a dog.

 

[walden]

I brought up Martha. LOL.

She's one of the most well known bossy (and foul-mouthed, LOL) people on the planet. I've never gotten the sense she does it alone. In fact, she talks about assistants and such all the time. I don't doubt for a minute she claimed otherwise, though. I get the sense that it's all about Martha in her little world.

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Don't hold back, Madge!

Don't forget that Martha is also a convicted felon and has done jail time for insider trading! To keep on topic: If even half the wide spread rumors about Martha's vile personality and horrible behavior are true, Kate Gosselin probably looks quite good in comparison.

::Small voice:: I have to admit that I've always admired Martha's creativity and used to watch her show. She does have assistants and acknowledges that freely, but the skills she demonstrates are her own.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Don't hold back, Madge!

Don't forget that Martha is also a convicted felon and has done jail time for insider trading! To keep on topic: If even half the wide spread rumors about Martha's vile personality and horrible behavior are true, Kate Gosselin probably looks quite good in comparison.

::Small voice:: I have to admit that I've always admired Martha's creativity and used to watch her show. She does have assistants and acknowledges that freely, but the skills she demonstrates are her own.

I am glad folks are not fooled by the "romanticized" version of Martha.

Yes she is talented but I was chuckling at the irony of bringing her up given a particular interview I saw. Lol.

In any case...evidently Alexis (is that Martha's dd's name? How oddly funny)--has major issues with her momma and growing up with Martha.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Lisa, I think you are being a bit optimistic if you are relying solely on that Popeater article above for the kids' earnings. http://www.popeater.com/2010/06/16/kate-gosselin-kids-money/. It is the usual unnamed sources chatting to Popeater and the main purpose of the article seems to be to trash Jon (not that he hasn't made himself a prime target for trashing!) .... Have you found any other sources detailing the compensation for the children?
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I'm unclear as how you got optimism from my post. But while on the subject, I didn't post the citation originally. I merely responded to those complaining about Kate's cut. If the source was unreliable, it seems that you should have also advised others to not be so pessimistic, right?

I don't have a vested interest in the family to be optimistic or pessimistic. I simply engage in discussion from a non-emotional perspective. Thus I do not jump up and down for joy or blaspheme Kate's behaviors. Nor do I go on a google frenzy to find out what they are writing about her now.

If reliable information is the rule of the thread...what in earth would we chat about?

 

[mousey]

Not to start a debate, but isn't the Gosselin kids college already paid for by the State of Pennsylvania. I thought that was one of the "deals" that happened when they were crying poor.

I don't think these kids can be compared to actual child actors. They don't have the training or experience to read actual lines and perform. Their pay isn't gonig to be nearly as much as a real actor/actress.

I think its funny that Jon is paid by TLC just to keep away and keep his mouth shut. Now if that isn't a joke!

With all these multiple births happening all over, I think they are going to have to find some other angle to sell their families. I know there has been multiples in the past who live a normal life and don't want to be in the spotlight. With some of the shows TLC has been releasing lately, I think they are probably looking for a mother/father who are over 7 foot tall with a 5 foot or taller toddlers, a family of aliens from another planet, etc...

 

[DMRick]

Not to start a debate, but isn't the Gosselin kids college already paid for by the State of Pennsylvania. I thought that was one of the "deals" that happened when they were crying poor.

No, they opened an account for them, but PA has said they have not put any money in the account. The account was opened when they were born, just because PA thought it was a nice thing to do. Others were invited to put money in, and again supposedly, there is very little in that account..one person posted about $50, but I have no idea where they got that info.

 

[OhMari]

A quick google search Nd I found the minimum daily rate for a speaking part to be $782. (for ilustration only....the Gosselins FAIK are not equity)

Also found that in 2008, Charlie sheen was reported to be making $825,000 and a 2010 article revealed that he is staying on for 2 more seasons to the tune of 2 million per episode. Where's the outrage over him
making 8 times more than his child co-star?

Comparisons only work when they are apples to apples. Everyone is entitled to their own opinons, but again...it only makes sense to do a fair comparison than to paint Kate as some sort of evil b/c she makes more per episode than her kids

lastly...I may have missed it....do we have a confirmation of how many episodes they arendoing and do we have a factual accounting of Kate's filming schedule vs. the kids that is absent of hyperbole? She has more screen time per episode. That is obvious.

OMG, Charlie Sheen is going to make 2 million an epside? this clearly is stating how much money networks are raking in for advertising. If the network on a regular channel, I'm sure a cable channel, is raking in a fair amount of money from advertisers. The same commercials are shown. Except TLC likes to promote their own channel during each commercial break, if not twice. TLC is making a ton of money off the Gosselins. If Kate is only making $200,000 for the season, she is way under paid. I really don't care either if these people are not actors, because the network is taking all the money.

 

[MAKmom]

Kate is the star now...having the kids got her the show but she is a star on her own now.

I mean she was on Dancing with the Stars so it must be true

The kids are not working like most child actors on weekly shows. They still go to school & really are not required to do much but have fun most of the time. Is it 12 shows for the next year or season, I'm not sure how that works.

If you really want to get upset how about the poor Amish kids that have to work on the farms all week then have to work at the Farmers Market on the weekends.

 

[DMRick]

If you really want to get upset how about the poor Amish kids that have to work on the farms all week then have to work at the Farmers Market on the weekends.

When we camp, and the Amish kids from the farm next door are there with their baked goods for 5 or 6 hours two days in a row in the hot sun, I never know if we're (our camping group) doing them a favor by buying, so they can unload faster, or if we shouldn't, so their parents won't make them keep coming back. They are young too..the older gal just turned 12 and her little sister is 7 or 8. They work hard, pulling the cart from their home with the baked goods on them.

 

[3prettyprincesses]

I am glad folks are not fooled by the "romanticized" version of Martha.

Yes she is talented but I was chuckling at the irony of bringing her up given a particular interview I saw. Lol.

In any case...evidently Alexis (is that Martha's dd's name? How oddly funny)--has major issues with her momma and growing up with Martha.

I've heard that too about Martha's daughter. Alexis actually did a show called "Whatever Martha" where she and her friend made fun of her mom's show! Ya, I'm thinking there are some serious issues there. Martha certainly doesn't strike me as warm and fuzzy. She comes across very controlling but I used to love her show when I was newly married. I think I'd have serious gastrointestinal issues if I had to work for that woman.

 

[kidshop]

A quick google search Nd I found the minimum daily rate for a speaking part to be $782. (for ilustration only....the Gosselins FAIK are not equity)

Also found that in 2008, Charlie sheen was reported to be making $825,000 and a 2010 article revealed that he is staying on for 2 more seasons to the tune of 2 million per episode. Where's the outrage over him
making 8 times more than his child co-star?

Comparisons only work when they are apples to apples. Everyone is entitled to their own opinons, but again...it only makes sense to do a fair comparison than to paint Kate as some sort of evil b/c she makes more per episode than her kids

lastly...I may have missed it....do we have a confirmation of how many episodes they arendoing and do we have a factual accounting of Kate's filming schedule vs. the kids that is absent of hyperbole? She has more screen time per episode. That is obvious.

Charlie Sheen is not living off of this kid's income. If he quit, they would replace the child with another actor.

It is definitely a step in the right direction if the kids themselves are paid, but it seems it is still as a unit rather than individual.. I hope someone is dividing it fairly.

I concur the deal was 12 (1 hour) episodes of kate plus 8.

 

[walden]

I'm unclear as how you got optimism from my post. But while on the subject, I didn't post the citation originally. I merely responded to those complaining about Kate's cut. If the source was unreliable, it seems that you should have also advised others to not be so pessimistic, right?

I don't have a vested interest in the family to be optimistic or pessimistic. I simply engage in discussion from a non-emotional perspective. Thus I do not jump up and down for joy or blaspheme Kate's behaviors. Nor do I go on a google frenzy to find out what they are writing about her now.

If reliable information is the rule of the thread...what in earth would we chat about?

Hmmm. I didn't realise that saying that someone might be being a bit optimistic was such a negative. Calm down, I think optimism is a positive attribute.

However, to clarify my question, I was responding to this statement by you:

"Originally Posted by Lisa loves Pooh
I do feel they should get their own paycheck. Now that they are AND it is above equity rates...and I'm fine with Kate making more. It makes sense ti
to me."

I was simply asking A. whether your statement that the G children were being paid above equity rates was based on the Popeater article numbers (irrelevant as to whoever posted the link) plus the stuff you dug up on child actors' pay only, and B. whether you had found another more reliable source that I had been unable to find with a quick unfrenzied Google search?

I guess the answer was "No." You did not make that statement based on any published source, reliable or unreliable. It was simply your opinion, to which you are entitled. I'm happy to discuss your opinions, and respectfully repeat that, in my opinion, assuming that the Gosselin children are being paid above equity rates is a bit optimitic. We do not know reliably what their compensation is at this time.

Finally, please don't tell me to whom, when and how to respond on this thread. I don't respond to every post, and only quote when I have a question or comment that is directly relevant to a post.