Jon and Kate Plus 8 Official Thread - Part 8

[madge]

Not that I think she is like most single mom's, but maybe she's like every other single working mom that travels a lot. I don't know any of them personally, but I'm sure there are some. I think Hilary used to travel a lot when her daughter was young. Dare I compare her to Jackie O (ok, I"m ducking out of the way..don't hit me)? She traveled a lot and left her children behind when they were young with nannies. That's one of the perks of being old..I actually remember when things were said when she left her kids. Although I think it was more a safety issure for her.

somehow, I kind of doubt Kate is targeting the Hillary Clinton or Jackie Kennedy working moms but, I do see your point.

 

[madge]

I guess I need to see what Kevin & Jodi are alleging ...

from Twitter:

@jongosselin1
The allegations made today by Kevin and Jodi Kreider have not been my experience at all during the production of “Jon & Kate plus8.”

@jongosselin1
Kate and I were doing what was best for our family. And it gave us an opportunity to spend quality family time together. Jon Gosselin

 

[kidshop]

I guess I need to see what Kevin & Jodi are alleging ...

from Twitter:

@jongosselin1
The allegations made today by Kevin and Jodi Kreider have not been my experience at all during the production of “Jon & Kate plus8.”

@jongosselin1
Kate and I were doing what was best for our family. And it gave us an opportunity to spend quality family time together. Jon Gosselin

They let Jon Twitter? I guess they approve it or tell him what to write. I hope the kids remember all that quality time.

We know those kids were filmed A LOT, probably more so than any in the past based on the number of episodes and seasons they crammed into a few short years.

 

[Buckalew11]

You know, on the Today Show today, they were talking about Michael Douglas' son's drug trafficing charge. They were talking to some authority about why so many children of famous people have drug problems to start with. One of the things was being left by parents to be raised by nannies. Interesting.

They also showed more of Kate's interview.

 

[walden]

according to the article I just read (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5h-Ttgh3cRm4ORGPnrcpZm4AFZJBQD9F2V9EG1) ... they didn't create a trust fund for the children until November. I can't help but wonder if they (Jon AND Kate) would have ever created one if hadn't been forced to.

Also a very interesting article. So 15% in the Trust means less than 2% per child? I should hope that the trust does contain a bit more than that!

I looked up the relevant PA regs. They really do need clarifying and updating. Lots of loopholes that need closing.
http://www.portal.state.pa.us/portal/server.pt?open=514&objID=567595&mode=2

 

[kidshop]

according to the article I just read (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5h-Ttgh3cRm4ORGPnrcpZm4AFZJBQD9F2V9EG1) ... they didn't create a trust fund for the children until November. I can't help but wonder if they (Jon AND Kate) would have ever created one if hadn't been forced to.

There it is: those children were ruled to be employed.

 

[DMRick]

I don't believe they ever said they created a trust fund, just that they put money aside. Jon admitted they could get to the funds if they needed to. Kate said they had enough for college. I had gotten the impression that the house was the kids. I hope it really is and that is where a lot of the money went, rather than just 'gone'.

according to the article I just read (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5h-Ttgh3cRm4ORGPnrcpZm4AFZJBQD9F2V9EG1) ... they didn't create a trust fund for the children until November. I can't help but wonder if they (Jon AND Kate) would have ever created one if hadn't been forced to.

 

[DMRick]

Also a very interesting article. So 15% in the Trust means less than 2% per child? I should hope that the trust does contain a bit more than that!

I looked up the relevant PA regs. They really do need clarifying and updating. Lots of loopholes that need closing.
http://www.portal.state.pa.us/portal/server.pt?open=514&objID=567595&mode=2

Even the trust fund money can be used:
" It said that at least 15 percent of the gross proceeds, due to the children, must be placed in trust funds until they reach the age of 18 or unless needed for their safety, education, welfare or health.
Laurie Goldberg, a spokeswoman for Discovery Talent Services and TLC, said Wednesday the trust was established in November and that the amount placed in trust exceeds the 15 percent level."

 

[madge]

There it is: those children were ruled to be employed.

no one here will be surprised by that.

I really hope some of the die-hard fans, the true sheeple who blindly believe Kate can do no wrong (and no one here, I might add) read some of the findings from this hearing. That these children were working, holidays were fabricated for the show, permits weren't filed, etc. TLC was taking advantage of Jon & Kate and Jon & Kate, to an certain extent, were letting them. Things were not as they seemed on the show.

OH. one thing I just remember reading in the book. about the security.

Evidently, Jon & Kate's van tires were slashed (in the driveway) on two separate occasions. The network had a security sweep done on the house and determined a security guard was needed. for Kate. not for Jon, not for the children... for Kate.

has nothing to do with the trial, but I just remembered it.

 

[DMRick]

There it is: those children were ruled to be employed.

But as I read on and TLC denies it, I wonder if there will end up being a ruling on the rulling. And if they definately were employed, why aren't they fining them?

 

[madge]

Even the trust fund money can be used:
" It said that at least 15 percent of the gross proceeds, due to the children, must be placed in trust funds until they reach the age of 18 or unless needed for their safety, education, welfare or health.
Laurie Goldberg, a spokeswoman for Discovery Talent Services and TLC, said Wednesday the trust was established in November and that the amount placed in trust exceeds the 15 percent level."

hopefully, there will be an outside party secured to manage the trust.

 

[DMRick]

holidays were fabricated for the show,

Didn't we on the thread know this already? I believe we knew that Christmas was held early, so they could tape it. Were other holidays as well (I hope we don't get in trouble for the two times we lied to our kids and had Christmas two days early LOL. Luckily they were young enough to not realize it)? I keep listening to the updates as the day goes by, and really, they do keep saying this is for reform of the state, and it is not meant to be singling out the Gosselins. So that may be why we aren't seeing any talk about fines.

 

[madge]

Didn't we on the thread know this already? I believe we knew that Christmas was held early, so they could tape it.

right. we did know. ironically, the bashers knew, as well. LOL.

Were other holidays as well (I hope we don't get in trouble for the two times we lied to our kids and had Christmas two days early LOL. Luckily they were young enough to not realize it)?

were you filming a reality show? did you do it to get a reaction out of your kids? LOL

 

[kidshop]

hopefully, there will be an outside party secured to manage the trust.

Well, that would be the most important thing wouldn't it? I hope that will be a stipulation in the tightened laws. Parents who make so much money off something that involves their kids shouldn't be given blind trust.

 

[DMRick]

were you filming a reality show? did you do it to get a reaction out of your kids? LOL

We did for our convenience. Working for a vet meant I had to work on the actual day and I didn't want to miss out on anything. We did tape it, and we did tell them it was actually Christmas LOL. What was funny, is we celebrated a few days later with family, and they still didn't get that we opened gifts on the wrong day. The tape was dated, and the date on the tape was a dead giveaway, when we gave our adult kids copies years later LOL. Yep, we were caught! We still laugh about it.

Paul Peterson is a good speaker. It is interesting that the states have to make the laws, because the feds just don't have them. He sounds so less blaming, and more let's look to the future than others. If he continues with other states, this is going to affect all the reality shows with kids, including the Duggars.

We should have all met there..a dis meet. It's open to the public.

 

[OhMari]

But as I read on and TLC denies it, I wonder if there will end up being a ruling on the rulling. And if they definately were employed, why aren't they fining them?

Remember Jon and Kate always said, "if someone does not want to be taped, they don't have to." And, "if one of us wants to stop taping, then we all stop taping."

I really think it was in the contract-this is why there is no more filming. Sure TLC sued Jon, but it wasn't for Jon wanting to stop the taping, they got him for not abiding by things in his contract; ie other promotions that he profited from-Las Vegas etc.. The old contract has to be finished soon, and I'm sure Jon is going to come out screaming, unless TLC has a permenant "no talking about TLC at all during his lifetime".


I don't think the Gosselins are going to receive any fines from the state of PA. How can you be fined, for a law or ordinance that doesn't exist. These are just hearings. It will probably take another 6 months to a year, for child labor laws to get in place.

 

[madge]

and the (alleged) backstage nastiness continues ...

Perez Hilton

 

[walden]

Even the trust fund money can be used:
" It said that at least 15 percent of the gross proceeds, due to the children, must be placed in trust funds until they reach the age of 18 or unless needed for their safety, education, welfare or health.
Laurie Goldberg, a spokeswoman for Discovery Talent Services and TLC, said Wednesday the trust was established in November and that the amount placed in trust exceeds the 15 percent level."

Yes, the trust was established as late as November 2009. Apparently to comply with the Department of Labor's requirements and thus avoid penalties. I'm not convinced that setting it up was voluntary and shudder to think how little will be left if the Gosselins do tap it for funds before the kids are 18.

But as I read on and TLC denies it, I wonder if there will end up being a ruling on the rulling. And if they definately were employed, why aren't they fining them?

Of course TLC will deny it from the rooftops, because to say otherwise would be to admit that they knowingly broke the law. Both Gosselin parents will deny it for the same reasons. In fact, TLC has tacitly admitted that they were out of compliance with PA labor laws, even in the present poor form, because they have agreed that permits must be pulled for future filming.

Paul Peterson is a good speaker. It is interesting that the states have to make the laws, because the feds just don't have them. He sounds so less blaming, and more let's look to the future than others. If he continues with other states, this is going to affect all the reality shows with kids, including the Duggars.

We should have all met there..a dis meet. It's open to the public.

The Feds do have some basic requirements. One of the things that Paul Petersen is working toward is a Federal Law protecting all children in the entertainment industry. I respect him for that because I think this case proves that it is needed. I also think his heart is in the right place, but find him a little annoying.

Remember Jon and Kate always said, "if someone does not want to be taped, they don't have to." And, "if one of us wants to stop taping, then we all stop taping."

I really think it was in the contract-this is why there is no more filming. Sure TLC sued Jon, but it wasn't for Jon wanting to stop the taping, they got him for not abiding by things in his contract; ie other promotions that he profited from-Las Vegas etc.. The old contract has to be finished soon, and I'm sure Jon is going to come out screaming, unless TLC has a permenant "no talking about TLC at all during his lifetime".


I don't think the Gosselins are going to receive any fines from the state of PA. How can you be fined, for a law or ordinance that doesn't exist. These are just hearings. It will probably take another 6 months to a year, for child labor laws to get in place.

Actually, the Gosselins and TLC have been found out of compliance with the inadequate and out of date Child Labor laws that do already exist. It ruled that the children were indeed working. The Dept of Labor could have fined them big time -- or in fact incarcerated them! -- under existing law. It apparently chose not to and merely settled for the trust fund and a promise to pull work permits in the future. It seems that state legislators are not happy to hear that, and I can only expect a few heads will roll at the Dept of Labor. [Former state (not PA) employee here and I would not want to be working for the PA Dept of Labor today. Ouch!]

These hearings are in preparation for filing better and more explicit legislation.

 

[DMRick]

I don't know what the feds have and what they don't have, I just listened to Petersen and he said he's working to change the individual states.

TLC has denied it wasn't in compliance, and if the state can prove they were, than shame on them for not fining them. But they didn't fine them, so since they were not charged with something, they have nothing to defend.

In any case, they are now past the investigation on the Gosselin's/TLC, it's over, and they will be moving on, and I assume they will make sure the t's are crossed and the i's are dotted.

The hearing is not to try to charge the Gosselin's or TLC with anything..that has been made clear several times today, but to try to make changes, since the laws as they stand were written, they said over 20 years ago, when reality TV wasn't even thought of. So in the future, if new laws are passed, it will help anyone taping show's in PA.

 

[walden]

I don't know what the feds have and what they don't have, I just listened to Petersen and he said he's working to change the individual states.

TLC has denied it wasn't in compliance, and if the state can prove they were, than shame on them for not fining them. But they didn't fine them, so since they were not charged with something, they have nothing to defend.

In any case, they are now past the investigation on the Gosselin's/TLC, it's over, and they will be moving on, and I assume they will make sure the t's are crossed and the i's are dotted.

The hearing is not to try to charge the Gosselin's or TLC with anything..that has been made clear several times today, but to try to make changes, since the laws as they stand were written, they said over 20 years ago, when reality TV wasn't even thought of. So in the future, if new laws are passed, it will help anyone taping show's in PA.

We are mostly in agreement, believe it or not!

Shame on the state of Pennsylvania for not penalizing TLC severely. I think once the transcript of today's hearings is available it will clarify a lot of things.

And, yes, today's hearings are all about additional protections in future legislation. I think I said that quite clearly in my previous post.

The federal requirement is that each state has a child labor law fulfilling basic provisions for the welfare of children. Here is a link. http://www.dol.gov/dol/topic/youthlabor/

The specifics are up to each state, as are many laws.

I realize that my statement regarding Paul Petersen eventually working towards Federal legislation (as opposed to scatter-shot-time-consuming-state-by-state legislation) was based on a private email -- his response to a very pointed question from me.

No. Without his express permission I will not copy and paste the email here. It was a personal email. He is a nice, if busy, guy though and will probably get back to you in a few weeks if you ask him a question yourself. IIRC, he took over month to respond to my question, but I did not hold it against him.

ETA: I emailed Paul Petersen via his Website.http://www.minorcon.org/

I asked for evidence that A Minor Consideration was a 501 (c) 3, and reassurance that he was not just grandstanding but had a plan in place. His response satisfied me on all counts. I do think he is a really nice guy with his heart and brain in all the right places. YMMV.