Jon and Kate Plus 8, Official Thread--Part 7

[DMRick]

Thanks Madge, on both accounts .

Guess TLC wasn't playing with Jon. I hope they win, because he's an idiot that tried to play his kids as bargaining chip (yes, I know he got the taping stopped, but if TLC had released him, the taping would have gone on, so his concern was for himself). But then part of me hopes they lose so that the kids can get out of the spotlight while the divorce finishes up. I also hope he can't use the kids money to pay the legal fees.

I did read an article someone posted that TLC had to go after him for the contract violation, because if they didn't, everyone would think they could sign a contract and leave if they get a better offer, but I still hoped they would come to a quiet settlement/agreement and move on. This has got to hurt TLC's rep. Or maybe not. Maybe more and more people are watching these TV family shows now that the attention is on them.

changing the conversation to something else ....

apparently today was a court day in the TLC case
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusiv...ell-witnesses-against-jon-gosselin-court-case

 

[3prettyprincesses]

Thanks Madge, on both accounts .

Guess TLC wasn't playing with Jon. I hope they win, because he's an idiot that tried to play his kids as bargaining chip (yes, I know he got the taping stopped, but if TLC had released him, the taping would have gone on, so his concern was for himself). But then part of me hopes they lose so that the kids can get out of the spotlight while the divorce finishes up. I also hope he can't use the kids money to pay the legal fees.

I did read an article someone posted that TLC had to go after him for the contract violation, because if they didn't, everyone would think they could sign a contract and leave if they get a better offer, but I still hoped they would come to a quiet settlement/agreement and move on. This has got to hurt TLC's rep. Or maybe not. Maybe more and more people are watching these TV family shows now that the attention is on them.

My thought is that this will harm TLC's reputation. They look like ruthless sharks going after Jon (yes, I know he supposedly broke contract) during such a public, nasty divorce involving 8 young children. It has come across repeatedly that they are on Kate's side because of course, she wants to continue with the show thus putting more $ in their pockets. I know it's a business but TLC puts out this image of themselves as a homey, caring network with tons of family shows. I think this action will backfire on them but only time will tell.

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

changing the conversation to something else ....

apparently today was a court day in the TLC case
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusiv...ell-witnesses-against-jon-gosselin-court-case

Wow. I hope this isn't as bad as it looks for Jon. Michael Lohan is on the list of those that will have to give a deposition...he is mad at Jon and not above lying, IMO.

 

[daughtersrus]

Yikes. Wow, that law firm certainly isn't wasting any time. Is it true though, that if they depose Mark Heller he can't represent Jon in the case? I thought he couldn't anyway since the PA attorney withdrew his support? I'm actually a bit frightened for Jon, I think this law firm is going to chew him up and spit him out. I wonder how Kate feels about that.

Can the lawyers use "attorney/client privilege" as a way of not answering questions?

 

[DMRick]

My thought is that this will harm TLC's reputation. They look like ruthless sharks going after Jon (yes, I know he supposedly broke contract) during such a public, nasty divorce involving 8 young children. It has come across repeatedly that they are on Kate's side because of course, she wants to continue with the show thus putting more $ in their pockets. I know it's a business but TLC puts out this image of themselves as a homey, caring network with tons of family shows. I think this action will backfire on them but only time will tell.

I guess we'll just have to see what comes out of this. If they manage to prove that Jon had no problem with the filming, just wanted to use the kids as a bargaining chip, public opinion may go the other way. But in any case, you know what they say..any publicity is good (I don't happen to agree with that) and this will put them all at the top of the rag mags again.

I must have missed when Jon started using a pap as his body guard. Where is that guys head?

 

[3prettyprincesses]

Well I was certainly humiliated by my parents plenty! And I don't know many teens who don't roll their eyes at how embarrassing and dorky mom and dad are. True for most of us the embarrassment might be more localized, but even in a bigger arena I would guess these kids will grow up and laugh about their antics just like the majority of us do. My mom has shown the video of me doing ballet on the soccer field to every one! I used to cringe, now I beg to see it again.
Last night my husband and I went to a dinner for newly initiated chiefs. They go through a humiliating initiation for weeks and weeks before they get to pin their anchors on. During the pinning a master chief told them "we do not put you through this humiliation to embarrass you, but to humble you, to show you that humiliation can not harm you and in fact will strengthen and make a better leader out of you. There will be a time when your best will not be enough and it will be humiliating. I only hope that you will look back at this time and remember that you had the strength of character to get through it today and you can do it again."
It was an interesting way to look at humiliation, and I think he's right! I think if you have loving supporting parents and mentors a little humiliation is probably a good thing!

The Gosselin kids aren't teens dealing with mom or dad showing an embarassing home movie. They are young and have no choice because J&K have decided to do the show.

Your example of your mom showing videos of you doing ballet on a soccer field is very different than J&K+8. Not even in the same realm IMO. Did millions of people around the world see you puking and laying on the floor sick? Did they see you have your poop manually extracted by your dad in the car? Did they see you have mulitple temper tantrums? No, it's not the same.

How are the Gosselin kids going to deal with this humilation? How is that going to make them better people or strengthen their character? I'm not sure I get your point. It sounds like the type of humiliation you're talking about is something that young adults go through (like in the military). Not for young children. So, did J&K put their kids through this humiliation to teach them to be better leaders, that it won't harm them and teach them humility? I don't think so.

 

[madge]

I must have missed when Jon started using a pap as his body guard. Where is that guys head?

I think it was back in the summer. I remember reading about it, but not sure when... and wondered if it was true. I guess it is.

 

[WaltD4Me]

I have not read any of the court filings, but I thought I heard TLC was suing Jon mainly for doing all the interviews, LKL, The Insider, ET, ect...Because it was in his contract that he could not do any interviews unless approved by TLC. So I thought, and could be totally wrong, that they weren't suing Jon for stopping the filming, but because of the interviews?

And in reading the Radar Online article about the lawsuit, what does this mean?
=============================================
Most interesting perhaps, is Meinelt, who went from paparazzi to Jon's bodyguard. His knowledge of Jon's financial and personal affairs should be extensive and he is certain to face intense questioning during deposition.
=============================================

The Meinelt guy was a paparazzi person and now is Jon's bodyguard? Did Jon do that? Hire a paparazzi to be his bodyguard? And why would his knowledge of Jon's financial affairs be extensive?

 

[monkeybug]

The Gosselin kids aren't teens dealing with mom or dad showing an embarassing home movie. They are young and have no choice because J&K have decided to do the show.

Your example of your mom showing videos of you doing ballet on a soccer field is very different than J&K+8. Not even in the same realm IMO. Did millions of people around the world see you puking and laying on the floor sick? Did they see you have your poop manually extracted by your dad in the car? Did they see you have mulitple temper tantrums? No, it's not the same.

How are the Gosselin kids going to deal with this humilation? How is that going to make them better people or strengthen their character? I'm not sure I get your point. It sounds like the type of humiliation you're talking about is something that young adults go through (like in the military). Not for young children. So, did J&K put their kids through this humiliation to teach them to be better leaders, that it won't harm them and teach them humility? I don't think so.

Sorry I don't agree. Humiliation is humiliating no matter how many people see it. A well adjusted adult can deal with embarassment from childhood with little problem. So what if millions of people saw you puke when you were 5? Do you really know that many adults that would be embarrassed by that now? I wouldn't. I would be embarrassed if I puked in front of millions of people now, but I'd get over it. I'd get over it because my parents instilled in me a good sense of humor, and enough humbleness to laugh at my imperfections. Now I am not saying that the Gosselin children will grow up to be well adjusted. I have no idea what kind of parenting goes on behind closed doors in their house. I'm just saying that the average, normal person probably wouldn't have much issue with embarrassing child hood moments being publicized. Most of us would just laugh with the rest of the world. Like on AFV! I mean my brother pooped in a JC penneys baby display when he was 4, my parents and my other brother and I told every girlfriend he ever had that story! He just laughs and says he was marking his territory. He wanted that potty seat and figured out a way to get it. You can rest assured that if any one in my family had video of that it would be on Youtube right now. My brother would probably post it!

 

[monkeybug]

The Gosselin kids aren't teens dealing with mom or dad showing an embarassing home movie. They are young and have no choice because J&K have decided to do the show.

Your example of your mom showing videos of you doing ballet on a soccer field is very different than J&K+8. Not even in the same realm IMO. Did millions of people around the world see you puking and laying on the floor sick? Did they see you have your poop manually extracted by your dad in the car? Did they see you have mulitple temper tantrums? No, it's not the same.

How are the Gosselin kids going to deal with this humilation? How is that going to make them better people or strengthen their character? I'm not sure I get your point. It sounds like the type of humiliation you're talking about is something that young adults go through (like in the military). Not for young children. So, did J&K put their kids through this humiliation to teach them to be better leaders, that it won't harm them and teach them humility? I don't think so.

I don't know how the Gosselin kids or any other kid will deal with humiliation! But I do think that humiliation makes us stronger people and improves our character. Why would they be any different? Humiliation humbles us. It reminds us that we aren't perfect, and that's OK. It teaches us (hopefully) that we can get past things, and that the risk of embarrassment shouldn't be the reason we don't stick our neck out or try new things. I blew snot all over the first boy I ever danced with! Holy heck I thought I would die on the spot! I thought I would be single for ever and ever! It was all so dramatical! Guess what? As mortified as I was I got past it, and every other embarrassing thing I ever did. I didn't die. I didn't need therapy. I learned to laugh and dance stuffy nose and all!

 

[3prettyprincesses]

Sorry I don't agree. Humiliation is humiliating no matter how many people see it. A well adjusted adult can deal with embarassment from childhood with little problem. So what if millions of people saw you puke when you were 5? Do you really know that many adults that would be embarrassed by that now? I wouldn't. I would be embarrassed if I puked in front of millions of people now, but I'd get over it. I'd get over it because my parents instilled in me a good sense of humor, and enough humbleness to laugh at my imperfections. Now I am not saying that the Gosselin children will grow up to be well adjusted. I have no idea what kind of parenting goes on behind closed doors in their house. I'm just saying that the average, normal person probably wouldn't have much issue with embarrassing child hood moments being publicized. Most of us would just laugh with the rest of the world. Like on AFV! I mean my brother pooped in a JC penneys baby display when he was 4, my parents and my other brother and I told every girlfriend he ever had that story! He just laughs and says he was marking his territory. He wanted that potty seat and figured out a way to get it. You can rest assured that if any one in my family had video of that it would be on Youtube right now. My brother would probably post it!

I guess we see it differently. That's fine of course. I think some of the Gosselin kids are not going to look back so fondly on their 'home movies'. Not to mention the fact that their parents were going through a very public, ridiculous divorce as well. That alone can cause issues. Coupled with their lack of privacy, that may cause lots of bitterness and anger. None of us know for sure how this mess will affect the kids. Like Doris (DMRick) says, I'll be waiting for Mady's tell-all book to come out in about 15 years or so.

 

[3prettyprincesses]

I don't know how the Gosselin kids or any other kid will deal with humiliation! But I do think that humiliation makes us stronger people and improves our character. Why would they be any different? Humiliation humbles us. It reminds us that we aren't perfect, and that's OK. It teaches us (hopefully) that we can get past things, and that the risk of embarrassment shouldn't be the reason we don't stick our neck out or try new things. I blew snot all over the first boy I ever danced with! Holy heck I thought I would die on the spot! I thought I would be single for ever and ever! It was all so dramatical! Guess what? As mortified as I was I got past it, and every other embarrassing thing I ever did. I didn't die. I didn't need therapy. I learned to laugh and dance stuffy nose and all!

Again, those examples (while hilarious) are not the same IMO. Many people are scarred by emotional things they find humiliating and have trouble getting past. I think it's great that you have a positive attitude about it. Unfortunately, the Gosselin kids are on tv with millions of people viewing. Millions. Thier embarassing moments are entertainment for tv. But I think that won't matter as much as that J&K allowed it to happen, to be filmed. That's probably what will cause a lot of resentment on the kids part. I could see that happening.

 

[C.Ann]

changing the conversation to something else ....

apparently today was a court day in the TLC case
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusiv...ell-witnesses-against-jon-gosselin-court-case

Did I miss the actual court date in that article?

My thought is that this will harm TLC's reputation. They look like ruthless sharks going after Jon (yes, I know he supposedly broke contract) during such a public, nasty divorce involving 8 young children. It has come across repeatedly that they are on Kate's side because of course, she wants to continue with the show thus putting more $ in their pockets. I know it's a business but TLC puts out this image of themselves as a homey, caring network with tons of family shows. I think this action will backfire on them but only time will tell.

Definitely something only time will tell.. It will be very interesting to see how it all pans out..

The Gosselin kids aren't teens dealing with mom or dad showing an embarassing home movie. They are young and have no choice because J&K have decided to do the show.

Your example of your mom showing videos of you doing ballet on a soccer field is very different than J&K+8. Not even in the same realm IMO. Did millions of people around the world see you puking and laying on the floor sick? Did they see you have your poop manually extracted by your dad in the car? Did they see you have mulitple temper tantrums? No, it's not the same.

How are the Gosselin kids going to deal with this humilation? How is that going to make them better people or strengthen their character? I'm not sure I get your point. It sounds like the type of humiliation you're talking about is something that young adults go through (like in the military). Not for young children. So, did J&K put their kids through this humiliation to teach them to be better leaders, that it won't harm them and teach them humility? I don't think so.

Neither do I.. Kate recently said in one of her interviews that the kids friends have watched these shows and do comment on them.. That's sad..

I think some of the Gosselin kids are not going to look back so fondly on their 'home movies'. Not to mention the fact that their parents were going through a very public, ridiculous divorce as well. That alone can cause issues. Coupled with their lack of privacy, that may cause lots of bitterness and anger. None of us know for sure how this mess will affect the kids. Like Doris (DMRick) says, I'll be waiting for Mady's tell-all book to come out in about 15 years or so.

I have a feeling there will be more than one tell-all book - as well as quite a bit of rebellion going on during the teen years - for some of them..

If they could stop the filming now - permanently - it might help somewhat - but there's still so much of this out there for them to "see" - over and over and over..

 

[mhsjax]

Thanks Madge, on both accounts .

Guess TLC wasn't playing with Jon. I hope they win, because he's an idiot that tried to play his kids as bargaining chip (yes, I know he got the taping stopped, but if TLC had released him, the taping would have gone on, so his concern was for himself). But then part of me hopes they lose so that the kids can get out of the spotlight while the divorce finishes up. I also hope he can't use the kids money to pay the legal fees.

I did read an article someone posted that TLC had to go after him for the contract violation, because if they didn't, everyone would think they could sign a contract and leave if they get a better offer, but I still hoped they would come to a quiet settlement/agreement and move on. This has got to hurt TLC's rep. Or maybe not. Maybe more and more people are watching these TV family shows now that the attention is on them.

On the flip side, one could say that Kate uses the kids for her gain as well, She wouldn't live in that big house, have designer clothes and shoes or those wonderful trips either, I think both of the people are guilty of using their kids. Kate just blankets it with, I am doing it for my kids so they can have the best, well their best is paying for her best.

 

[DMRick]

On the flip side, one could say that Kate uses the kids for her gain as well, She wouldn't live in that big house, have designer clothes and shoes or those wonderful trips either, I think both of the people are guilty of using their kids. Kate just blankets it with, I am doing it for my kids so they can have the best, well their best is paying for her best.

I'm not sure how this is the flip side. I wasn't talking about the actual show, and my opinion of that, but the legal case and TLC (rremember, Madge changed the subject ). I know that everything about what Jon does wrong comes back to Kate (and vice versa), but I was only talking about his breaking the contract. One that it appears he wouldn't have broken, (although I don't know that as fact) if in that hour he gave TLC, they had set him loose to be on other shows. We can point and counter point about how we feel about the effects of the show and who used the kids for this or that, but this will now be a legal case..Jon's legal case. He either will be found guilty, or not guilty, and we don't get a say in that.

Just to add to this, and address what you added to it, Jon also has consistently said this was for the children, wasn't hurting them, etc, until he wanted to use them to get out of the contract. They were both on the same page. Now it's getting legal mumble jumbo.

 

[mhsjax]

I'm not sure how this is the flip side. I wasn't talking about the actual show, and my opinion of that, but the legal case and TLC (rremember, Madge changed the subject ). I know that everything about what Jon does wrong comes back to Kate (and vice versa), but I was only talking about his breaking the contract. One that it appears he wouldn't have broken, (although I don't know that as fact) if in that hour he gave TLC, they had set him loose to be on other shows. We can point and counter point about how we feel about the effects of the show and who used the kids for this or that, but this will now be a legal case..Jon's legal case. He either will be found guilty, or not guilty, and we don't get a say in that.

The flip side is that while JOn may have "used his kids for a bargaining chip, Kate "used her kids for gain. They are both equally disturbed, And at this point I dont have any real love for TLC either. I don't think anybody is goin to win in this situation.

 

[madge]

The flip side is that while JOn may have "used his kids for a bargaining chip, Kate "used her kids for gain. They are both equally disturbed, And at this point I dont have any real love for TLC either. I don't think anybody is goin to win in this situation.

ditto. I think TLC is just fanning the flames of this fire for their own professional gain.

which makes me wonder why they have gone to such great lengths and expense to side with Kate? I'm mostly curious about the expense part... because this can't be cheap for them. Lawsuits, bringing in NBC to do an interview, etc. cost money.

 

[DMRick]

I think we all know that without the kids, there wouldn't have been any gain for either of them. Jon and Kate, both used them as gain. Same with all of these family shows, every one of them. However, this court case is about Jon. Jon used them also as a bargaining chip..and Kate may have at some time, but she isn't in court. We can try them both in our online court case, but this specific one is about Jon. If they did indeed have a clause that they could have stopped filming at any time one of the parents thought it best, he should have gotten a decent lawyer and used that clause, instead of using the kids. I would think better of him, if he had. Then I would have known it was the kids he had in mind when he stopped the filiming. This court case isn't about Kate, no matter how much we talk about her gain with the kids.

The flip side is that while JOn may have "used his kids for a bargaining chip, Kate "used her kids for gain. They are both equally disturbed, And at this point I dont have any real love for TLC either. I don't think anybody is goin to win in this situation.

 

[MusiqChic99]

ditto. I think TLC is just fanning the flames of this fire for their own professional gain.

which makes me wonder why they have gone to such great lengths and expense to side with Kate? I'm mostly curious about the expense part... because this can't be cheap for them. Lawsuits, bringing in NBC to do an interview, etc. cost money.

I just watched Kate's story last night...DVR is heaven! Anyway..I had bad thoughts about TLC the whole time I was watching. I think they are fanning the flames too. I'm thinking they are siding with Kate because she never said she didn't want to do the show.

And I really am sick of her and Jon both saying they dont like the media attention, yet all they do is feed them stuff. I mean Kate didn't have to do that interview, right? Was it in the contract for TLC that she "tell her story"?? I just think media is all they know and they dont act at all like 2 people who hate it.

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

I don't think anybody is goin to win in this situation.

Except the lawyers.