Jon and Kate Plus 8 Official Thread - Part 8

[mousey]

I'll believe it when I see the new show actually happen. If it works and she is able to support her kids without having them on tv, I will be happy. If this is a ploy to try and get Kate plus 8 off and running and involves taping of the kids, I won't be happy.
I don't have a problem with either of them pursuing new professions as long as its Jon & Kate supporting the kids and not the other way around.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

NM--methinks I misunderstood madge.


SORRY MADGE!!!!!

 

[mousey]

Oprah is suppose to make a big announcement tomorrow on her show that she is ending it and possibly moving to her cable channel. Maybe Kate could take over her slot. I'm sure it would be a little different, as Oprah is so generous and gives and helps people, where Kate tends to take and spend on herself!

 

[madge]

NM--methinks I misunderstood madge.


SORRY MADGE!!!!!

what in the world did you think I said/meant?

I was actually hoping you might have an answer to my question...

 

[MAKmom]

I'm glad the kids will be getting a break.

BUT

I wish there was a way to give reverse (i.e. negative) ratings for a show. I hope her show crashes and burns. Sadly, it probably won't and she will continue to live in "la la land."

DING DING DING we have a winner. I know people hate Kate but I think your the first on this thread to wish bad things on her.

 

[DMRick]

Kate having a show may keep them supported, if it's successful. How much time will Kate have to spend with the children while she's getting this new show off the ground? I have no idea how the production aspect of a TV show like that works.

How much time would she have to spend with the kids if she's working full time? And if Jon doesn't come through with support and it's just Kate and the kids, she'd have to work a lot of hours to pay the sitter and support them. Nurses seldom (unless per diem) work just school hours, and often work weekends, especially if you haven't worked in a while as a nurse. I guess I just don't get why she isn't like many of us, and gets to try her dream. I worked my dream job..am I the only one? Of course I had a husband right there willing to work nights, so he could be available if he had to be, but it's not like that for everyone.
I'm just not willing to say I hope she crashes and burns. I don't wish that on people I know and don't like, I'm not going to wish that on someone I not only don't know, but that has a family she may have to support.

And while TLC may not get a lot of money in this lawsuit..if they win at all, Jon if he loses, could end up paying the amount, all the court fees, and lawyers on both sides. Our lawyer gets almost $200 an hour, including time traveling to court and while working on briefs. This could be very costly. Didn't the lawsuit start out at $30,000? They also have lost their TLC income, so I assume they are living on savings and rag mag payments. Someone pointed out that Kate prob isn't getting much for her books, since they are being sold for penny's on the dollar.

 

[3prettyprincesses]

I don't understand why. I'd rather she worked at something that will pay the bills..a lot of money will be going down the tubes with these court cases of Jon's. I hope it doesn't crash and burn. I want to see the kids fed and well taken care of, and to do that the parents need jobs. I have no problem with Kate having a job on her own. I want both parents to earn money on their own, so they won't need specials or shows with the kids. For me it was never about any of them crashing and burning. I've grown fond of those kids and Kate having a show may keep them supported.

I have mixed feelings about Kate having her own show. While I whole-heartedly agree with you Doris that it will be wonderful for Kate to work and pay the bills, feed the kids, etc. I can't help but wonder if doing a show will take her away from the kids even more. Which will mean more time with nannies.

If she went back to nursing, she could work out a schedule around the kids' school time and be home for them regulary. I just have a feeling that if she's doing her own TLC show, there will be a lot of time involved. Not to mention the PR she'll have to do to get it off the ground.

So, I'm torn. I suppose the cynical part of me thinks that Kate just wants to be in the limelight yet again and doing a show will accomplish that. I know she says everything she does is for the kids but she has also said that having her own show is a dream of hers too. I just hope the kids don't get lost in the shuffle, you know?

LoraJ, you seem to have experience with shows/productions. How much time would a show for Kate (probably a talk show I'd imagine) take to film?

 

[DMRick]

Oprah is suppose to make a big announcement tomorrow on her show that she is ending it and possibly moving to her cable channel. Maybe Kate could take over her slot. I'm sure it would be a little different, as Oprah is so generous and gives and helps people, where Kate tends to take and spend on herself!

Sigh..I guess you know that how? You know she doesn't tithe to her church, give to St Judd's, help out her friends. Do you know for a fact that percentage wise Kate doesn't give out the same percent to charity as Oprah?

I do find it funny though..does Oprah give away all of her money, or does she use some of her money as well, to own a big house, multiple cars, etc. This reminds me when people put down Bill Gates, because he only gives a few million (or several hundred million) to charity's when he has so much money. Comparing Kate to Oprah as far as money...just too funny.

No one is suggesting Kate could handle a time slot like that. TLC has said they are working on a show for her. Good for Kate. I hope it's enough that their family never has to worry about money.

 

[madge]

How much time would she have to spend with the kids if she's working full time?

I have no idea. If she's working full time locally, I would have to think it would be less than if she were working in television, which may require (sometimes extensive) travel. I honestly don't know anything about television production, which is why I asked.

And if Jon doesn't come through with support and it's just Kate and the kids, she'd have to work a lot of hours to pay the sitter and support them.

we've not seen any indication that Jon won't come through. to this point, it appears that both Jon and Kate are keeping up with their ends of the custody agreement.

Nurses seldom (unless per diem) work just school hours, and often work weekends, especially if you haven't worked in a while as a nurse. I guess I just don't get why she isn't like many of us, and gets to try her dream. I worked my dream job..am I the only one? Of course I had a husband right there willing to work nights, so he could be available if he had to be, but it's not like that for everyone.

in all fairness, she did get to try her dream. what have the last few years been all about?

All I asked is how much time it would take to be involved with a TV show. LOL.

I said several threads ago that I hoped they'd get the kids off the TV, and give Kate her shot, and let the chips fall where they may. And that's what appears to be happening.

 

[DMRick]

If she went back to nursing, she could work out a schedule around the kids' school time and be home for them regulary.

Maybe it works that way where you live, but it doesn't here. As much as you read about how much they need nurses, unless you get a job in a doc's office (where the pay is nowhere as good,in fact it's horrible compared to some other jobs) the hours can be long and you don't get to pick them for the first few years, and you seldom get out right at the time you are scheduled. You seldom get done when you should. My best friend works in the local ER per diem..and even she has less/different hours than she would like, and she's been there for 20 years.
My daughter is a visiting nurse, and her hours are during school hours, but they are also on weekends. She feels lucky, that she doesn't have to worry about a babysitter (past that) but if she still had to pay a sitter, it would put a serious dent in her paycheck.

We wanted the kids off the show, they are off the show. Now Kate may not get to be with them as often as we would like, but it's like that all over the US for kids who don't live with both parents.

 

[3prettyprincesses]

I have no idea. If she's working full time locally, I would have to think it would be less than if she were working in television, which may require (sometimes extensive) travel. I honestly don't know anything about television production, which is why I asked.

we've not seen any indication that Jon won't come through. to this point, it appears that both Jon and Kate are keeping up with their ends of the custody agreement.

in all fairness, she did get to try her dream. what have the last few years been all about?

All I asked is how much time it would take to be involved with a TV show. LOL.

I said several threads ago that I hoped they'd get the kids off the TV, and give Kate her shot, and let the chips fall where they may. And that's what appears to be happening.

Nice post Madge. You made an excellent point that I didn't even think of...Kate *has* been living her dream by having her own show. It's been 5 seasons (well, 4 1/3 at least) of her on tv. I too am curious how much Kate will be consumed with filming a new show, the time away from the kids and traveling. Plus, wasn't that cookbook still a go but just on the backburner for now?

 

[DMRick]

we've not seen any indication that Jon won't come through. to this point, it appears that both Jon and Kate are keeping up with their ends of the custody agreement.

Didn't Jon say he was too famous to get a job? Right now, it appears his only income is interviews on rag mag/tv. But you could be right..maybe Jon will pay his share.

in all fairness, she did get to try her dream. what have the last few years been all about?

And as long as the kids aren't being filmed, I can see nothing wrong with her persuing something that is about her. I"m certainly not going to wish she crashes and burns.

All I asked is how much time it would take to be involved with a TV show. LOL.

Who knows..we have no idea what kind of show it would be. She does have nursing to fall back on..so that is good.

 

[DMRick]

I too am curious how much Kate will be consumed with filming a new show, the time away from the kids and traveling. Plus, wasn't that cookbook still a go but just on the backburner for now?

I guess we can start (or continue) beating her up once we see what the show is, and if her children are being put aside. If it's a weekly show, maybe she'll be gone less hours than if she was working in a hospital. And that has to happen yet. In the back of my mind, I always wonder what happens when Jon runs out of money..does he decide the kids can film specials? I'd rather see Kate work at whatever than for that to happen.

When I wote and asked the publisher about the book, I got a form letter saying it is still a project and they hoped it would still be printed. I'd be surprised once the show is canceled if that happens. I"m not sure there would be enough interest in it.

 

[madge]

I"m certainly not going to wish she crashes and burns.

I'm quite sure I didn't wish that on Kate. Someone else did.

 

[3prettyprincesses]

I guess we can start (or continue) beating her up once we see what the show is, and if her children are being put aside. If it's a weekly show, maybe she'll be gone less hours than if she was working in a hospital. And that has to happen yet. In the back of my mind, I always wonder what happens when Jon runs out of money..does he decide the kids can film specials? I'd rather see Kate work at whatever than for that to happen.

When I wote and asked the publisher about the book, I got a form letter saying it is still a project and they hoped it would still be printed. I'd be surprised once the show is canceled if that happens. I"m not sure there would be enough interest in it.

I'm not trying to beat her up. Nor do I hope she fails with her show. I'm just curious how the time will work. Kate is the mom of 8 young children. They are going to need her and I'd imagine they prefer their mom to the nanny. I think Kate has effectively tricked us into thinking that the only way for her to make $ is by being on tv. Same goes for Jon.

 

[DMRick]

I'm quite sure I didn't wish that on Kate. Someone else did.

I didn't say it was you. I said I don't wish it on her.

And with that, I see a lot of the hate Kate is surfacing again, and I don't think I care to go another round of that. I can't judge, without being judged, I can't hate either of them, because I think they really thought they were doing the best they can. I wanted the kids off, they are. I didn't expect once that happened to still read so much hate against their mother. But I do find it a real downer so much of the time, reading all the hate. I thought we would talk more about the case and how that is going..but I was wrong. I think I'll take a break and come back when the hate settles down. Soon, all that will be left here are the haters. Won't be a very fun thread then..for me anyway. I guess if you hate her you hate and nothing will change.

I wasn't tricked. There are othr ways for her to earn money. But she would like to give this a try on her own. More power to her.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

If she went back to nursing, she could work out a schedule around the kids' school time and be home for them regulary. I just have a feeling that if she's doing her own TLC show, there will be a lot of time involved. Not to mention the PR she'll have to do to get it off the ground.

To me it is irrelevant that she is a mother and that she receives this judgement accordingly.

There are tons of women in the workforce who choose their jobs that may even have tough schedules or have freaky travel requirements. (There are women who even get the fine art of breast pumping so that they can still give their baby breast milk--while they are overseas. Something with crazy wacky expensive overnight shipping--but they try to balance the career with crazy requirements with their mommy needs.)

It is just inappropriate in this culture to place these "restrictions" on Kate b/c in doing so--what it comes down it is, she's a mom and she should be close to her kids just b/c she is Kate Gosseline.

That's just rubbish to me. IT is not my place nor anyone else's place to dictate her career path. She has the right to choose what she feels is best for her family circumstance regardless of the opinions of others.

I Dont' even play into the nursing doens't pay enough camp. Their choice to raise thier family as they see fit and that includes their career choices.

Sadly I do not think Jon would get this much scrutiny. And this is not b/c he's Jon and the supporters wouldnt' judge him. But it is b/c he is a man. Men just do not get this scrutiny. If they have to work--so be it.

But for a mom. Hell hath no fury on a mother if she chooses something that seems contrary to Mrs. Cleaver or Roseanne.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I'm not trying to beat her up. Nor do I hope she fails with her show. I'm just curious how the time will work. Kate is the mom of 8 young children. They are going to need her and I'd imagine they prefer their mom to the nanny. I think Kate has effectively tricked us into thinking that the only way for her to make $ is by being on tv. Same goes for Jon.

It's none of our busines and I do mean that literally.

Yes we may be privy to their lives and gossip and get in theri business. But it has been years since the right to vote was earned and Rosie Riveter graced posters.

It isn't really our place though to dictate what she can and cannot do for a living even if she is Kate Gosseline. B/c then we are trying to dictate what all women can do and that ain't right.

I don't think personally this is a "hate kate issue". As stated in the prior post--it's b/c she's a woman and a mom and Jon would not have an issue b/c he is a man. Our personal biases are bleeding in on what the role of the female and the role of a male in the family.

 

[3prettyprincesses]

I didn't say it was you. I said I don't wish it on her.

And with that, I see a lot of the hate Kate is surfacing again, and I don't think I care to go another round of that. I can't judge, without being judged, I can't hate either of them, because I think they really thought they were doing the best they can. I wanted the kids off, they are. I didn't expect once that happened to still read so much hate against their mother. But I do find it a real downer so much of the time, reading all the hate. I thought we would talk more about the case and how that is going..but I was wrong. I think I'll take a break and come back when the hate settles down. Soon, all that will be left here are the haters. Won't be a very fun thread then..for me anyway. I guess if you hate her you hate and nothing will change.

I wasn't tricked. There are othr ways for her to earn money. But she would like to give this a try on her own. More power to her.

Goodness Doris, I certainly don't hate Kate. I don't wish her any harm or wish her endeavors to fail. I'm just thinking of how the time will affect the kids. 8 young little ones who are still dealing with a painful divorce and parents who are struggling to get along.

I hope you decide against leaving. You bring a wonderful balance to this thread Doris.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Goodness Doris, I certainly don't hate Kate. I don't wish her any harm or wish her endeavors to fail. I'm just thinking of how the time will affect the kids. 8 young little ones who are still dealing with a painful divorce and parents who are struggling to get along.

I hope you decide against leaving. You bring a wonderful balance to this thread Doris.

Are you a mom?

Do you work or stay at home?

How would you feel if I were to suggest to you, what *I* feel is better for your children? And to make it easy--what I suggest will be OPPOSITE of whatever you feel is best for your children.

Something to think about in your efforts to suggest that Kate follow a path that you feel might be better.