Jon and Kate Plus 8 Official Thread - Part 8

[Lisa loves Pooh]

We're not talking about a simple cough or sneeze, she specified that 5 out of the 6 were coughing for almost a week, I agree that running to a pediatrician for every illness is not the best use of time (mom's or the doctors) but the scenario rubbed me the wrong way. For someone who continually preaches that she does "everything" for her children and so on I would have thought that she would have left this story out of the book. I really think she left it in there to gain more sympathy from people about how no one (the doctors and their staff) worked with her and her large, unusual family and she expected them to.

Recently, I coughed for 14 days straight

AND

My kids caught the cough

AND

we all lived to tell the tale.

Since you weren't there to diagnose the cough, it would be safe to presume that it didn't sound all that bad to Kate.

On your last sentence, I can someowhat agree--since the whole premise of the book is to garner sympathy.

But in general--I don't feel it appropriate to bash her on medical care issues especially given the current state in this country where folks have difficulty having even the most basic things taken care of.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I don't either .. although I'm a little surprised by it. I would hope (and have no way of knowing, since 1. I don't have that many children and 2. I don't think I will, at this point in my life. LOL) that the doctor's office would be as accomodating as they could be, given the circumstances. I know that the office can't and shouldn't drop everything for the Gosselin children, but I'd hope they (J/K and the ped. office) could work out a compromise.

One would hope--but since my son was refused to be taken on as a patient due to his very old age--little surprises me anymore.

 

[DMRick]

If you keep your eye on her in the background all the time you will see this.

We must be watching two different shows LOL. I did keep an eye on her in the background, because I knew someone would post that either Tony didn't sit near her, or she had a scowl on her face in the background. I did catch her not smiling once when she was in the background (and I thought, uh oh, that will be posted, shame on her), but other than that, she often smiled, talked to Tony sitting next to her, leaned over to talk with another person at times, and generally, well, smiled.
I also rewound it and looked at the others, and sometimes they too were not smiling. Pam actually looked like she had a scowl once too, but I assumed she was uncomfortable in her, er outfit. Or lack there of.

 

[Dee77]

Too bad you don't keep up with my posts. I go both ways on Kate.

I find it absolutely impressive that people are so hell bent to follow her and post their latest annoyance with her.

But when folks start picking the silliest things to pick on just for the sake of picking on it, one has to wonder what makes us so perfect that we have time to bash everything she does as a mom.

She wrote a book, an excerpt from said book was made available, I made a comment on it and you decided to quote me while defending her. I didn't think it was necessary to check your overall posts to see where you stood on the great Kate debate. And that is exactly what it is, a debate about someone who lets' every aspect of her life be known and up for public scrutiny.

As for picking on the silliest things, I think her children and how they are cared for or not cared for is not silly. The kids are the only ones I care about in this equation.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

To clarify, my surprise with people's defense of Kate is that it appears to come with a blind eye to all the very questionable things she has done in the glare of the public, by her own choice and with very little/if any remorse on her part for those choices.

Amazing how this statement and your very direct statement to me--points to you considering me being "blind" to Kate.

You must not keep up with me at all--I call it like I see it. I always find it fascinating how "shocked" former fans turned haters are that she had this facade and made all this stuff up. The woman behaved like a witch from teh very beginning--but her antics are constantly put up as the proof of why everyone's opinon changed.

I've never been fooled by her--I am not blind. I can also separate her reality from her fantasy.

You've posted point blank on teh doctor issue and I simply replied that her situation was extremely plausible.

Is it victim mentality for a buck? Absolutely--but does it mean she should have known better. Absolutely not--some docs are pains in the butt to deal with and sometimes due to the matters of your children, you are left with no choice but to put up with it.

Another example I have--there is a local pediatric opthomolegist here--absolutely amazing for severe vision issues. However, if you just need to check your kid for their need for glasses, he is best to be avoided. Constant long waits and a dismissive bedside manner. Horrible horribel horrible--but those with children who have more severe issues...are stuck. In those cases--the brains is more important than pretty much anything else you would utilize to discern if he is a good fit for you.

It is blind to assume that b/c Kate is Kate that all of her problems are of her own doing as you so boldly suggested. She may think she walks on water, but she doesn't and she does have some quite legitimate challenges. Her incessant whining makes it difficult to discern the real issues from the mountain out of mole hill issues.

But someone who is not blind, can certainly tell the difference.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

She wrote a book, an excerpt from said book was made available, I made a comment on it and you decided to quote me while defending her. I didn't think it was necessary to check your overall posts to see where you stood on the great Kate debate. And that is exactly what it is, a debate about someone who lets' every aspect of her life be known and up for public scrutiny.

As for picking on the silliest things, I think her children and how they are cared for or not cared for is not silly. The kids are the only ones I care about in this equation.

No, but you can use one quote to infer and then later directly imply that I am "blind".

Before jumping to such conclusions, perhaps you should do a little homework.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

We must be watching two different shows LOL. I did keep an eye on her in the background, because I knew someone would post that either Tony didn't sit near her, or she had a scowl on her face in the background. I did catch her not smiling once when she was in the background (and I thought, uh oh, that will be posted, shame on her), but other than that, she often smiled, talked to Tony sitting next to her, leaned over to talk with another person at times, and generally, well, smiled.
I also rewound it and looked at the others, and sometimes they too were not smiling. Pam actually looked like she had a scowl once too, but I assumed she was uncomfortable in her, er outfit. Or lack there of.

I've picked up a pattern that if she realizes that the camera is live (b/c she can see the on-air light typically--or it is obvious i.e. when Brooke is interviewing another contestant)--that she has "show" face.

But she reverts to her "normal" face when the camera was off.

This is why last night, when she had Tony were next to each other and watching another couple dance....she was commenting/asking a question or something (didn't appear judgemental to me)--I was a bit surprised, b/c she looked genuinely interested in what she was observing and what Tony had to say about it.

It is easy for the camera to catch "off moments" when you don't realize it is on.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Oh, I think the sad thing is that she does realize she is feeding in to it and does it anyway. She has nothing else to offer, but her "drama" she knows she has to have some product to sell in order to get in the media spotlight, and this domestic misery stuff is all she has. She does love to complain about it and act like the victim though doesn't she?

Did anyone else think she looked like she had gained alot of weight and looked really "thick" in the middle? Her skin looks bad - unless she is positive she is on camera, she has that scowl on her face that makes her look very unattractive. Even when she puts a big smile on for the camera like she did in the opening yesterday as the camera panned, and she mouthed "I love you" to the camera, that smile is GONE as soon as she thinks the camera is gone by.....If you keep your eye on her in the background all the time you will see this.

I notice this as well--but I have done the same thing to when I was on tv many moons ago.

I always treat a microphone "hot"--meaning you don't say anything you ever intend to be broadcasted while wearing one b/c there can be a sound malfunction....

But with camera's--you can usually see if the light is on or not.

On stage is even funnier--when that current goes down...all the jubilant actors usually have the smiles wiped off their faces and are ready to go home.

Very Dr. Jekyl and Mr. Hyde.

As a reality personality though--she should really be aware that any camera at any time can get a glimpse of her...and her scowls, unlike the other celebs--will hurt her the most.

 

[DMRick]

This is why last night, when she had Tony were next to each other and watching another couple dance....she was commenting/asking a question or something (didn't appear judgemental to me)--I was a bit surprised, b/c she looked genuinely interested in what she was observing and what Tony had to say about it.

It is easy for the camera to catch "off moments" when you don't realize it is on.

I thought her face was softer last night..that she was more relaxed. Her and Tony seemed more like 'friends'. I don't know if it's because she did better, maybe she's listening to him more (as much as Kate can listen to another), or what. But I watched with someone who really doesn't like Kate and she thought she was softer last night as well. She certainly had her share of critics from my house last night, as a few of us watched together LOL. But then, so did some of the other dancers. I'll be the first to admit I know zero about dancing, but I sure wish I knew why some got such high points (after the critique was bad) and other's got such low, after the critique was pretty good. Obviously the judges know a lot more about techique than I do.

 

[DMRick]

No one has mentioned that Kate's posture hasn't been mentioned, unless I missed it. Some felt that would be an issue. Although I don't see a problem with the guy they do keep mentioning. He looks fine to me.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I thought her face was softer last night..that she was more relaxed. Her and Tony seemed more like 'friends'. I don't know if it's because she did better, maybe she's listening to him more (as much as Kate can listen to another), or what. But I watched with someone who really doesn't like Kate and she thought she was softer last night as well. She certainly had her share of critics from my house last night, as a few of us watched together LOL. But then, so did some of the other dancers. I'll be the first to admit I know zero about dancing, but I sure wish I knew why some got such high points (after the critique was bad) and other's got such low, after the critique was pretty good. Obviously the judges know a lot more about techique than I do.

Maybe they went to dance partner cousneling this week.

I know nothing about technique. My very pedestrian guess is that their routine was slower tempo than usually custom for a tango (and thus calling great attention to very specific moves--allowing for no stumbles, but additional judging time on foot and arm placement and body position). But that is just a guess. It was likely her best...

But that is one thing that I don't like about DWTS in general--they really are judged at a professional level. It irritates me given the very unlevel playing field.

In a real ballroom compteition, there are many different levels and you wouldn't compete a novice against a platinum level dancer...ever.

So while I don't mind those with experience conducive to ballroom participating in the competion....I just never understood what they expect when they toss in the Buzz's, Kate's, or Jerry Springers. They don't have a snowballs chance in winning and it truly irritates the judges when the public keeps them around longer than the judges would have liked.

Anyway--just a DWTS dig on my part.

It is plausible that Kate technique wise should have scored lower--but I think they had to keep her at least on par with last week since she actually "danced" this week. I'm wondering if she would have gotten a point higher with Carrie Ann since Carrie Ann was insisting that the lift at the end was illegal, though Tony defended and said that it wasn't.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

No one has mentioned that Kate's posture hasn't been mentioned, unless I missed it. Some felt that would be an issue. Although I don't see a problem with the guy they do keep mentioning. He looks fine to me.

Her shoulders are straighter than I expected....but she could be focusing so much on keeping her back straight that overall it is causing the rest of her body to be stiff as a board. No idea though. It's not my body.

 

[Promomx2]

Didn't Tony say something about being surprised when Kate was speechless in the interview before they got their scores? I was only half watching, I can't handle her full dose anymore.

 

[madge]

that smile is GONE as soon as she thinks the camera is gone by.....If you keep your eye on her in the background all the time you will see this.

I'm not sure that it's an all the time thing, but I have noticed the same thing... that Kate seems to be very aware about where the camera is. What I noticed isn't so much that she's only smiling when the camera is on her, it's the kind of smile (and I know, that may sound nitpicky .. just bear with me ) that she's smiling. When the camera is on her and she's aware of it, she has a much more nervous looking, forced smile than she does when she thinks it's not on her or she isn't looking. Now, there were a couple of times that I saw her smile disappear pretty quickly, but it wasn't all the time that I noticed.

 

[madge]

I've picked up a pattern that if she realizes that the camera is live (b/c she can see the on-air light typically--or it is obvious i.e. when Brooke is interviewing another contestant)--that she has "show" face.

But she reverts to her "normal" face when the camera was off.

This is why last night, when she had Tony were next to each other and watching another couple dance....she was commenting/asking a question or something (didn't appear judgemental to me)--I was a bit surprised, b/c she looked genuinely interested in what she was observing and what Tony had to say about it.

It is easy for the camera to catch "off moments" when you don't realize it is on.

I should have read ahead. this is exactly what I was trying to say. LOL.

 

[mikki'smom]

I really think that you guys expect too much from Kate....finding fault with her because her smile isn't genuine while she's waiting to dance....?????....if I were sitting there instead of her, I'd be puking my guts out in a bucket....she's got to be terrified....I think she did much better last night and showed a genuine concern for the "task" that Tony has been given this season...she knows her limitations but she's not backing down....we'd all do well to latch onto a little of her spunk....

 

[walden]

I posted this a couple of pages ago, but I'll repost it for those who are interested in protections for the Children of Reality TV. http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/ente...041110-lawmaker-calls-gosselin-kin-to-hearing

Now, total disclosure, I am of the firm opinion that the children of Reality TV need protection from their parents and TV production companies. The PA existing Child Labor Law legislation has loopholes and gaps that TLC/Discovery and the Gosselin parents have probably railroaded through and exploited to the detriment of the well-being of the Gosselin Eight.

PA has nothing along the lines of the Coogan Law. The Coogan Law is only relevant to CA, although other states have, as needed, enacted somewhat similar laws to protect children

My understanding is that this PA legislator is holding a public hearing on the existing PA Child Labor Laws, tomorrow. This could indicate either pending draft legislation to amend the existing Child Labor Law in PA, or just a review of existing PA Child Labor Law with reference to the (IMHO appalling) Gosselin situation. It is not a hearing on the Gosselin complaint although the results of that investigation may well become public.

It will be well worth watching and following. Yes, people (including Kevin and Jodi) will be testifying. You may not like what they say, or even who they are, but many of them have first hand experience of child labor. And child exploitation.

May I just also add that we have some new posters here. Most are not new to the DIS, but are new to this thread. Can we please treat them with courtesy?

I am very much enjoying the new points of view, and I don't expect anyone to track back through pages of posts to *know* where I personally am coming from. Hey, we are not that cliquey, are we? Let's be nice.

Oh, and Kate was quite a bit improved on her latest dance. At least she didn't reduce me to embarrassed giggles, as she did with the Paso Doble, last week but she was still pretty bad, and deserved to be last. IMO.

 

[DMRick]

May I just also add that we have some new posters here. Most are not new to the DIS, but are new to this thread. Can we please treat them with courtesy?

I am very much enjoying the new points of view, and I don't expect anyone to track back through pages of posts to *know* where I personally am coming from. Hey, we are not that cliquey, are we? Let's be nice..

We have been being nice and everyone has been treated with courtesy. The fact that this thread is still open ins a testimony to that. We have disboard mod's who would be there to tell us if we weren't. Some of us who disagree publicly even chat in PM's about our point of views.
This is a discussion board. We are going to disagree, otherwise what would we have to discuss?

 

[talulabelle]

We have been being nice and everyone has been treated with courtesy. The fact that this thread is still open ins a testimony to that. We have disboard mod's who would be there to tell us if we weren't. Some of us who disagree publicly even chat in PM's about our point of views.
This is a discussion board. We are going to disagree, otherwise what would we have to discuss?

OMG Doris! I think you just channeled me with phrase! How many times have i said that?

FYI to everyone, I tend to post what I think about a given discussion. Once in a while I will quote someone I am agreeing with. Rarely I quote and reply directly to someone that I don't agree with,,,I may give my opinion, but I don't go head to head with their exact post as people usually find that combative (unless it is someone I know that can handle it) I usually just say what I think and skip over the ones I totally disagree with so as not to get my blood pressure up.

 

[talulabelle]

I really think that you guys expect too much from Kate....finding fault with her because her smile isn't genuine while she's waiting to dance....?????....if I were sitting there instead of her, I'd be puking my guts out in a bucket....she's got to be terrified....I think she did much better last night and showed a genuine concern for the "task" that Tony has been given this season...she knows her limitations but she's not backing down....we'd all do well to latch onto a little of her spunk....

Agreed, (a Little of the spunk anyway) but she would do really well to latch on to some of our tact and humility.