Jon and Kate Plus 8 Official Thread - Part 8

[mhsjax]

The bodyguard thing has always baffled me. Do you think the other "stars" arrived with security? I have had a couple brushes with fame...Sarah Gilbert, Reese Witherspoon, Rick Springfield, Bruce Hornsby; none of them had bodyguards with them. If people feel so negatively passionate about you that you fear for your safety, that may be a signal something's a bit off.

Then again, historically it is the fans who have taken celebrities' lives...not the ones who dislike them or their persona. Frightening.

Kate probably doesn't appear happy because she is wantful, entitled and never satisfied. That makes anyone unfulfilled. It seems like she is waiting for other people to fulfill her. DWTS is not going to do it for her either.



Her social skills (lack of) are the strangest thing about her imo. There is no graciousness. She doesn't even use "please" and "thank you" regularly. She can't give nor take a compliment. She certainly can't take any constructive criticism. I'll stop now.

I completely agree with you, she has no social graces. If you watch Jon and Kate closely, anytime she meets someone or they do something nice or say something nice she is like oh whatever. She is IMHO rude and stand offish. She can't say she is shy, we all know that she isn't that.

She is to me the epitome of the definition entitled and rude ,selfish and narcissism. And now I will stop.

 

[DMRick]

Wow. I just go back to all the times I have said, I just can't hate (or intensly dislike) someone I don't know. I can't even hate those I do. And I too will stop.

 

[mhsjax]

Wow. I just go back to all the times I have said, I just can't hate (or intensly dislike) someone I don't know. I can't even hate those I do. And I too will stop.

wouldn't say that I hate her, but I have no love for her either. I am just stating that facts the way I see them. You can't watch her and her actions and say that she is overly friendly. And I don't bother to ever get to know people like that (not that I would ever have a chance to know her). She just acts like the ice queen. It is ok with me, I don't have to like or dislike her. But with her attitude, she will be her own demise.

 

[whitneyNC]

Wow. I just go back to all the times I have said, I just can't hate (or intensly dislike) someone I don't know. I can't even hate those I do. And I too will stop.

Who said they didn't like her? I only read observations.
It can't go both ways. If you are incapable of disliking people you haven't personally met, you aren't capable of liking them either. People are never called out for saying they like (or love) her. I don't have any feelings for her beyond dismay.

 

[DMRick]

I just thought those are some pretty harsh observations about someone that we only saw through a TV show and on interviews where she has prob been told what to say, or at least how to act. I will say I don't think she has been smart in some of the things she has said in interviews. I can't say poor her, that she has no one in the audience, because I have no idea if she does. I know she does still have friends in her private life, but that won't ever come out, because of privacy wishes. I think she has been very good about not dragging others that do mean something to her into this fray.

I don't love her. I don't know enough her to say that. But I don't dislike her, or even see some of the things that were said here. I save my dislike for people who harm others, who injure pets, not for someone that was on a reality show. I do feel sorry for her, Jon and their family for what this has turned into. Do I place blame? I just can't, without knowing all the sides, which we may never know.

I just see a person, a mother, who is trying to make a living. I have no idea how she greets people, what it means when she down plays compliments, or if she's rude. I really don't.

I want to enjoy watching her on this show, without bringing the baggage from the old show. That show is over, and I'm more interested in this new life of her's. I hope she's successful, and in her success all goes well for the kids. Do I think she will win DWTS? Not a chance.

Who said they didn't like her? I only read observations.
It can't go both ways. If you are incapable of disliking people you haven't personally met, you aren't capable of liking them either. People are never called out for saying they like (or love) her. I don't have any feelings for her beyond dismay.

 

[Buckalew11]

I highly doubt she was rude to Tony upon meeting him. He was to be her dance partner. She NEEDS him. When interviewed on the Today Show (or one of those) they seemed to do fine together.

I didn't see that first look after the 1st judges comment as an "evil" look. I saw it as an "ut-oh, I may have gotten through this dance but not very well." I thought she looked more defeated than that she thought she wasn't being worshipped properly. lol. I guess we all see things very differently. No rights or wrongs, I guess, since we don't know what she was really thinking. She's at their mercy, period.

 

[walden]

Like it or not, Kate does bring the baggage from the old show. And lots of it. YMMV on her behavior, but people do seem to love her -- or dislike her extremely! And some of that is based on the behaviors she demonstrated quite liberally on our TV screens.

Editing/schmediting ...

Eh, that is how she got this gig! She is a veritable touchstone for controversy. If she were a passive sweetie-pie no-one would be interested.

I missed the DWTS turn and don't really want to see it. I've read enough here.

I just hope that she keeps the kiddywinks off screen. They need some more healing time. Lots more healing time.

 

[3prettyprincesses]

Like it or not, Kate does bring the baggage from the old show. And lots of it. YMMV on her behavior, but people do seem to love her -- or dislike her extremely! And some of that is based on the behaviors she demonstrated quite liberally on our TV screens.

Editing/schmediting ...

Eh, that is how she got this gig! She is a veritable touchstone for controversy. If she were a passive sweetie-pie no-one would be interested.

I missed the DWTS turn and don't really want to see it. I've read enough here.

I just hope that she keeps the kiddywinks off screen. They need some more healing time. Lots more healing time.

Ok, what does 'YMMV' mean? I keep seeing it everywhere and I can't figure it out!

I still think Kate looked vunerable and terrified. IMO she handled the criticism well. I wouldn't like to hear that my dancing partner looked like he was pushing a shopping cart (me) around the dance floor after spending weeks training. Geez, you should've seen Edyta's face and she's a professional! Her eyes were rolling at the judges comments and she looked totally put out.

 

[DMRick]

Editing/schmediting ...

Eh, that is how she got this gig! She is a veritable touchstone for controversy. If she were a passive sweetie-pie no-one would be interested.

This part I'll agree with (we agree way too much lately LOL). She is good at getting herself out there. Her partner has had very good things to say about her..once he isn't her partner anymore, we'll have to see if that changes.

YMMV=Your mileage may vary

Walden wrote:

And some of that is based on the behaviors she demonstrated quite liberally on our TV screens.

And again I have to say, some of that is based on the behavior of Kate (and Jon) that TLC chose to show us. I just don't know what we didn't see. TLC wasn't stupid. This has been one of the most talked about shows, if not the most talked about show in TLC's history. They (TLC) did something right (not that I agree with it, I mean in terms of in how they got people watching it) in how they portrayed this family so we would watch it.

 

[kidshop]

This part I'll agree with (we agree way too much lately LOL). She is good at getting herself out there. Her partner has had very good things to say about her..once he isn't her partner anymore, we'll have to see if that changes.

YMMV=Your mileage may vary

Walden wrote:

And again I have to say, some of that is based on the behavior of Kate (and Jon) that TLC chose to show us. I just don't know what we didn't see. TLC wasn't stupid. This has been one of the most talked about shows, if not the most talked about show in TLC's history. They (TLC) did something right (not that I agree with it, I mean in terms of in how they got people watching it) in how they portrayed this family so we would watch it.

I don't mind just talking about her in the context of DWTS. I feel more comfortable talking about it here rather than in the official DWTS thread, I don't want to clutter it up. I know this thread is still named Jon and Kate + Plus 8, but it is the continuation of the saga even though that chapter is closed. And I like the company here. but I can look at her now and comment on the present. (there is still plenty to work with )

Is there no happy, excited footage of Kate? B/c ABC chose not to show it, just as TLC did. They chose to show her in practice very flat. I find it weird.

Yes, I believe they showed everyone else happily meeting their pro.

I was pleasantly surprised they only showed one picture of the kids and no other footage of them...yet.

 

[DMRick]

(there is still plenty to work with )

 

[MAKmom]

wouldn't say that I hate her, but I have no love for her either. I am just stating that facts the way I see them. You can't watch her and her actions and say that she is overly friendly. And I don't bother to ever get to know people like that (not that I would ever have a chance to know her). She just acts like the ice queen. It is ok with me, I don't have to like or dislike her. But with her attitude, she will be her own demise.

I completely agree with you, she has no social graces. If you watch Jon and Kate closely, anytime she meets someone or they do something nice or say something nice she is like oh whatever. She is IMHO rude and stand offish. She can't say she is shy, we all know that she isn't that.

She is to me the epitome of the definition entitled and rude ,selfish and narcissism. And now I will stop.

I think it is her Pa Dutch roots...they are very stand offish. They are not known for being warm & friendly.

 

[mhsjax]

I think it is her Pa Dutch roots...they are very stand offish. They are not known for being warm & friendly.

Oh. Well as a true blue southerner, I find that completely unacceptable. Guess I will never visit PA.

 

[newtodis]

That is so sad...really there is NOONE in her life that wanted to use the free ticket to DWS and hang out with her for a couple days in Hollywood? She didn't have ANYONE left but her bodyguard who gets payed to be with her?

I'm sure they couldn't use the footage of her meeting Tony, because she was probably too rude. Any interaction I've ever seen her have with people she doesn't already know is strange and awkward. She doesn't have social graces.

I'm sure there were at least 8 little people who wanted to be with her and I'm sure tons of people would have lined up for free tickets to DWTS. Maybe there was someone and they asked to not be shown? It is a school night and many of her friends have kids and families I would assume. Then the friends would be criticized as well for not being home with their kids like Kate has been.

There may be an agreement (not sure with whom - ABC/TLC, Jon and Kate, someone) that the kids can't be shown. If Tony came to the house and met her, that could be why they couldn't use the footage (all the kiddos running around). Just a thought...

I'm sure she could have had her kids..but that wouldn't have made some very happy. Maybe she did have someone in the audience (does DWTS pay for the airfare for friends to be in the audience?) and they wanted to stay private.

I agree!

I completely agree with you, she has no social graces. If you watch Jon and Kate closely, anytime she meets someone or they do something nice or say something nice she is like oh whatever. She is IMHO rude and stand offish. She can't say she is shy, we all know that she isn't that.

She is to me the epitome of the definition entitled and rude ,selfish and narcissism. And now I will stop.

I'm the same way....I'm terrible with small talk and terribly afraid of saying something to embarras the person or myself so I'm very quiet until I get to know you (then ... watch out! ). My DH on the other hand is a chatter box and I just don't understand how he can talk to people about anything and everything. For me I think part of it is growing up and not wanting people to know (kids at school) how I was living at home (abusive situation, just bad all around) so I was quiet and kept to myself and I've never "learned" the skill of just chatting with people. Even Disney - I have a hard time talking about stuff I think I know a lot about. I'm worried I'll get something wrong or the person will think I'm a "know it all" so I just keep quiet. So I guess that makes me entitled, rude, selfish and narcissictic.

I highly doubt she was rude to Tony upon meeting him. He was to be her dance partner. She NEEDS him. When interviewed on the Today Show (or one of those) they seemed to do fine together.

I didn't see that first look after the 1st judges comment as an "evil" look. I saw it as an "ut-oh, I may have gotten through this dance but not very well." I thought she looked more defeated than that she thought she wasn't being worshipped properly. lol. I guess we all see things very differently. No rights or wrongs, I guess, since we don't know what she was really thinking. She's at their mercy, period.

I agree about Tony. I liked the part they showed (I just finally watched it last night) where he called her out to make sure she really wanted to be there doing the dancing. She kind of looked towards the camera like she didn't want to talk about it on camera and he just stood there waiting for an answer (at least that's how it was edited). Hopefully he'll be "tough" enough to help her be successful with dancing if she wants to be.

I also agree about the look. I think she was knowing it was going to not get great reviews but hoping they wouldn't be too harsh (who would want to be told how terrible they are in front of millions of people???).

The part I bolded above is so true!!

 

[mhsjax]

I'm sure there were at least 8 little people who wanted to be with her and I'm sure tons of people would have lined up for free tickets to DWTS. Maybe there was someone and they asked to not be shown? It is a school night and many of her friends have kids and families I would assume. Then the friends would be criticized as well for not being home with their kids like Kate has been.

There may be an agreement (not sure with whom - ABC/TLC, Jon and Kate, someone) that the kids can't be shown. If Tony came to the house and met her, that could be why they couldn't use the footage (all the kiddos running around). Just a thought...



I agree!



I'm the same way....I'm terrible with small talk and terribly afraid of saying something to embarras the person or myself so I'm very quiet until I get to know you (then ... watch out! ). My DH on the other hand is a chatter box and I just don't understand how he can talk to people about anything and everything. For me I think part of it is growing up and not wanting people to know (kids at school) how I was living at home (abusive situation, just bad all around) so I was quiet and kept to myself and I've never "learned" the skill of just chatting with people. Even Disney - I have a hard time talking about stuff I think I know a lot about. I'm worried I'll get something wrong or the person will think I'm a "know it all" so I just keep quiet. So I guess that makes me entitled, rude, selfish and narcissictic.



I agree about Tony. I liked the part they showed (I just finally watched it last night) where he called her out to make sure she really wanted to be there doing the dancing. She kind of looked towards the camera like she didn't want to talk about it on camera and he just stood there waiting for an answer (at least that's how it was edited). Hopefully he'll be "tough" enough to help her be successful with dancing if she wants to be.

I also agree about the look. I think she was knowing it was going to not get great reviews but hoping they wouldn't be too harsh (who would want to be told how terrible they are in front of millions of people???).

The part I bolded above is so true!!

A I stated in my post, "we know that Kate isn't shy". I am not a chatter box either, but you can still have a smile or pleasant look about you. Kate looks like she thinks she is above everyone else. So, just exactly where did I say that all people who are shy are selfish, entitled or rude? Just curious.

 

[DMRick]

A I stated in my post, "we know that Kate isn't shy". I am not a chatter box either, but you can still have a smile or pleasant look about you. Kate looks like she thinks she is above everyone else. .

You are right..she isn't shy.
I think for the rest of it, we'll (at least you and me LOL) have to agree that in your opinion, that's what you think she looks like. I just can't tell those things by looking at someone on the tv. I'd have to know them and speak to them in person. I just don't find her 'looking' unpleasant. She often has a big smile and a big laugh.

 

[madge]

And again I have to say, some of that is based on the behavior of Kate (and Jon) that TLC chose to show us. I just don't know what we didn't see. TLC wasn't stupid. This has been one of the most talked about shows, if not the most talked about show in TLC's history. They (TLC) did something right (not that I agree with it, I mean in terms of in how they got people watching it) in how they portrayed this family so we would watch it.

I agree with this. TLC and their marketing of Jon & Kate was brilliant. I don't know if there's another word to describe it. Was it Jon who commented on how TLC showed them? The unresolved fights, they way they (both Jon & Kate) treated each other, etc.

Having said that, there have been many reports over time describing Kate's personality in a very unflattering way. Accounts written by people who saw Kate at a personal appearances, sources (named and unnamed) behind the scenes at events, and most recently, the hype surrounding Kate's behavior on DWTS. TLC had little to nothing to do with how Kate was seen by those who made those comments.

There are also people who have had a positive reaction when meeting Kate -- I'm aware of one that met her when she was here, and I've read others over the last 18 months.

When I was at the height of my JK8 fascination in the summer of 2008, I loved reading the accounts of meeting Jon and/or Kate, whether they were good or bad. And if it was a blog that didn't get a lot of traffic, even better. Chances are, it was a pretty accurate view (at least by the writer) of what happened.

Just like this board and hundreds like it in cyberspace, the cast & crew are at odds about Kate:
http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/entertainment/032510-stars-cast-disagree-on-kate-gosselin

http://www.suntimes.com/entertainme...ncing-with-stars-kate-gosselin-032410.article

 

[newtodis]

A I stated in my post, "we know that Kate isn't shy". I am not a chatter box either, but you can still have a smile or pleasant look about you. Kate looks like she thinks she is above everyone else. So, just exactly where did I say that all people who are shy are selfish, entitled or rude? Just curious.

No she may not have been shy in the comfort of her own home with her family. I think (my opinion) that Kate was quieter in the beginning of the shows until she was more comfortable with the people and cameras and such. Like I said before, I'm the same way. In my house or with my group of close friends, no one would ever think I was shy. Take me out somewhere or get me with people I don't know and I don't say two words. I'm sure people take that many different ways. I don't think I'm better than anyone (and I know you weren't talking about me - you were referencing Kate) or any of those other things and I would hope people don't assume those things about me when I'm out and about...that's all.

 

[3prettyprincesses]

No she may not have been shy in the comfort of her own home with her family. I think (my opinion) that Kate was quieter in the beginning of the shows until she was more comfortable with the people and cameras and such. Like I said before, I'm the same way. In my house or with my group of close friends, no one would ever think I was shy. Take me out somewhere or get me with people I don't know and I don't say two words. I'm sure people take that many different ways. I don't think I'm better than anyone (and I know you weren't talking about me - you were referencing Kate) or any of those other things and I would hope people don't assume those things about me when I'm out and about...that's all.

I'm very much the same way. Those who know me well know that I'm not quiet or shy. But when I'm in a group setting with new people, I am unbelievably quiet. It makes my husband laugh because he knows I'm not like that. He's the opposite of me, very sociable and easy to chat with upon first meeting. Everybody loves him and I can only imagine what they think of me since I'm quieter than a church mouse!

I think this environment is totally foreign to Kate. She knows she's not a fabulous dancer (heck even her kids said so!) so it probably makes her uncomfortable to be dancing live and then receiving criticism of that dance also live. I'd be a wreck. I still think she handled the criticism of the judges well, nobody wants to hear that after all their hard work, they looked like a shopping cart! She gets another chance to dance next week so we'll see how she does.

ETA: I'm trying to remember the show from Monday night, I've only watched it once. I'm pretty sure though that Kate wasn't the only celebrity who they didn't show with a 'friend' from the audience. So I don't think it means anything that they didn't show someone for her or that it means she had nobody to support her.

 

[kidshop]

No she may not have been shy in the comfort of her own home with her family. I think (my opinion) that Kate was quieter in the beginning of the shows until she was more comfortable with the people and cameras and such. Like I said before, I'm the same way. In my house or with my group of close friends, no one would ever think I was shy. Take me out somewhere or get me with people I don't know and I don't say two words. I'm sure people take that many different ways. I don't think I'm better than anyone (and I know you weren't talking about me - you were referencing Kate) or any of those other things and I would hope people don't assume those things about me when I'm out and about...that's all.

I don't think you are trying to be a celebrity and make your living on TV and have proclaimed yourself to have the gift of gab. (I am not making that up...that is why she wanted a talk show).

Hi Madge!