Jon and Kate Plus 8, Official Thread--Part 7

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I agree, and others probably don't, but even with as much as I disagree with Kate, I in no way begrudge her that tummy tuck. It would be something that would have been terrible to go through life with, especially when she was trim everywhere else. And I watched enough of the hair transplant to know about the kids, I couldn't watch the rest of it. YUCK

I think Bobbi McCoughey (sp?) got one as well. B/c of the excessive skin tissue that will never be able to "shrink" back due to loss of elasticity, it can contribute to serious back problems.

Plus it can conribute to a poor body image.

I proably watched as much of the hair transplant episode as you did. But blocked it from my memory.

What was the nature of the kids' illness?

 

[mhsjax]

See that's the funny thing.

You'll excuse Jodi to go on "vacation" and "help" with the kids--

But Kate gets raked over the coals for what relates to her "job" when she travels for abandoning her kids.

Must be nice that Jodi's DH's job facilitates her travel to exotic locales, b/c it would be hypocritical to bless her having a "nanny" to care for her kids while she's off nannying for free for Kate's crew.

Anyway--I don't think it is all that big of a deal that Jodi went.

The irony that was pointed out though is priceless.

Actually I never raked Kate over the coals for that one, pretty much everything else but not that. So no Irony. I hate Kates attitude, I think she is mean and self centered. And if she would have just admitted early on that yes she had lots of help and yes they needed lots of money for these kids and yes she wasn't the perfect mother, then I would have been ok with her. I see nothing wrong really with her traveling and Jon staying home with them. I know a few house husbands and their wives travel alot. So you can't blame me for that one.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

LOL...i do don't I...I don't know iam usually quite mellow....but that Jodi just riles me!!..I don't even know why Iam more angry with her then kevin?

I just feel as if she wears the trousers and maybe pushed Kevin into the back stabbinh...i don't know though thats just a feeling..

I get that back stabbing vibe as well. Kind of a "she doth protests too much" vibe especially with her sister. The way she went about "sharing the truth" is what bothered me. It was so underhanded and so underground that I don't for one minute feel it was truly for the children.

For if the children were in such danger--that's what the authorities are for.

In FL, if we have a complaint on any family-you call DCF and they WILL investigate. It may take a while given the nature of the complaint, but DCF will investigate it.

I can't imagine PA being any different. There doesn't have to be just cause--it can be just a feelng, just an inkling, or whatever.

But that was NEVER EVER EVER done.

I tell you, if I feared for the safety of a child whom I loved that was not in my own household--the last thing I would do is gossip to my sister and have her put it on a random blog that noone of authority could find.

That's what makes this thing very very sad and much of it unbelievable (in terms of whether there is serious concern on Jodi's part.)

It's not so much a hatred thing--as it is a "why didn't it ever occur to you to report them?" thing.

 

[mhsjax]

I think Bobbi McCoughey (sp?) got one as well. B/c of the excessive skin tissue that will never be able to "shrink" back due to loss of elasticity, it can contribute to serious back problems.

Plus it can conribute to a poor body image.

I proably watched as much of the hair transplant episode as you did. But blocked it from my memory.

What was the nature of the kids' illness?

I believe they were all getting over the flu, and I think they still felt pretty crappy.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Actually I never raked Kate over the coals for that one, pretty much everything else but not that. So no Irony. I hate Kates attitude, I think she is mean and self centered. And if she would have just admitted early on that yes she had lots of help and yes they needed lots of money for these kids and yes she wasn't the perfect mother, then I would have been ok with her. I see nothing wrong really with her traveling and Jon staying home with them. I know a few house husbands and their wives travel alot. So you can't blame me for that one.

My apologes for directing it at you, then.

 

[mhsjax]

LOL...i do don't I...I don't know iam usually quite mellow....but that Jodi just riles me!!..I don't even know why Iam more angry with her then kevin?

I just feel as if she wears the trousers and maybe pushed Kevin into the back stabbinh...i don't know though thats just a feeling..

Same here, I am usually mellow about Kate until I come on here and see some people defending her every action. No one is perfect, Lord knows I am far from it. As I sit here wasting time. I just don't like Kate, its her attitude, she acts so much better than everyone else, and to me she seems like a hypocrit.

 

[mhsjax]

My apologes for directing it at you, then.

No problem, it is hard to remember who says what around here. lol

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I believe they were all getting over the flu, and I think they still felt pretty crappy.

Hmmmm.....

Do we know if their pediatrician said they'd be okay?

 

[mhsjax]

Hmmmm.....

Do we know if their pediatrician said they'd be okay?

No, they didn't mention it, and I m sure they were ok, I just don't think I could do it, I hate being away from home while sick and it seemed that Kate didn't have any concerns at all. but that could be the nurse in her, I have a friend that is a nurse and is the same way.

 

[Eeyore'sthebest]

I think Bobbi McCoughey (sp?) got one as well. B/c of the excessive skin tissue that will never be able to "shrink" back due to loss of elasticity, it can contribute to serious back problems.

I've lost an obscene amount of weight and I have to tell you that a full lower body lift is in my future (as soon as I can bank that cash ). You need to be very careful with washing to make sure that you clean and dry everything so that there is no skin breakdown. I do not begrudge Kate that tummy tuck at all.

Lisa - this wasn't directed at you. I didn't know Bobbi M. had one done either, hence the quote. I definitely agree with them as they truly become more medical need than cosmetic. In fact, I can get my insurance company to pay for the tummy tuck part. I just need to pay for the rest of it out of pocket. So my insurance company has actually deemed it a medical necessity.

 

[madge]

No, they didn't mention it, and I m sure they were ok, I just don't think I could do it, I hate being away from home while sick and it seemed that Kate didn't have any concerns at all. but that could be the nurse in her, I have a friend that is a nurse and is the same way.

IIRC, some of Jodi's kids were sick, too ..or were just beginning to get better? I don't think any of them were emergent, but they were pretty much all sick.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I've lost an obscene amount of weight and I have to tell you that a full lower body lift is in my future (as soon as I can bank that cash ). You need to be very careful with washing to make sure that you clean and dry everything so that there is no skin breakdown. I do not begrudge Kate that tummy tuck at all.

Lisa - this wasn't directed at you. I didn't know Bobbi M. had one done either, hence the quote. I definitely agree with them as they truly become more medical need than cosmetic. In fact, I can get my insurance company to pay for the tummy tuck part. I just need to pay for the rest of it out of pocket. So my insurance company has actually deemed it a medical necessity.

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No worries!

I had a friend who had a "chest" reduction surgery b/c it was causing back issues. It was fully covered under insurance as well.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

IIRC, some of Jodi's kids were sick, too ..or were just beginning to get better? I don't think any of them were emergent, but they were pretty much all sick.

By the sounds of your response and the other response, it almost writes off their illness as not too serious then. But I'm not sure.

Aside from the silly hairplugs, is consensus that Kate and Jon were terrible leaving the sick children with Jodi, period or is consensus that it is insane to leave kids for an elective vanity treatment?

I can agree with the latter--but I can't agree that by itself it was wrong since we do not know what transpired (i.e. Jodi saying "no don't worry about it--just go, they'll be fne" or Kate saying, "Jodi you MUST watch them, we have to do this for the show..blah blah blah").

Too likely scenarios with very different meanings.

Since I couldnt' stomach the show and blanked out any images from it--I don't know what occurred.

 

[madge]

By the sounds of your response and the other response, it almost writes off their illness as not too serious then. But I'm not sure.

Aside from the silly hairplugs, is consensus that Kate and Jon were terrible leaving the sick children with Jodi, period or is consensus that it is insane to leave kids for an elective vanity treatment?
I can agree with the latter--but I can't agree that by itself it was wrong since we do not know what transpired (i.e. Jodi saying "no don't worry about it--just go, they'll be fne" or Kate saying, "Jodi you MUST watch them, we have to do this for the show..blah blah blah").

Too likely scenarios with very different meanings.

Since I couldnt' stomach the show and blanked out any images from it--I don't know what occurred.

I bolded my opinion, and agree with your points about not knowing the whole story surrounding the issue of childcare. We also don't know if TLC said they must go ahead with the filming.

It's interesting, for as much as Kevin and Jodi (either on their own or via Julie) have said about the show, there are many specific instances they haven't commented on. This is one of the episodes I'd love to know the back story to.

 

[mikki'smom]

I realize that for most of us leaving sick children would be out of the question...but then as a mother I was a "hoverer" when my children were little...I was always checking them to see if they were "hot"...I had other friends (who were in the medical profession) who laughed at my "healing" techniques...they didn't see these childhood sicknesses as life-threatening but rather as part of the norm...they never missed a beat...

on the other hand...let's don't judge Kate too harshly for leaving at this time for a couple of reasons

1. as a nurse she knew that they were sick but not deathly-ill...in fact she might have gotten a laugh out of her little brother having to dump puke...I know if mine had had to do it for me I would have laughed...it wasn't like she was leaving them with strangers and obviously Kevin and Jodi were willing

2. kids get sick quickly...the airplane tickets had been bought and the procedure had been blocked for a while I would assume...I'm sure that they hated to leave the kids but they had committed to do this and it was a choice they had to make..

Lesson to be learned: Life is all about choices. Sometimes neither option is to our liking...but we do the best that we can. What is really harmful in our lives is when others are constantly trying to second-guess our motives. Here we are several years after the fact, and I rather think that they made the right decision. The children are healthy and fully-recovered and Jon has a much nicer-looking head of hair.

...and if Kevin and Jodi were there taking care of the kids for the right reasons then they will be so glad that they could help at this time

See....now everybody's happy

 

[barkley]

I bolded my opinion, and agree with your points about not knowing the whole story surrounding the issue of childcare. We also don't know if TLC said they must go ahead with the filming.

It's interesting, for as much as Kevin and Jodi (either on their own or via Julie) have said about the show, there are many specific instances they haven't commented on. This is one of the episodes I'd love to know the back story to.

i've noticed that what kevin and jodi have said publicly has always been in general terms with the exception of the private conversation they had with jon (about the marriage). i would'nt be surprised if even if they were'nt compensated by tlc they signed some kind of limited confidentiality agreement about what occurs during the course of filming (to be filmed/allow your children to be filmed they would have signed some kind of contractual release, and since they went so far as to allow tlc to install some kind of lighting in their home to facilitate the filming done on occasions there i presume there would have been yet another contract).

 

[madge]

never mind.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

i've noticed that what kevin and jodi have said publicly has always been in general terms with the exception of the private conversation they had with jon (about the marriage). i would'nt be surprised if even if they were'nt compensated by tlc they signed some kind of limited confidentiality agreement about what occurs during the course of filming (to be filmed/allow your children to be filmed they would have signed some kind of contractual release, and since they went so far as to allow tlc to install some kind of lighting in their home to facilitate the filming done on occasions there i presume there would have been yet another contract).

A confidentiality agreement can be nullified if there is an illegal act or if she felt the children's safety was being threatened.

If Jodi was witness to abuse, it wouldn't matter what she signed with TLC. There is nothing stopping her from reporting it.

That omission--I can't seem to ignore.

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

Respectfully I disagree. I don't see Kate as an abuser or Jon as a victim. She isn't a nice person sometimes but I really don't see a abuser. And even if I saw signs that makes me suspect, I wouldn't call her abuser unless I can observe/talk to Kate for awhile in person. I don't believe anyone is qualified to claim anything about a person based on edited footage. Even Jon said himself that TLC edited it to make Kate look mean.. that they edited out stuff he said and resolutions.

I also believe that abuse is not the only thing that explains how Jon acts/acted after the divorce was announced. He mentioned missing his 20's, how he didn't like staying home, and how he was jealous that Kate got to do all this stuff and that makes me feel like he felt he was trapped. Jon feeling trapped and now feeling free can also explain his recent actions, IMO.

Totally agree.

But they showed a clip of Jon picking up Mady and Cara from the school bus. Of course the papparazzi are there. Jon is walking to his car with the girls and the Pap asks Jon what he thought of Kate's interview, Jon shrugged. The the Pap says "Jon, Kate said she still loves you." Now Cara and Mady are right there, does Jon say "Not in front of the kids guys." Nope, Jon stops to talk to them. The Pap asks Jon if he still loves Kate, Jon says "I always will, she is the mother of my kids." As if things aren't confusing enough for the kids.

I saw that clip on Radar and one of the twins rolls down the window while Jon is still yaking it up with the paps and tells him to "hurry up daddy".
I agree though the whole thing should have been handled differently. He needs to be quiet especially when the kids are around.

I agree with your post. Its impossible to really determine someone's true self from edited television shows. I am a full time domestic violence advocate for a police department and I just don't see kate's behavior as classically abusive. She may be verbally abusive at times but again, thats edited for public consumption and to sell the show. They have to have a "hook" and her abrasive personality is key to that end.

I will say that I think Jon is really a lost soul who may just believe that all the media attention is his "due' and not a by-product of the public's appreciation for the kids. He seems very self absorbed and narcissistic. Kate simply seems lost.

However--kids can't have anythng and everything they want. For some folks who have blatant opinions that these kids get way too much, I'm a bit surprised at the protests when a decision is made to get rid of something. The manner may be inappropriate. But the decision is not necessarily incorrect, mean, or cruel.

It wasn't that Collin couldn't have it, it was the way Jon took it away. He could have very easily said, "No Collin put that down we are not keeping it". Instead he grabs it from him breaks it over his knee and throws it over the fence. It was mean and unnecessary. In my opinion, that does not make Jon a mean person, it just shows that he is human as we all are and can be mean. Same with Kate.

 

[barkley]

A confidentiality agreement can be nullified if there is an illegal act or if she felt the children's safety was being threatened.

If Jodi was witness to abuse, it wouldn't matter what she signed with TLC. There is nothing stopping her from reporting it.

That omission--I can't seem to ignore.

i don't think jodi or kevin (or jon for that matter) have ever said the children's safety has been threatened, or have they alleged abuse. they've said that the filming is'nt in the best interest of the kids and is having a negative impact.