Jon and Kate Plus 8, Official Thread--Part 7

[newtodis]

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He loves it! Thank you!!!

 

[MAKmom]

He loves it! Thank you!!!

Your welcome

 

[redrosesix]

OK..we're going to agree again LOL!

If this is the man Jon has truly turned to for help, I think there is a chance for him. I really liked what this man had to say. It doesn't sound to me like Jon has turned Jewish, however. Unless he's going to be a Christian Jew. The Rabbi said he was a Christian and needed to remember that.

Yup, I usually agree with Rabbi Shmuley (but also with Judge Judy too). He doesn't sugar-coat anything -- you either agree with him or you don't, but it's always pretty easy to understand what he's saying and why he's saying it. Definitely not a "yes-man"

I actually had a friend who became an Anglican priest -- he minored in Judaism in divinity school when he did his masters. Not that I know anything about the Jewish religion, but he said it helped him to find his purpose in the church and the world. He decided to work at a mission church in the far north.

(I hope this isn't too religious for the mods..I"m trying not to use Biblical versus).
I can only assume that being public about asking for forgiveness, and being accountable for how he acts is part of the counseling. We have had people in church come forward and ask publicly for forgiveness, admit what they have done wrong and totally change their lives. By the congregation knowing, there is a lot of accountability, so the person wouldn't be able to easily continue doing whatever they asked for forgiveness from.
I would guess that Jon agreed to this.
And I could be completely wrong too, and this is a 15 minute thing again. Or Jon setting up for custody. I just hope it isn't.

I hope you're not wrong -- it sounds like a good match, since the Rabbi also has 9 kids ie. Jon can't use having a big family as an excuse for anything.

We have also had the public confession thing at our church -- people who really needed to make some major changes. I guess that's when they found out who their true friends were, and they got support from people they didn't even know who had been through similar circumstances. And the truth is, it seems like everything that Jon has done wrong has been very public (actually his biggest mistakes IMO came from not being private enough) so a public confession maybe makes sense here. Plus, if the press decides to give Jon a break, maybe they'll leave his kids alone too. At least I hope they will.

 

[madge]

In what aspect is Jon seeking advice from him??

he's not.

the appearance was canceled, by Jon, at the last minute.

 

[redrosesix]

I am truly disappointed about this:
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/11/jon-gosselin-cancels-appearance-rabbi

 

[DMRick]

I am truly disappointed about this:
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/11/jon-gosselin-cancels-appearance-rabbi

Well, maybe he just isn't ready to say Hailey was a mistake, and to apologize to Kate, if he doesn't think he owes her an apology. Too bad.

 

[madge]

Jon changed his mind and showed up after all.
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusiv...in-changes-mind-appearance-sparse-crowd-shows

Good lord. It's hard to keep up these days.

 

[redrosesix]

Well, maybe he just isn't ready to say Hailey was a mistake, and to apologize to Kate, if he doesn't think he owes her an apology. Too bad.

Could be. It does sound like he and Hailey are history though.

His statement sounds credible though -- maybe realistic is a better word -- it beats a lot of what he's been saying the past month.

I hope at least some of what the Rabbi has been saying sinks in a bit. Although I can understand him not wanting to apologize to Kate for dating even though the Rabbi is saying it doesn't matter who ended it. It sort of reminds me of the marriage advice that Jon got from Donny Osmond on The Insider -- no matter what Kate did, somehow it was all Jon's fault.

 

[DMRick]

no matter what Kate did, somehow it was all Jon's fault.

Here's where we don't agree LOL. I happen to think, no matter what Jon did, it's always Kate's fault.

OK, so now he showed up. This is too confusing.

 

[redrosesix]

Jon changed his mind and showed up after all.
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusiv...in-changes-mind-appearance-sparse-crowd-shows

Good lord. It's hard to keep up these days.

Wow -- ok, now I'm a little impressed (But JMHO, it's disrespectful to show up late -- I hope he apologized a lot)

 

[MAKmom]

Could be. It does sound like he and Hailey are history though.

His statement sounds credible though -- maybe realistic is a better word -- it beats a lot of what he's been saying the past month.

I hope at least some of what the Rabbi has been saying sinks in a bit. Although I can understand him not wanting to apologize to Kate for dating even though the Rabbi is saying it doesn't matter who ended it. It sort of reminds me of the marriage advice that Jon got from Donny Osmond on The Insider -- no matter what Kate did, somehow it was all Jon's fault.

What did Kate do to Jon? We really do not know of anything that she did to him.

We have a bit of a story Jon tell that she was fed up with him....but not why.

Marriages have all kinds arrangements. Donny & the Rabbi are correct he was & is a married man. If the "other" woman were not around to keep Jon company who knows, the marriage might be saved.

Marriages have good & bad years.

 

[redrosesix]

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What did Kate do to Jon? We really do not know of anything that she did to him.

We have a bit of a story Jon tell that she was fed up with him....but not why.

Marriages have all kinds arrangements. Donny & the Rabbi are correct he was & is a married man. If the "other" woman were not around to keep Jon company who knows, the marriage might be saved.

Marriages have good & bad years.

I didn't say she did anything to Jon -- I said no matter what Kate did it was somehow all Jon's fault. And I don't agree with that opinion.

Do you seriously think there was any chance they were going to get back together after Kate filed for divorce. IMO, most people wouldn't hang in there after something like that, or the People article that came out the day after that. She had publicly shamed him long before he was dating anybody else, or did any interviews.

Unless you think maybe Kate did all of that as a PR stunt? I don't think so -- I think she made it sound like it was final.

And where I live the marriage is officially over as soon as the couple is officially separated -- income is earned separately, custody arrangements are made, etc. Often, annulments are granted long before the divorce is finalized ie. the church agrees that the marriage is over, and the divorce is mostly about distributing the marital assets.

I might look at it differently if Kate hadn't been the one to file for divorce, but IMO once she had done that Jon was a free man.

 

[DMRick]

And where I live the marriage is officially over as soon as the couple is officially separated -- income is earned separately, custody arrangements are made, etc. Often, annulments are granted long before the divorce is finalized ie. the church agrees that the marriage is over, and the divorce is mostly about distributing the marital assets.

I don't know if Jon is still attending his church, but generally, in the AoG churches, the marriage would not have been considered over before they were divorced (and in some stricter churches, not even then). Muncipal rules usually differ, and as you said, once you have a legal separation, the marriage is over (for instance, the spouse cannot be charged with adultery).

I can't get into annulments within churches without really crossing the religious line.

 

[DMRick]

An emotional Jon Gosselin told a small audience in New York City Sunday night that he plans to ask his estranged wife Kate to forgive him for his actions of the last several months, and he promised girlfriend Hailey Glassman that they'll reconcile.


"It is hard for me to ask to be forgiven from someone who might never forgive me. I am saying this now to Kate, 'I am sorry for doing the things that I did'," Jon said.

Gosselin spoke to only about 50 paying customers and another 75 media at an event sponsored by Rabbi Shmuley Boteach's organization, This World.

Held at the West Side Jewish Center in Manhattan, Jon's confessional began 30 minutes late but he and the Rabbi then spoke for almost two hours.

Fame, Jon said, had been his downfall. ""I didn't grow up this way. It is hard for me," he said. "But I have to keep on going, keep on working and providing."

Knowing that his children could one day Google him and read about his recent behavior is an embarrassing thought, he added. "I know I'll have to explain my actions."


The Jon & Kate Plus 8 star hooked up with the Rabbi a few months ago "just to talk," he said. He wasn't initially looking for spiritual guidance. But he indicated he is now taking Rabbi Shmuley's advice.

In an exchange near the end of the event, the Rabbi told the small crowd, "My advice is, both spouses should not date because the kids are going through a hard time." He also suggeseted Jon put his relationship with Hailey Glassman "on ice."


Jon said that's exactly what he's doing. "Hailey and I decided to calm things down until the divorce, just until the divorce," he said.

"I don't want to ruin things with Hailey like I did with Kate. We just need to slow things down."

 

[MAKmom]

I didn't say she did anything to Jon -- I said no matter what Kate did it was somehow all Jon's fault. And I don't agree with that opinion.

Do you seriously think there was any chance they were going to get back together after Kate filed for divorce. IMO, most people wouldn't hang in there after something like that, or the People article that came out the day after that. She had publicly shamed him long before he was dating anybody else, or did any interviews.

Unless you think maybe Kate did all of that as a PR stunt? I don't think so -- I think she made it sound like it was final.

And where I live the marriage is officially over as soon as the couple is officially separated -- income is earned separately, custody arrangements are made, etc. Often, annulments are granted long before the divorce is finalized ie. the church agrees that the marriage is over, and the divorce is mostly about distributing the marital assets.

I might look at it differently if Kate hadn't been the one to file for divorce, but IMO once she had done that Jon was a free man.

Hailey & that school teacher were in the picture before she filed. There is a mandatory waiting period before the divorce can be final for a reason. It is not over to its over.

How did she shame him?

 

[mikki'smom]

I wonder if he were really being honest would he say that he was better off now than he was this time last year? Did getting rid of Kate and the show make everything all better in his life? Could he stand there and say that his actions of late were all done "for the children"? He has become the laughing stock of the world. He has shamed and disgraced himself and his family and that won't go away or be forgotten. I'm also afraid that in his "hate for Kate" he has probably damaged her so much that she won't be able to get a decent job...even as a nurse...I hope that Jon and Kevin and Jodi (and I won't mention the others in this terrible mess as they are all just there for the brush with fame that it could bring them) are all happy now...the Gosselins truly stand to lose it all....and like it or not this will not be good for the kids...

 

[WaltD4Me]

I'm sad Jon didn't go back to PA for Nana Janet's funeral. I hope Kate went. If someone is close enough for your children to call them Nana, you go to their funeral.

 

[ma2jr]

If someone is close enough for your children to call them Nana, you go to their funeral.

Absolutely...

 

[barkley]

re. the funeral-if i were a member of her family i probably would have requested they not attend. noone mourning the passing of a loved one needs the media circus that follows both of them whereever they travel.

 

[mikki'smom]

Question? Didn't Nana Janet live in Sinking Springs? Isn't the Gosselin homestead in Sinking Springs? If so, I wonder if they chose to move to that area to be close to Nana Janet.