Jon and Kate Plus 8 Official Thread - Part 8

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Right but like I said in a PP I don't think it will bite her later as Jon is doing a great job of hurting himself ...

Actually--it takes a lot more than stupidity for one's actions to harm them in custody disputes.

Short of Jon doing illegal acts--his status as a dad and shared custody is unlikely to change to the point where Kate as "better parent" can try to gain custodial advantage.

So for Kate to begin making allowances and Jon doing nothing in return all without court order..can only bite her in the butt later on. The court does not see good will to force the other parent to do anything.

Sadly--moms I have met are in that position.

When they divorced--they turned the whole thing into a business transaction as what happens with any couple who divorces. Some divorced couples are much nicer than others.

But another thing to point out--Jon is not limited in whom he exposes to the children...i.e. his skanky girlfriends.

It does behoove Kate to not only limit Jon's custody to his court ordered times to limit such exposure, but it is in the best interest of the children. She can't control what he does on his time, but she can control her time if and only if, she keeps the agreement as it is.

 

[3prettyprincesses]

Actually--it takes a lot more than stupidity for one's actions to harm them in custody disputes.

Short of Jon doing illegal acts--his status as a dad and shared custody is unlikely to change to the point where Kate as "better parent" can try to gain custodial advantage.

So for Kate to begin making allowances and Jon doing nothing in return all without court order..can only bite her in the butt later on. The court does not see good will to force the other parent to do anything.

Sadly--moms I have met are in that position.

When they divorced--they turned the whole thing into a business transaction as what happens with any couple who divorces. Some divorced couples are much nicer than others.

But another thing to point out--Jon is not limited in whom he exposes to the children...i.e. his skanky girlfriends.

It does behoove Kate to not only limit Jon's custody to his court ordered times to limit such exposure, but it is in the best interest of the children. She can't control what he does on his time, but she can control her time if and only if, she keeps the agreement as it is.

Jon was alledgedly (sp) asked to pose for Playgirl. If I were Kate and this is true, I don't think I'd want to be leaving my kids with him for any 'extra' time! He's completely falling apart. What's that saying? He's a hot mess.

 

[DMRick]

Not that I know of but all I was trying to say is that if one parent is gone then the other SHOULD be there...that is all...they BOTH are those kids parents and when one is away the other should take over plain and simple...I don;t think it will bite her later b/c Jon seems to be doing a great job of hurting himself anyway...

But not having any clue of why the judge gave her more time and she gets to live in the house, I don't know how we can say that. First, Jon would have to want to. Second, he would have to have a place to bring the kids (would you want your ex to stay in your home, be able to go through your things, and would you have a say if he can bring his special friends there, to yoru home?). I don't think we have enough info to just say, hey, if Kate's away, Jon should have the kids. And we also don't even know if most of the time she is planning to be away, would be Jon's regular time. I happen to think she is getting slammed for something she hasn't done yet, and for something we have no idea about, if the court would even want Jon to have the kids more than he does. Does anyone know..does he take them overnight somewhere? I don't think he stays at the house anymore. I think Kate got physical custody of the house.
Anyway, my question really was just, has Kate denied Jon time with the kids he has asked for, in addition to his regular time? I do want to say that just by virtue of being a child's parent, doesn't mean if the main custodial parent isn't with them, that it should be mandated that the other parent get them. For anybody.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I do want to say that just by virtue of being a child's parent, doesn't mean if the main custodial parent isn't with them, that it should be mandated that the other parent get them. For anybody.

Amen!

 

[mhsjax]

Jon was alledgedly (sp) asked to pose for Playgirl. If I were Kate and this is true, I don't think I'd want to be leaving my kids with him for any 'extra' time! He's completely falling apart. What's that saying? He's a hot mess.

I am no fan of Jon's, mostly because of his choice in women. But what does being asked to pose for Playgirl have to do with anything? Kate was asked to pose for Playboy. So how is this different?

 

[mhsjax]

But not having any clue of why the judge gave her more time and she gets to live in the house, I don't know how we can say that. First, Jon would have to want to. Second, he would have to have a place to bring the kids (would you want your ex to stay in your home, be able to go through your things, and would you have a say if he can bring his special friends there, to yoru home?). I don't think we have enough info to just say, hey, if Kate's away, Jon should have the kids. And we also don't even know if most of the time she is planning to be away, would be Jon's regular time. I happen to think she is getting slammed for something she hasn't done yet, and for something we have no idea about, if the court would even want Jon to have the kids more than he does. Does anyone know..does he take them overnight somewhere? I don't think he stays at the house anymore. I think Kate got physical custody of the house.
Anyway, my question really was just, has Kate denied Jon time with the kids he has asked for, in addition to his regular time? I do want to say that just by virtue of being a child's parent, doesn't mean if the main custodial parent isn't with them, that it should be mandated that the other parent get them. For anybody.

But doesn't Jon stay there anyway during his time? I know at one point he did.

 

[3prettyprincesses]

I am no fan of Jon's, mostly because of his choice in women. But what does being asked to pose for Playgirl have to do with anything? Kate was asked to pose for Playboy. So how is this different?

Sorry, should've clarified. The article I saw said they asked him and he was offended that they would only pay him $20,000 for it.

But, you're right. It's not a big deal if they just asked. To me, as a mother and wife, it would be a HUGE deal if he went ahead and did pose for Playgirl. Let's hope he's not that stupid.

 

[mhsjax]

Sorry, should've clarified. The article I saw said they asked him and he was offended that they would only pay him $20,000 for it.

But, you're right. It's not a big deal if they just asked. To me, as a mother and wife, it would be a HUGE deal if he went ahead and did pose for Playgirl. Let's hope he's not that stupid.

Well that is a different story. I think they should pay us $20,000 for having to look at him. lol

 

[cheermom1]

I don;t know if Jon was asked to be there for the kids while she is gone nor do I know if he asked if he could and Kate turned him down..I was making a general statement that they should work something out for while she is gone...

 

[DMRick]

But doesn't Jon stay there anyway during his time? I know at one point he did.

I had read that Kate was given the house as the custodial parent and that Jon no longer stayed there. Is that incorrect, does anyone know? I did wonder where he takes the kids on his days. The paps don't seem to be following them much anymore.

I don't care if either of them pose for playboy/girl, and don't think that would suddenly make either of them unfit.

 

[mickey&minnie04]

I live near Kate and the kids and the latest rumor around town is that she is dating the coach of our local indoor football league team, the Reading Express. From what I've heard he has 5 kids of his own! I could only imagine what it would be like when all the kids are together!! I may just go to a few games to see if she is there...lol!

 

[DMRick]

I live near Kate and the kids and the latest rumor around town is that she is dating the coach of our local indoor football league team, the Reading Express. From what I've heard he has 5 kids of his own! I could only imagine what it would be like when all the kids are together!! I may just go to a few games to see if she is there...lol!

I saw this in Feb:
http://www.limelife.com/blog-entry/Kate-Gosselins-New-Love-Interest/34719.html

But I figured it can't be true, because people were so sure she was secretly dating Steve, her bodyguard. Guess not.

 

[3prettyprincesses]

I live near Kate and the kids and the latest rumor around town is that she is dating the coach of our local indoor football league team, the Reading Express. From what I've heard he has 5 kids of his own! I could only imagine what it would be like when all the kids are together!! I may just go to a few games to see if she is there...lol!

Wow, that's a lot of kids all together! If it's true, I find it interesting that Kate would choose someone with kids. Maybe she wants a more mature man in her life, one who understands raising children. Sheesh, between hers and his, that's a football team right there! Let us know if you see her at a game then!

Hasn't Kate mentioned before that she doesn't want to do this (raise a family) alone? I seem to have gotten the impression she would rather be with someone. It was a comment in reference to Jon being gone, that she's lonely. Do you all remember Jon saying how excited he was to be embarking on this new chapter of his life?? I wonder if he'd say that now. But of course when he made that statement, he had his soulmate Hailey and a trip with Ed Hardy to some island! Things aren't looking so promising now and I wonder if he's missing Kate at all. Just a rambling thought I had.

 

[3prettyprincesses]

I had read that Kate was given the house as the custodial parent and that Jon no longer stayed there. Is that incorrect, does anyone know? I did wonder where he takes the kids on his days. The paps don't seem to be following them much anymore.

I don't care if either of them pose for playboy/girl, and don't think that would suddenly make either of them unfit.

I think that's correct, that Kate got the house as the primary caregiver. I have no idea though where Jon stays though. I remember after the big divorce announcement, he and Kate said they were going to rotate in and out of the house based on who had the kids on which days. But the court ruling has given Kate the house so it makes me think that Jon must have to go elsewhere. Maybe I'm wrong though.

As far as posing for Playgirl, I think it's trashy. I don't care how much $ is involved. And IMO it shows a lack of morals that someone would pose for it. I feel the same about women who pose for Playboy. It's disgusting. If I were a divorced woman and my ex-husband posed, I'd be upset. There's more to life than taking off your clothes and getting paid for it. Let's hope Jon has some sense that doing that would be inappropriate. Or at least realize that there's not many women who'd want to see that!

 

[DMRick]

As far as posing for Playgirl, I think it's trashy. I

While I agree it would be trashy, I don't think it makes for an unfit parent. I think Playgirl would have to be awful desparate to use him in a centerfold.

 

[cheermom1]

While I agree it would be trashy, I don't think it makes for an unfit parent. I think Playgirl would have to be awful desparate to use him in a centerfold.

I agree, I don;t think if you pose in play boy or play girl that it makes you an unfit parent. But you are right just b/c Jon is in play girl isn't going to make me want to buy it...

 

[3prettyprincesses]

While I agree it would be trashy, I don't think it makes for an unfit parent. I think Playgirl would have to be awful desparate to use him in a centerfold.

I agree, I don;t think if you pose in play boy or play girl that it makes you an unfit parent. But you are right just b/c Jon is in play girl isn't going to make me want to buy it...

I don't know that I'd say he's an unfit parent. To me 'unfit' means that the children would be in harms way when with him. I don't think that. However, I think he's proven repeatedly that he's a mess. He seems to have absolutely no compass whatsoever. He went on camera pleading for his kids to be taken off the show, that they needed to be off and then turns around and agrees they can return because TLC hit him with a lawsuit.

As much as Kate probably made him crazy, she seemed to be the glue that at least held him together. Since their split, he's fallen apart. He hasn't kept very good company either...Hailey, slimy lawyer and son, Michael Lohan, and Deanna.

I don't doubt that he loves his kids, I think he does. But he's a train wreck and has listened to bad advice given by people looking out for their own self interest. I'd love to see Jon get himself together and just work on his relationship with Kate. They have 8 beautiful kids together that deserve the best of both their parents. I think he should stop dating and going from girl to girl and just take time to figure out his life.

 

[talulabelle]

I live near Kate and the kids and the latest rumor around town is that she is dating the coach of our local indoor football league team, the Reading Express. From what I've heard he has 5 kids of his own! I could only imagine what it would be like when all the kids are together!! I may just go to a few games to see if she is there...lol!

I'm almost scared to say this (type it) out loud...because I have an eerie feeling it will come true....but does anyone else foresee a modern Reality-TV Brady Bunch show coming of that? "this is the story, of a man named Bernie, who was raising 5 kids on his own...." and "It's always Madi! Madi!, Madi!!!!!"

 

[OhMari]

I'm almost scared to say this (type it) out loud...because I have an eerie feeling it will come true....but does anyone else foresee a modern Reality-TV Brady Bunch show coming of that? "this is the story, of a man named Bernie, who was raising 5 kids on his own...." and "It's always Madi! Madi!, Madi!!!!!"

 

[WaltD4Me]

I think that's correct, that Kate got the house as the primary caregiver. I have no idea though where Jon stays though. I remember after the big divorce announcement, he and Kate said they were going to rotate in and out of the house based on who had the kids on which days. But the court ruling has given Kate the house so it makes me think that Jon must have to go elsewhere. Maybe I'm wrong though.

I would love to know how they are handling this. If Jon has to go elsewhere, is he bringing the kids there? Maybe he does, but I'd be surprised if he has a house in PA. So is he bring the kids to a hotel or something on his days? That would be weird.

Anyone know where Jon is living nowadays? Still with the new girlfriend in Utah?