Jon and Kate Plus 8, Official Thread--Part 7

[kidshop]

Me too. She is just feeding into the "Me" generation of kids that think they deserve everything without work, time, or effort.

The kids have done their share of working, of course, but for me, I want my kids to know that money does not buy happiness. Material possessions are worthless in an empty life, what I want for my kids is empathy and compassion, an honest heart and strong sense of right and wrong. I would never want life served to them on a golden (silver?) platter. I would rather they work hard and be happy and loved even with failure and setback, than to just be given everything and never have to struggle.

But of course the 8 won't get cars or rings until they have jobs, so Kate won't be serving up the platter, I wonder who she thinks will be doing that?

 

[newtodis]

Former "Jon and Kate Plus 8" star Jon Gosselin hasn't wasted very much time in letting the world know what he thinks about Kate's interview on TLC Monday night. The reality TV dad posted a series of tweets on Tuesday, with references to both the interview and his recent fallout with Hailey Glassman (who he is apparently "slowing things down with" for a little while):

"Got up early this morning took Mady and Cara to the bus, Came home to then hug my other 6 little morsels.

"I stand behind Hailey because she is the only person who has spoken the brutal truth about (yes this whole mess of a trainwreck) as it is described. She has gotten the brunt of EVERYONE'S anger and disappointment. Kate even slipped last night and admitted we split up a year ago! Though she claims she "didn't remember" who called it quits.. Hey at least she said "didn't remember" instead of lieing."

(For those of you who are curious, Jon used a program that allows you to post more than 140 characters.)

The real question that we have to ask here is why Jon is choosing to speak out yet again about the events leading up to the divorce filing. Does it really matter at this point who initiated the separation? Instead of utilizing some of the PR strategy he took on over the weekend (when he spoke at a Manhattan synagogue), Jon has apparently regressed now into once again trying to prove that Kate is lying to America. Granted, he probably does have a lot to be angry about after being cut out from "Jon and Kate Plus 8" and then sued by TLC for breach of contract; however, you have to wonder what his motivation is for using Twitter as a way to respond to the interview when he could have went on "Entertainment Tonight" as he has done in the past.

Do you think that Jon is acting out of desperation here, or is he merely trying to set the record straight? Let me know your thoughts with a comment below!

http://www.examiner.com/x-11363-Dal...us-8-Jon-Gosselin-responds-to-Kates-interview

 

[newtodis]

These two are seriously starting to get on my last dead nerve. Hailey Glassman spoke to “The Insider” about her emotional abuse at the hands of Jon Gosselin, hoping to stir up some pity…and it may have worked…for a minute.

Apparently, she was lying about his so-called “mantrums”, because we’re hearing that Jon asked Hailey to make it all up so that she could get the interview money for doing the appearance. Lovely.

A source said, “Jon actually made the decision to have Hailey go on air and bad mouth him. Jon and Hailey get paid for their appearances on these shows and they need the money. It was easy for Hailey to conjure tears, their lives are less than stellar right now, but Jon hasn’t abused [her].They agreed to have her go on and make the abuse allegations!”

The snitch added, “Jon doesn’t have much money left and he is not currently searching for a real job. Jon still seeks money through his fame and notoriety. He really wants a reality show of his own, and he is stretching out every moment of the drama for a dollar.”

Someone needs to start working at Burger King to make ends meet then, because we’re not buying any more of this nonsense.

http://allieiswired.com/archives/2009/11/hailey-glassman-lied-about-abuse-for-jon-gosselin/

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

Come on guys, give Kate a break.

I hope your not holding your breath.

I heard that, and thought, oh oh..that will be on the Dis! (did she say they needed to have it handed to them, or they deserve it..big difference one from the other?). I took it to mean that they mean so much to her, they deserve everything, or she wants the best for them.

She said "deserves". Most people think their children deserve the best of life, I know I certainly do for mine.

I found the part about her family interesting and am glad she does have contact with her parents, although limited. Also good to hear that one sister is in her corner.

Kate hit the question about the paps dead on. They were not a problem for 4 seasons at all. They didn't become an issue until Jon started going out. I am very glad she didn't really get into details when asked about Jon, Hailey and Hailey's claims about Jon. She could have really taken that question and ran with it.

Not a shocking interview and not much that we can call "new".

Advice for Jon.....stop tweeting.

 

[purplegirl247]

double post.

 

[purplegirl247]

Former "Jon and Kate Plus 8" star Jon Gosselin hasn't wasted very much time in letting the world know what he thinks about Kate's interview on TLC Monday night. The reality TV dad posted a series of tweets on Tuesday, with references to both the interview and his recent fallout with Hailey Glassman (who he is apparently "slowing things down with" for a little while):

"Got up early this morning took Mady and Cara to the bus, Came home to then hug my other 6 little morsels.

"I stand behind Hailey because she is the only person who has spoken the brutal truth about (yes this whole mess of a trainwreck) as it is described. She has gotten the brunt of EVERYONE'S anger and disappointment. Kate even slipped last night and admitted we split up a year ago! Though she claims she "didn't remember" who called it quits.. Hey at least she said "didn't remember" instead of lieing."

(For those of you who are curious, Jon used a program that allows you to post more than 140 characters.)

The real question that we have to ask here is why Jon is choosing to speak out yet again about the events leading up to the divorce filing. Does it really matter at this point who initiated the separation? Instead of utilizing some of the PR strategy he took on over the weekend (when he spoke at a Manhattan synagogue), Jon has apparently regressed now into once again trying to prove that Kate is lying to America. Granted, he probably does have a lot to be angry about after being cut out from "Jon and Kate Plus 8" and then sued by TLC for breach of contract; however, you have to wonder what his motivation is for using Twitter as a way to respond to the interview when he could have went on "Entertainment Tonight" as he has done in the past.

Do you think that Jon is acting out of desperation here, or is he merely trying to set the record straight? Let me know your thoughts with a comment below!

http://www.examiner.com/x-11363-Dal...us-8-Jon-Gosselin-responds-to-Kates-interview

I don't know if this one makes any sense, logically. Why would Jon want Hailey to badmouth him? If they were going to concoct a story, wouldn't it be one that portrays Jon is a positive light? Like, their relationship is on the rocks b/c he's just so doggone concerned for his kids that he doesn't have time for her? *cue tears*

 

[OhMari]

I don't know if this one makes any sense, logically. Why would Jon want Hailey to badmouth him? If they were going to concoct a story, wouldn't it be one that portrays Jon is a positive light? Like, their relationship is on the rocks b/c he's just so doggone concerned for his kids that he doesn't have time for her? *cue tears*

I remember reading how Jon knew she was going to do the interview, and he supported her decision, just like Hailey always supported him. This is so mixed up, they should having a "spinning smile head".

 

[C.Ann]

I'm willing to bet that Kate doesn't get nearly as much flack for this as Jon did when he got a speeding ticket -- even though the kids weren't in the car with him when he got caught.

That's just the way it goes.

As evidenced right here on this thread.. It's been forgotten already.. Had it been Jon, there would have been 20 pages of raking him over the coals..

Yes, but she doesn't remember when it was or where she was going at the time. .

Not only did that strike me as odd, but not once did she mention anything about seeking counseling, suggesting counseling, asking Jon if he would attend marriage counseling - yet - "everything she does, she does for her kids".. If that were true - and you had 8 children facing the possibility of their parents divorcing - wouldn't you give counseling a chance (and I don't mean a single session) before deciding on an airplane, coming back from or going "somewhere", that the marriage was over?

And what if the TV thing doesn't work out? What then? Maybe her insisting on doing the show is admitting that she can't succeed in a TV career on her own.

This is the real issue -- her life would have to change, a lot, if she did a regular job. Honestly, she could just do shifts on the days that Jon has custody.

It's not as if they're starting from zero -- they have a huge downpayment on the house where she lives, plus have another house to sell. If they both worked regular jobs, even part time, they could do it if they cut out excess spending.

And it's not as if J & K +8 was going to last forever -- at some point both parents would have to find another way to make an income. And I certainly don't see the parents' refusal to get real jobs as sufficient justification to make the kids continue doing the show.

The lifestyle change is the real "rub".. She just doesn't want it to change - period..

What she means is she can't live the lifestyle she likes on regular salaries.

Here you go - sell the million dollar house and go back and live in the other house. Take the kids out of the ridiculously expensive private schools and put them in public schools. No more flying out to California for spa days. Harsh, I know, but hey Kate most people DO live that way!

She has consistently said, "I will do whatever I have to do.." The problem is, she "doesn't"..

i think realisticly in this situation parent(s) need to sit down and crunch numbers-is daycare excessive such that it cancels out what one parent is making at work (and is the cost of working such that you spend more to do it than it results in bringing home???), is private school a necessity b/c of the care/schedual it provides or would you end up financialy ahead with one parent not working such that they would'nt need it? what are our expenses and how can we cut them back-are all the cars needed, can we downsize to less expensive ones? is the benefit of having a large home offset by the cost of maintaining it (and heating it, and paying taxes on it)-or does that size realy not matter b/c none of are ever realy together in it b/c we're always at work, kids are allways in daycare? can we end up saving in the long run by just selling our other home-even at a small loss, OR could we use that in the interim as the house the non custodial parent lives in during their non custodial time? do we REALY need to own a utah time share and pay those monthly maintainance fees and taxes?

People rarely do these sorts of things when they have already made up their minds that they want to "have their cake and eat it too.."


i look to the families (large and small) that have had extreeme financial downturns that lived where we used to live and where we live now-i was'nt nescessarily privey to their situations but as an outsider you could see what was going on because they all seemed to follow a familiar pattern that seems absent in the entire gosselin 'poor us' scenario-

first the highend leased vehicals were returned to the dealerships and either not replaced (if they had sufficient cars for the household) or replaced with much less expensive ones,

then the expensive 'toys' were sold off (including the kids atv's which cost them to insure),

then the service staff they used stopped coming (the lawn guy, the pest control, the pool maintainance...), newspapers stopped getting delivered (they used the internet),

then the kids stopped doing the costly extracurriculars, mom's nails showed no more salon trips or a more 'home styled' maintainace standard,

as the kids were getting bigger and outgrowing things there was a marked absence of the brand name logos on their clothes (still well clothed just not the expensive brands),

you did'nt see mom with shopping bags from whole earth or the other trendy higher end grocery stores-she was still shopping but at the more mainstream less expensive places,

definatly did'nt see the sitter there anymore during the hours mom/dad were traditionaly off work but tended to do their own extracurriculars/errands that were easier w/o the kids.

the second to the last step was usualy a large garage sale with the non essentials being sold off, the last was a real estate sign on the front lawn.

The people you speak of sound like intelligent, responsible parents doing what is best for the families - as opposed to spending every single day seeking fame and fortune - even if it means using their children as the "meal ticket"..


the gosselins seem to continue aquiring or planning to aquire consumer goods absolutly of no neccessity to the support of their children (atvs as bday gifts, diamond rings to replace wedding rings, rental properties for adults who have an entirely vacant home at their disposal). if they are able to do this or perceive they can then there is nothing occuring income wise that could endanger the current support of those kids-and if they are worried about the future they could be proactive and address it NOW; the money they save today could go a long way in providing for the many tomorrows.

100% correct..

i think it's kate's nature to see herself as this way.

when the show began we constantly heard her say that 'one person alone' could'nt care for the kids and she used that to justify jon quitting his job and being home with her-but then little by little it's come out that despite their claims that they had sent all the volunteers away there was still a presence-it might be with laundry help, it might be with some intermittant childcare but it still (in my mind) contributed to the care of the kids-i don't know that kate saw it that way though because she still seemed to focus on the 'we are doing this all alone' mantra.

she's also the kind of person that appears to be an 'all or nothing' type-it just seems that unless a person is 100% totaly on board with doing what she either wants them to do or feels they are obligated to do for her/kids then there's no middle ground for compromise and it's a total shut out. we heard her say over and over that certain members of the family did'nt want to participate in filming, but then we never heard any mention of interaction with these family members (and it would be normal if it was truly a 'reality' show of their lives for there to be a mention around the holidays of 'we got together with x and y last week', or 'we're doing catch up work this weekend b/c the kids spent last weekend playing with their cousins'-you never heard one of those kids chattering away about how they were going to go see this relative or that, how they had played with this friend or that-just seems so out of the norm esp. with younger kids who thrive on talking about this stuff). so for me it looked like she choose a very isolated family existence.

we've seen 'friends' periodically on the show and the friendships seemed very intense as compared to ones i've experienced (going to beth/bob's EVERY week for dinner, multiple mentions of beth in every episode and what they were doing together, how beth was watching the kids for them, how attached the kids were to them)-then *poof*, no mention of them, no references to them, it was like they were erased from their lives.

i have to wonder if kate is like a family member i have-he gets what he perceives as a slight or someone unknowingly/unintentionaly does something that somehow does'nt sit right right with him, and it's over. literaly decades of a relationship extinguished without a word. he has always perceived himself as alone despite what others did for him or were willing to-just his mind set and nothing will ever convince him otherwise.

so since 'jon' is'nt on 'team kate' it's conceivable to me that no matter what he may demonstrate as financial and emotional support to her and the kids she will always perceive herself as those kid's 'single parent'.

She certainly does portray someone who has this kind of attitude..

It's not the job. It's the refusal to admit that they are other ways to live than being on a TV show for large families. If they are not on TV they would not live in a box. There are ways to make it work, Kate does just not want to give up the life to which working her children has accustomed her to.

Agreed..

I forgot that Kate made the comment last nite at the end of the interview,
something about her kids getting or handed their lives on a golden platter.
That comment made me cringe.

I really cringed when she said that.. "My children deserve life handed to them on a golden platter.."

What they "deserve" is privacy, a normal family life, and two parents who are willing to support them by working themselves..

Me too. She is just feeding into the "Me" generation of kids that think they deserve everything without work, time, or effort.

The kids have done their share of working, of course, but for me, I want my kids to know that money does not buy happiness. Material possessions are worthless in an empty life, what I want for my kids is empathy and compassion, an honest heart and strong sense of right and wrong. I would never want life served to them on a golden (silver?) platter. I would rather they work hard and be happy and loved even with failure and setback, than to just be given everything and never have to struggle.

The one thing she said last night - that I have heard her say numerous times - is that she hopes that one day the phone will ring and when she answers it, it will be the "old Jon".. Who would that be? The one that she constantly berated; treated like a child; publicly humiliated him more times than I can count on the "couch"; stayed home and took care of the kids alone while she was off flitting here and there, doing whatever?

Not anything terribly new or interesting in that interview.. Pretty much the same pat answers - with a different spin thrown in here and there..

She also mentioned something about the possibility of doing a show for TLC on her own - without the kids being involved.. THAT I would be 100% in agreement with..

 

[DMRick]

I don't know if this one makes any sense, logically. Why would Jon want Hailey to badmouth him? If they were going to concoct a story, wouldn't it be one that portrays Jon is a positive light? Like, their relationship is on the rocks b/c he's just so doggone concerned for his kids that he doesn't have time for her? *cue tears*

As I said in an earlier post, the shows and rag mags want the negative. That's what a lot of America wants apparently, what sells the mags, what brings out the mags to pay, and what they want to watch. This thread would die in a NY minute, if we had no 'dirt'. Very seldom do people post nice stories about Kate or Jon,or what they are doing that is nice, and if they do, there is always a suspected motive (for either of them) suspected by just about all of us. Are those stories really not out there, or would no one buy the mags of the cleaned up version of these two?

 

[DMRick]

I never even knew Jon got a speeding ticket. I would find that as interesting as Kate getting one. Nada. Unless he was drunk driving, that would have little to no interest to me. So that went on for pages and pages, eh? I don't know how I missed it.

Maybe the Jon that wasn't a 9th child. The one she married. Maybe that's the one she wished would come back.

I don't believe she flitted here and there. I believe she was out promoting a book, giving speeches, and Jon was the agreed upon SAHD. If he didn't like it, he should have done something about it. But I think he thought it was going to be easier than working, if he actually had a job to work at at the time.

The rest of the coments, the seeking counseling, etc. I have no idea what they did or didn't do. Usually if you go to your pastor for counseling, you don't discuss it. Or maybe what happened between the two of them was not fixable. I can think of things that could be that way. Her thinking her kids deserve the best..hey, that canbe taken several different ways. I don't think there is much she can say right to please people who hate her. I have no idea if it's twisted, or turned, but I think if you think she is doing the best she can with the circumstances she is in, you hear a different meaning. If you don't like her, or hate her you (not you per say, anyone) hear it with the tone and meaning you think it should be.

The one thing she said last night - that I have heard her say numerous times - is that she hopes that one day the phone will ring and when she answers it, it will be the "old Jon".. Who would that be? The one that she constantly berated; treated like a child; publicly humiliated him more times than I can count on the "couch"; stayed home and took care of the kids alone while she was off flitting here and there, doing whatever?

Not anything terribly new or interesting in that interview.. Pretty much the same pat answers - with a different spin thrown in here and there..

She also mentioned something about the possibility of doing a show for TLC on her own - without the kids being involved.. THAT I would be 100% in agreement with..

 

[mhsjax]

Me too. She is just feeding into the "Me" generation of kids that think they deserve everything without work, time, or effort.

Same here, I almost lost my dinner. Also hubby brought up a point to me, Kate keeps saying that the people in her family are distant and friends are distant, wow, doesn't she see a common denominator in this, could it be Kate that is the problem and NOT everyone else. I guess most of these people just refused to bow down to her.

 

[newtodis]

As evidenced right here on this thread.. It's been forgotten already.. Had it been Jon, there would have been 20 pages of raking him over the coals..

I'm pretty sure I posted the story awhile back when Jon got his ticket too (or someone else did!). If not, here it is again from September. I'm pretty sure it didn't go on for pages - there might have been a couple of comments on it. Fairly similar reaction to Kate's honestly.

Jon Gosselin won't challenge a ticket for speeding on Interstate 78 last week.

The Lower Heidelberg Township resident, of "Jon & Kate Plus 8" fame, pleaded guilty this week to speeding while traveling east about a mile west of the Trexlertown/Fogelsville exits on Sept. 8.

He mailed in a check for $165.50 to District Court in Upper Macungie to cover his fine and court costs, according to court records, meaning he avoids a hearing.

Gosselin was traveling at 78 mph in his Mercedes ML 350 station wagon when he was pulled over by state police at Fogelsville, according to court records.

http://readingeagle.com/article.aspx?id=157774

As I said in an earlier post, the shows and rag mags want the negative. That's what a lot of America wants apparently, what sells the mags, what brings out the mags to pay, and what they want to watch. This thread would die in a NY minute, if we had no 'dirt'. Very seldom do people post nice stories about Kate or Jon,or what they are doing that is nice, and if they do, there is always a suspected motive (for either of them) suspected by just about all of us. Are those stories really not out there, or would no one buy the mags of the cleaned up version of these two?

Cute kids and junk sells! No one would watch a show about an old couple sitting around at home. Throw in some cute little grandkids and the old people fighting and you've got a hit! (PLEASE know that I'm just using that as a totally fabircated example and don't mean anything personal to anyone at all!!)

I never even knew Jon got a speeding ticket. I would find that as interesting as Kate getting one. Nada. Unless he was drunk driving, that would have little to no interest to me. So that went on for pages and pages, eh? I don't know how I missed it.

I'm pretty sure last time it was posted that Jon got a ticket and I don't think anyone really commented on that either. Honestly that's probably one of the most "real" or "relatable" things either of them has done recently! I'm a speeder myself so I can't fault either of them for that (granted I don't generally go more than 10 over ever - witnessed far too many accidents!).

 

[redrosesix]

I watched most of the interview this morning...

she says that she can't make ends meet as a nurse ... then she later says she'll do whatever it takes.

what I don't understand, and hope that someone can answer for me... how is it that Kate is a single mom? She isn't. She's a divorced mom, with an involved father... she's not doing this on her own, which is what I think of when I hear the phrase "single mom".

Don't forget -- this is part of the storyline for Kate + 8 -- a single mom doing it all on her own. We're going to be hearing that all the time, IMO, as they lead up to the beginning of the new series.

Jon tweeted this morning....

Got up early this morning took Mady and Cara to the bus, Came home to then hug my other 6 little morsels.

I stand behind Hailey because she is the only person who has spoken the brutal truth about (yes this whole mess of a trainwreck) as it is described. She has gotten the brunt of EVERYONE'S anger and disappointment. Kate even slipped last night and admitted we split up a year ago! Though she claims she "didn't remember" who called it quits.. Hey at least she said "didn't remember" instead of lieing.

6 little morsels???

Weird-- but maybe it's something Rabbi Shmuley would say?

As evidenced right here on this thread.. It's been forgotten already.. Had it been Jon, there would have been 20 pages of raking him over the coals..


Not only did that strike me as odd, but not once did she mention anything about seeking counseling, suggesting counseling, asking Jon if he would attend marriage counseling - yet - "everything she does, she does for her kids".. If that were true - and you had 8 children facing the possibility of their parents divorcing - wouldn't you give counseling a chance (and I don't mean a single session) before deciding on an airplane, coming back from or going "somewhere", that the marriage was over?



The lifestyle change is the real "rub".. She just doesn't want it to change - period..



She has consistently said, "I will do whatever I have to do.." The problem is, she "doesn't"..



100% correct..



She certainly does portray someone who has this kind of attitude..



Agreed..



I really cringed when she said that.. "My children deserve life handed to them on a golden platter.."

What they "deserve" is privacy, a normal family life, and two parents who are willing to support them by working themselves..





The one thing she said last night - that I have heard her say numerous times - is that she hopes that one day the phone will ring and when she answers it, it will be the "old Jon".. Who would that be? The one that she constantly berated; treated like a child; publicly humiliated him more times than I can count on the "couch"; stayed home and took care of the kids alone while she was off flitting here and there, doing whatever?

I think there actually were 20 pages about Jon's speeding ticket.

I'd like to know what the old Jon is too -- is that the guy who wanted to do the reality show?

It actually bothered me that she said that that was what the kids say -- can she not do an interview without implying that Jon is a horrible father now?

 

[C.Ann]

I'm pretty sure I posted the story awhile back when Jon got his ticket too (or someone else did!). If not, here it is again from September. I'm pretty sure it didn't go on for pages - there might have been a couple of comments on it. Fairly similar reaction to Kate's honestly.

Jon Gosselin won't challenge a ticket for speeding on Interstate 78 last week.

The Lower Heidelberg Township resident, of "Jon & Kate Plus 8" fame, pleaded guilty this week to speeding while traveling east about a mile west of the Trexlertown/Fogelsville exits on Sept. 8.

He mailed in a check for $165.50 to District Court in Upper Macungie to cover his fine and court costs, according to court records, meaning he avoids a hearing.

Gosselin was traveling at 78 mph in his Mercedes ML 350 station wagon when he was pulled over by state police at Fogelsville, according to court records.

http://readingeagle.com/article.aspx?id=157774





I'm pretty sure last time it was posted that Jon got a ticket and I don't think anyone really commented on that either. Honestly that's probably one of the most "real" or "relatable" things either of them has done recently! I'm a speeder myself so I can't fault either of them for that (granted I don't generally go more than 10 over ever - witnessed far too many accidents!).

Did he have any of his children in the car at the time?

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Did he have any of his children in the car at the time?

Don't know and don't care.

Publishing stories in the media regarding the speeding tickets of "celebrities" is nothng short of intnedng to make them look bad when pretty much we are a nation of speeders.

Now if it were habitual in that they thought they were above the law---or they caused an accident....then their actions are more serious.

And certainly--if alcohol were involved, there would be no excuse and I would expect the public to burn them at the stake.


I didn't know Jon got a ticket and not sure if I was part of the thread at the time. But I'm pretty sure that I could not be a hypocrite and condemn him when I, myself, have been pulled over speeding (somehow managed to not get a ticket--funny story by itself as I wasn't trying to!).

I'm pretty sure that some of those condemning Jon....might have a moving violation on record somewhere in their history.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

It actually bothered me that she said that that was what the kids say -- can she not do an interview without implying that Jon is a horrible father now?

Well the company he keeps is questionable and his "honest girlfriend who has been nothing but honest" recently declared his emotional abuse....

Something that can be used in a custody dispute.

So if we want to believe him as a good father--he needs to cut the crap and stop endorsing the very woman who has made a VERY SERIOUS accusation regarding his demeanor.

And *if true* (which I doubt...but Jon said she speaks the truth, now!)--often people will spread that abuse to others at some point especially if they are stressed.

Now--I don't believe that...but Jon says it is true and doesn't understand that it can and likely will be used against him if he isn't careful.

 

[newtodis]

Same here, I almost lost my dinner. Also hubby brought up a point to me, Kate keeps saying that the people in her family are distant and friends are distant, wow, doesn't she see a common denominator in this, could it be Kate that is the problem and NOT everyone else. I guess most of these people just refused to bow down to her.

I've posted this several times before on this and previous threads. I'm not close to ANYONE. I've been burned by far too many people to be able to trust anyone. My parents haven't been there for me and I can't tell you the last time I've spoken with either of them. Well, maybe I can if I think about it for a minute. My dad it would have been at my wedding in 2005 - the one and only time he saw his first grandson who was nine months old (he has yet to meet his second grandson who will be three this month). My mom, the last time she saw us (previously lived about an hour away) was when we were back "home" visiting this summer for a couple of nights after work. I sent her an email on her birthday last month because it's the "right" thing to do. I may not go out of my way to have them involved in my life but have never gone out of my way to keep my kids from them. When my boys are old enough, if they want to be closer to them, that's fine by me - I would never stand in the way of that. I struggle a lot since I don't want them to get hurt like I have but don't want to take away from their relationship as grandparent/child.

It's not that I want people to "bow down to me" - I've just been burned far too many times to let anyone else in. I'm sure part of the problem is me - not willing to let others in - but I'm very clear and upfront once I let people in just a little bit that I'm a tough cookie, keep to myself and like it that way. Inside I honestly hate it but would never tell anyone that. I would love to have friends come over and hang out or have a nice "girl's night out" with. That just won't happen with me and I'm used to that. I've had great friends who have just stabbed me in the back time after time so I've kind of "given up". Maybe Kate's just in the same place???

I know I tend to defend Kate but I guess that's who I would more identify with. I can't relate to Jon's behaviour and running out dating all kinds of different people. I can understand Kate being a working mom and worrying about not wanting to go back to where she's come from (I grew up very poor and am so proud to have a wonderful job and be able to get my kids the things they need and occassionaly want and do our little Disney trips - I'm terrified of being "poor" again).

 

[mhsjax]

I've posted this several times before on this and previous threads. I'm not close to ANYONE. I've been burned by far too many people to be able to trust anyone. My parents haven't been there for me and I can't tell you the last time I've spoken with either of them. Well, maybe I can if I think about it for a minute. My dad it would have been at my wedding in 2005 - the one and only time he saw his first grandson who was nine months old (he has yet to meet his second grandson who will be three this month). My mom, the last time she saw us (previously lived about an hour away) was when we were back "home" visiting this summer for a couple of nights after work. I sent her an email on her birthday last month because it's the "right" thing to do. I may not go out of my way to have them involved in my life but have never gone out of my way to keep my kids from them. When my boys are old enough, if they want to be closer to them, that's fine by me - I would never stand in the way of that. I struggle a lot since I don't want them to get hurt like I have but don't want to take away from their relationship as grandparent/child.

It's not that I want people to "bow down to me" - I've just been burned far too many times to let anyone else in. I'm sure part of the problem is me - not willing to let others in - but I'm very clear and upfront once I let people in just a little bit that I'm a tough cookie, keep to myself and like it that way. Inside I honestly hate it but would never tell anyone that. I would love to have friends come over and hang out or have a nice "girl's night out" with. That just won't happen with me and I'm used to that. I've had great friends who have just stabbed me in the back time after time so I've kind of "given up". Maybe Kate's just in the same place???

I know I tend to defend Kate but I guess that's who I would more identify with. I can't relate to Jon's behaviour and running out dating all kinds of different people. I can understand Kate being a working mom and worrying about not wanting to go back to where she's come from (I grew up very poor and am so proud to have a wonderful job and be able to get my kids the things they need and occassionaly want and do our little Disney trips - I'm terrified of being "poor" again).

I am sorry for the situation that you are in, however it isn't that common to have alienated all of your family, which it appears she has, plus she didn't seem to want Jon's family around except for his father. Sorry but I b elieve Kevin and Jodi, should they have spoken out? probably not, but I think Kate is just mad that they made it public. Kevin and Jodi did so much for them. And what about Beth, the person she loved so much. I think Kate got her own money and now she doesn't need Beth to suck up to. I just don't believe that it is that easy to alienate that many people and I am not talking about her"friends" that I can see, but her entire family, I just don't buy it. I think Kate is to blame, especially after seeing the way she treats people.

 

[newtodis]

Well the company he keeps is questionable and his "honest girlfriend who has been nothing but honest" recently declared his emotional abuse....

Something that can be used in a custody dispute.

So if we want to believe him as a good father--he needs to cut the crap and stop endorsing the very woman who has made a VERY SERIOUS accusation regarding his demeanor.

Now--I don't believe that...but Jon says it is true and doesn't understand that it can and likely will be used against him if he isn't careful.

I can only see it now - someone hacked into his twitter account - he would never say anything like that. In that sense, I think that's where Kate was smart to not put everything out like that on a social networking site. I would love the next interview to be of them hooked to the lie detector and someone telling us if it was honest or deceptive. At this point, that's almost what needs to happen.


As for if Jon had kids in the car when he got pulled over, I'm pretty sure when we talked about it here (this is the only place for my J&K news) that it was "Kate's time" with the kids or he was on the way to see them or something like that.

 

[DMRick]

I've posted this several times before on this and previous threads. I'm not close to ANYONE. I've been burned by far too many people to be able to trust anyone. .

That's pretty much what Kate said. She has trusted and been burnt. One only has to read the first couple of pages of the community board to know that there are people right here on the Dis that are not speaking to members of their immediate family. I think I also saw someone who wated to stop talking with a longtime friends. Kate is a control person. I'm thinking she always was, even when first married. I really do think for her it's her way or no way. That's her personality and how she is. All different kinds of people make up this world.