Jon and Kate Plus 8, Official Thread--Part 7

[TanyaLovesPooh]

Actually, didn't Kate say they couldn't go to NY now because Daddy stopped the show? They were supposed to go see the Statue Of Liberty I believe. So yes, I think they do understand that they get all these things because of TLC and being on TV. Especially when Kate tells them they can't do something because TLC isn't filming them there. That could make for some very spoiled kids if you ask me.

We have to be careful here because we don't know what Kate told the kids. Another poster implied that Kate probably told them that way.

 

[DMRick]

I wonder what might have been had they not done the show and Jon kept his job?

That might have been tough for Jon..he wasn't good at keeping jobs LOL.

 

[newtodis]

Actually, didn't Kate say they couldn't go to NY now because Daddy stopped the show? They were supposed to go see the Statue Of Liberty I believe. So yes, I think they do understand that they get all these things because of TLC and being on TV. Especially when Kate tells them they can't do something because TLC isn't filming them there. That could make for some very spoiled kids if you ask me.

I think she said (on the Today show maybe???) that they were supposed to be filming in NYC the day of the interview or something like that. When we talked about this before, I said that maybe the show was doing something "exclusive" that you couldn't just walk up and do - maybe TLC had tickets to go to the top of the statue or something like that and Kate wasn't able to get the tickets or the statue people said "if you're (TLC) not coming they're not free" or something, who knows. That was also the time Kate was claiming she only had $1000 in her account - if that's true, how would it look for their family to be spending a "fun" day in NYC with no money to pay the bills? It's back to you're darned if you go, you're darned if you stay home. And, that's what she said in the interview, who knows what she told the kids - she could have told them it was too cold and they were waiting for another day for all we know.

 

[MusiqChic99]

I think this will affect the children because this will follow them ... always. I'm pretty sure we will hear about them going to college, having kids...making mistakes...same as Jon and Kate.

I guess you really can't go back. I just hope those kids enjoy the media as much as their parents when they are older. Otherwise they might be a little resentful, that they can't have a private life.

 

[newtodis]

We have to be careful here because we don't know what Kate told the kids. Another poster implied that Kate probably told them that way.

I think Jon mentioned that in one of his interviews or something...

 

[DMRick]

I guess if this was true, we know it wasn't because he was just looking out for the kids. Another thing the kids get to hear. Daddy blackmailing (of sorts) TLC for the kids.

TMZ has the lawsuit documents if anyone wants to read it.

http://www.tmz.com/2009/10/16/jon-gosselin-kate-jon-and-kate-plus-eight-lawsuit-tlc/

According to the suit, filed by Paul Gaffney of the law firm of Williams & Connolly in DC, the day TLC recast the show as "Kate Plus 8," Jon's lawyer contacted TLC and demanded that they release him from the "exclusivity" provision of the contract, even though Jon was still drawing a full salary. The suit claims Jon's lawyer gave an ultimatum -- either release him from the exclusivity clause within one hour, or Jon would block the filming of the TLC show on grounds it was "detrimental to his children."

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

That was also the time Kate was claiming she only had $1000 in her account - if that's true, how would it look for their family to be spending a "fun" day in NYC with no money to pay the bills? It's back to you're darned if you go, you're darned if you stay home. And, that's what she said in the interview, who knows what she told the kids - she could have told them it was too cold and they were waiting for another day for all we know.

 

[momrek06]

GOOD FRIDAY MORNING!!!

On the flipside, Danny Bonaduce’s former wife Gretchen (who came with her new fiancé).

OT, well I am certainly glad to see that Gretchen has moved on with her life. I watched their show a few times and man o man what a

Danny is/was...Gretchen seemed like such a sweetheart and trying so hard to deal with HIM.

 

[newtodis]

I think this will affect the children because this will follow them ... always. I'm pretty sure we will hear about them going to college, having kids...making mistakes...same as Jon and Kate.

I agree - I think "major" things in their life will be covered - graduation, marriages, ect probably along with any "mistakes" made but hopefully by that point (it's another like nine years before the twins graduate right?) people will be over the Gosselins and another generation will be watching it and not really know all the history so it will probably be just a little blip on the radar at that point in time.

 

[newtodis]

Here's the Z on TV info on the TLC court case:

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/entertainment/zontv/2009/10/tlc_sues_jon_gosselin_jon_kate.html

 

[3prettyprincesses]

We have to be careful here because we don't know what Kate told the kids. Another poster implied that Kate probably told them that way.

I think she said (on the Today show maybe???) that they were supposed to be filming in NYC the day of the interview or something like that. When we talked about this before, I said that maybe the show was doing something "exclusive" that you couldn't just walk up and do - maybe TLC had tickets to go to the top of the statue or something like that and Kate wasn't able to get the tickets or the statue people said "if you're (TLC) not coming they're not free" or something, who knows. That was also the time Kate was claiming she only had $1000 in her account - if that's true, how would it look for their family to be spending a "fun" day in NYC with no money to pay the bills? It's back to you're darned if you go, you're darned if you stay home. And, that's what she said in the interview, who knows what she told the kids - she could have told them it was too cold and they were waiting for another day for all we know.

I think Jon mentioned that in one of his interviews or something...

I knew I wasn't crazy!

http://omg.yahoo.com/news/kate-gosselin-i-d-work-at-mcdonalds-to-support-kids/29006

QUOTE:

"We're on temporary holding right now. A lot of this stuff is out of my control," she said. "I can tell you that my kids are upset that it's on hold, that the opportunities that they did have. For example, they're supposed to be in New York. We were supposed to come up this weekend and see the Statue of Liberty and they don't understand why we can't do that now. So for myself and the kids, I'm hoping it goes on for the opportunities as well as, obviously, the financial. I mean, essentially, it's my job, and I'm hoping to continue working."

And if it doesn't?

"I do know that no matter what, I know within myself that if I have to work at McDonald's, I will do what it takes to provide for my kids, period," she said

 

[FergieTCat]

What would stop TLC from ending the production of "Jon & Kate + 8" and thereby concluding that contract, and then signing a new contract with just Kate?

 

[redrosesix]

TMZ has the lawsuit documents if anyone wants to read it.

http://www.tmz.com/2009/10/16/jon-gosselin-kate-jon-and-kate-plus-eight-lawsuit-tlc/

According to the suit, filed by Paul Gaffney of the law firm of Williams & Connolly in DC, the day TLC recast the show as "Kate Plus 8," Jon's lawyer contacted TLC and demanded that they release him from the "exclusivity" provision of the contract, even though Jon was still drawing a full salary. The suit claims Jon's lawyer gave an ultimatum -- either release him from the exclusivity clause within one hour, or Jon would block the filming of the TLC show on grounds it was "detrimental to his children."

It now seems obvious to me that TLC and Kate are working together to discredit Jon -- sort of a one-two punch. Work with TLC to get Jon off the show, refuse to go to mediation so that the divorce cannot be finalized as a no-fault divorce (thus preventing the division of assets), force Jon to pay money back to the account, remove any assets he has to pay the money back. And then he's expected to show up in divorce court and prove that he deserves joint custody of his kids -- we all know that he won't get it now. And once Kate has full-custody, the kids will be back on the show and there is nothing Jon can do about it.

What is sad about this, no matter which side you are on, is that Jon will be ruined, both in the public's eyes and his kids' eyes. He might as well just die before it gets any worse so they'll at least have some good memories of him.

 

[FergieTCat]

Uhm, Jon has some responsbility for his own actions too.

He was the one caught with another woman (Deana, was it?) back in January. Not to mention his affair with Hailey. Maybe if he had used some discretion, things wouldn't have gotten so ugly so quickly.

Well, this has settled one thing for me -- Jon wouldn't have pulled the plug at that time if it had not been for TLC's move (although I do believe he had been in negotiations with TLC to get his kids off the show during the divorce at least). That had been really troubling me once I realized it had been done close to the twins' birthday.

And it also shows that TLC and Kate are working together to discredit Jon -- sort of a one-two punch. Work with TLC to get Jon off the show, refuse to go to mediation so that the divorce cannot be finalized as a no-fault divorce (thus preventing the division of assets), force Jon to pay money back to the account, remove any assets he has to pay the money back. And then he's expected to show up in divorce court and prove that he deserves joint custody of his kids -- we all know that he won't get it now. And once Kate has full-custody, the kids will be back on the show and there is nothing Jon can do about it.

What is sad about this, no matter which side you are on, is that Jon will be ruined, both in the public's eyes and his kids' eyes. He might as well just die before it gets any worse so they'll at least have some good memories of him.

 

[newtodis]

I knew I wasn't crazy!

http://omg.yahoo.com/news/kate-gosselin-i-d-work-at-mcdonalds-to-support-kids/29006

QUOTE:

We're on temporary holding right now. A lot of this stuff is out of my control," she said. "I can tell you that my kids are upset that it's on hold, that the opportunities that they did have. For example, they're supposed to be in New York. We were supposed to come up this weekend and see the Statue of Liberty and they don't understand why we can't do that now. So for myself and the kids, I'm hoping it goes on for the opportunities as well as, obviously, the financial. I mean, essentially, it's my job, and I'm hoping to continue working."

And if it doesn't?

"I do know that no matter what, I know within myself that if I have to work at McDonald's, I will do what it takes to provide for my kids, period," she said

I didn't think you were crazy!

The part you bolded though still says the kids don't understand why they can't go to NYC. They could be mad at mom for not taking them - I really belieive that kids that age have no concept of the money and shouldn't be a part of the circus their parents are living in to try and understand. No way do I think Kate should have answered their question with "well daddy told TLC to go away and took all of our money out of our account so we can't pay the bills and TLC isn't paying mommy any more or sending us on free trips". They could be mad that daddy lives there and won't take them. They could be mad that their friends from TLC (crew) weren't going. We have no way to know what the kids were told or not told other than what we've heard from the parents - which is almost total opposites.... I guess I'm trying to say (not very well this morning!) that I really don't think the kids "get" it - maybe Mady and Cara a little bit but if their "crowd" goes on trips and stuff anyways, maybe that's a "normal" life for their friends so they think it's pretty normal as well other than the cameras with the Gosselins on their trips.

I just have to go back to she could have taken them but how would that have looked with her claiming she only had $1000 in the account and bills she couldn't pay?

Sorry - I'm not trying to be a pest - I'm really not! We'll just have to agree to disagree.

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

Uhm, Jon has some responsbility for his own actions too.

He was the one caught with another woman (Deana, was it?) back in January. Not to mention his affair with Hailey. Maybe if he had used some discretion, things wouldn't have gotten so ugly so quickly.

I agree, Jon has mostly himself to blame. However, I also agree with Redrose and find this very sad, I don't want to see Jon ruined or worse.

 

[WaltD4Me]

What would stop TLC from ending the production of "Jon & Kate + 8" and thereby concluding that contract, and then signing a new contract with just Kate?

Two things. The house is in both Jon and Kate's name, so they would need permission from him to film on that property. More importantly, Jon is the kid's father and he can object to his children being filmed. Just because they release Jon from his contract doesn't mean he doesn't have any say so about his children and his property.

I blame his idiot lawyer for this mess. Right or wrong, you can't just blow off a contract whenever you feel like it or it doesn't suit you anymore. Jon claimed on LKL that when he signed TLC contract neither he or Kate had a lawyer, they just signed it, not really knowing what they signed. I didn't believe that for one second. Kate is not stupid and I was sure they had representation, especially for the most recent contract.

So, Michael Lohan wants Jon on his stupid Divorced Dads Club. Michael Lohan hooks Jon up with creepy lawyer. Creepy lawyer tells Jon to make demands and to just go on all the shows they want him, (ET, Insider, ect...) Creepy lawyer is getting a cut of what they are paying him, I'm sure, so what does he care? He probably told Jon he would fix everything, not to worry about it, ect...Creepy lawyer probably isn't licensed to practice in Maryland either, so now what is Jon going to do?

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

I didn't think you were crazy!

The part you bolded though still says the kids don't understand why they can't go to NYC. They could be mad at mom for not taking them - I really belieive that kids that age have no concept of the money and shouldn't be a part of the circus their parents are living in to try and understand. No way do I think Kate should have answered their question with "well daddy told TLC to go away and took all of our money out of our account so we can't pay the bills and TLC isn't paying mommy any more or sending us on free trips". They could be mad that daddy lives there and won't take them. They could be mad that their friends from TLC (crew) weren't going. We have no way to know what the kids were told or not told other than what we've heard from the parents - which is almost total opposites.... I guess I'm trying to say (not very well this morning!) that I really don't think the kids "get" it - maybe Mady and Cara a little bit but if their "crowd" goes on trips and stuff anyways, maybe that's a "normal" life for their friends so they think it's pretty normal as well other than the cameras with the Gosselins on their trips.

I just have to go back to she could have taken them but how would that have looked with her claiming she only had $1000 in the account and bills she couldn't pay?

Sorry - I'm not trying to be a pest - I'm really not! We'll just have to agree to disagree.

I don't think you are crazy either 3prettyprincesses....I was just saying we don't know that she told the kids about Daddy and filming.

 

[newtodis]

I have a question about the court paperwork - the first page shows it's TLC vs Jon Gosselin and JKID, Inc - isn't that the bank account referrenced in the recent alligations?? Wouldn't Kate be tied to that account as well??? On the second page, it says in 4. that it's a "loan out" company - can anyone explain to me what that means??? - and that Jon was supposed to be the one in charge of the company (and account if it's the same thing). I thought all along both J&K have agreed that Kate handles all of the finances, so again, doesn't that bring Kate into the mix? I haven't gotten very far in but these were things that popped out at me right away. Hopefully someone can help me make sense of this stuff....

 

[daughtersrus]

Well that is an awesome perk for a private school.

When my DS went to private school, it was $600 a year. AND they did not pick up at our home...we had to do exactly like Kate...go to a public parking lot. We had to go soooo early as the bus stopped in many towns. Same for the return...it was always late coming home.

Our local school district provides free transportation to the Catholic schools within our district. I'm not sure if it' state law or if it's an agreement that was reached between the schools and the district. I'm guessing that they determined that it was cheaper for the district to provide the transportation than it was to educate the children in the public schools.