Jon and Kate Plus 8, Official Thread--Part 7

[redrosesix]

I agree with you -- this won't be cleared up any time soon. I honestly can't imagine these 2 agreeing on anything to do with custody, let alone finances while Kate has petitioned the court for temporary child and spousal support.

 

[newtodis]

Were these guys in the same courtroom today, because IMO it sounds like Heller is pretty happy with the judge's decision too:
http://ca.eonline.com/uberblog/b148735_kate_gosselin_banks_big_bucks_jon_loses.html

This article repeats all of the statements by Mark Momjian and Kate that we've seen elsewhere, plus this:
Speaking on behalf of Team Jon was his lawyer, Mark Heller.

"All of the attorneys on both sides worked very hard. We are very pleased with the outcome of the court proceeding and the arbitration session," he said.

"We are very hopeful that there will soon be a resolution," he added, referring to the couple's overall finances.

Who knows...maybe they missed some of it due to a bathroom break or Jon's smoke breaks.

Long time lurker of this thread, never posted.

I seem to be interpreting something different than some of you. According to the eonline story, Jon did withdraw 235,000 but only has to repay 180,000 since the difference of 55,000 went to Kate for household & children's expenses. But most of you are reading this as if Kate took the 55,000 and must account for it. Am I not reading this right?

I was wondering if the bolded part was a typo because it just wasn't reading right to me - they go from talking about Jon then mention Kate...it just didn't read right to me with the next part saying that Kate would have to cough up cash. I have to admit though that I'm with the rest who are really confused at this point!

"Mr. Gosselin must repay this sum on or before Oct. 26," Kate's attorney, Mark Momjian, said in a statement to E! News. "If he fails to do so, he must appear before the court for contempt proceedings.

"The remaining sum of $55,000, which Ms. Gosselin used for household bills and expenses relating to the children, will be subject to further determination by the arbitrator at a later date."

But Kate might also have to cough up some cash...

In response to Jon's allegations that Kate has not been forthright about her own checkbook—suppposedly appropriating family-earmarked money and hiding proceeds from book sales—she has also been ordered to provide an accounting by the next hearing on Oct. 26.

http://ca.eonline.com/uberblog/b148735_kate_gosselin_banks_big_bucks_jon_loses.html

I totally agree with this

When Jon was on The Insider and was asked about the account of the children he made it sound as if they can access it any time and would if need be.

Didn't Kate say on the Today show that she's the one who set up the accounts? I'm guessing if that was done after the divorce and Kate believed she couldn't trust Jon and he was making irratic purchases as she claimed on the Today show (I think that's the right interview), she wouldn't be giving him access to the kid's trust funds....

My guess is they both have taken money they weren't supposed to. I tend to think Kate is squirreling what she took away though and Jon has been spending it. The quicker they get divorced the quicker they each get their own money.

The thing I don't understand is, when Jon moved out, was there any determination of how he was supposed to pay his living expenses by the arbitrator? I mean if the arbitrator said he couldn't take any money out of the accounts, you would think he would have given Jon an allowance or something? Or were Jon's bills just going to Kate and she was paying them? I find it hard to believe TLC was paying the full rent on Jon's NYC pad, but if they were, who is paying that now? It's 2 bedrooms/2 baths, the rent must be a fortune.

I thought the agreement was that they could both withdraw money but had to have the other's consent before doing so - that would (I would think) give Jon money for his living expenses. I think Jon said his rent was $5,000/month on LKL.

I thought they both live at the house in PA they have 50/50 custody at this point. Jon just rented a place in NYC for Kates days. Kate has to leave too we just do not know where she goes. Kate must have bill too that need to be paid.

I don't think Jon only rented the apartment for his days - I'm guessing he rents it and pays a monthly rent. It would be hard to rent to someone else on the days Jon isn't using it...

I remember her saying that Jon's actions left her no choice but to file for divorce. Who knows what that means though, we never did hear anything shocking in the news. I most definitely believe that she did it because of the $. I just found it interesting that on the big seperation announcement she said it wasn't something she wants yet she won't allow the divorce to be slowed down. So yes, it's all about the money.

I thought she said (I remember most recently on the Today Show when she said she took the money initially because she couldn't trust him) that it was because he was making "irratic purchases" - that might be part of the reason. I'd think if anyones spouse was spending their money left and right and the other spouse couldn't convince them to stop or come to an agreement that they'd get divorced. I'm also guessing that all the allegations with the different girls didn't help all too much either.

The big question is will Jon have the money to put back in the account? If he does not what will happen?

That will be interesting to see! If he's really spent it, does he need to proove what he's spent it on (sorry Mady and Cara - the birthday gifts have to go back. Mommy wants her money back now) and only return the difference or was that the point of the meeting yesterday - now they've determined that the $180,000 should just be hanging around somewhere?

The judge said that Jon has to put $180,000 back in the account. I wonder if he will even be able to do so? If he has been making those withdrawals over the past month, in approx. $15,000 increments, is there any money left? Might he have spent it already?

If he has, where's he going to get the money to put it back?

At $15,000/month, giving Jon the benefit of the doubt that he was responsible with it:

$7500 to the joint account for monthly expenses
$5000 monthly rent

That leaves him $2500 each month to pay for two vehicles, gas, vehicle insurance, utilities, groceries and anything else he does. That's not taking into account any other income or anything that Jon has. And, I have no idea who's paying those bills - if they go to Jon or to Kate or how that all works out.

Its not just ET it is Inside Edition also:

http://www.insideedition.com/news.aspx?storyId=3502

After court, the estranged couple headed to an office building down the block to try to work things out. Jon stepped out repeatedly for cigarette breaks, and INSIDE EDITION's Paul Boyd spoke to him privately for nearly half an hour.

Jon told him that the judge ordered them to get their act together before coming back in his courtroom again, so Jon, Kate, their attorneys, and a court-appointed arbitrator locked themselves inside a room to work through the big financial issues. Jon says he wants a resolution so that his eight kids aren't dragged through the mud anymore.

After the session, Jon's attorney Mark J. Heller told Paul Boyd, "We're very hopeful that there will soon be a resolution."

Are you kidding me - how much can you smoke in an hour???? Really - you can't wait an hour when it's something like this????

 

[newtodis]

For the person who commented on Jon's twitter from yesterday, did you read the comments? Yikes!

https://twerbose.com/t16648

 

[redrosesix]

Are you kidding me - how much can you smoke in an hour???? Really - you can't wait an hour when it's something like this????

It's funny how the today's reports about yesterday's events are so different from yesterday's. Of course, all we had to go on yesterday was the interview/statement from Kate's lawyer and her.

So, what I'm gathering is this: the lawyers met with the judge in his chambers for about an hour while Jon and Kate waited in the courtroom. Then the judge came into the courtroom and made the (public) statement that they had to put any monies back, keep it private, etc. etc.

Immediately after that, the lawyers and Jon and Kate met with the arbitrator privately -- all of this ended by 2:30, which is when Kate's lawyer went to the press. So they may have been meeting with the arbitrator for 4 hours or more.

I'm also seeing that the $180,000 that Momjian says the judge ordered Jon to return to the account was just possibly the amount that Jon and Kate settled on with the arbitrator (maybe the amount he can afford, maybe the difference between what they've both withdrawn -- we don't know), and Jon is giving Kate until Oct. 26th to show how she spent the $55,000 as well as the other accounting details ie. not requiring her to return any money to the account until after she has done that.

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

I tivo'd the Roloff's. I've only watched the first few minutes. I know I heard at the end of their last season they were having marital problems, but I was still surprised to hear Amy say they are going in different directions and 'kid' about divorce. I wonder if they will be the next reality divorce. I wonder if we are getting small hints now to prepare us.

I haven't had a chance to watch yet, but I sure hope that isn't the case.

Is this what you're looking for?

Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akyeH1OkjMA&feature=related

Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ss8bwbog7d4&feature=related

Thank you, hbkfan Those are actually 2 that we have seen, The Insider kept promoting more footage from Jon with Nancy and it has never turned up that I know of.

Its not just ET it is Inside Edition also:

The Insider is also advertising an "exclusive" interview with Jon.

I don't know, it's a bit more than rumors IMHO. There is a picture of Stepanie Santoro sneaking out of the Gosselin house in the wee hours of the morning wearing the same clothes as the night before. True, no sex tape, but close enough. As for Kate Major, I don't know about her, nothing like that with her and I wouldn't take her word for it, but when Larry King asked Jon point blank about Kate Major, he didn't out and out deny it, he just said Kate Major was one of his mistakes.

At the very least it shows that Jon has very poor judgment in people. Hailey and Lohan are both going to take advantage of him in the end as well. Having said that, I do believe that he had his fun with Stephanie and Kate 2.

There are no compromising pictures of Kate with Steve, no admissions by Steve & no photo of Steve & her holding hands even though 99% of the public have cell phones these days. Steve was a rumor thrown out by Jon to get the focus off his misdeeds, IMO.

He also has said that he never smoked pot, and I don't believe much of what Stephanie said, or what Kate Major said, since it was in their best interests monetarily to come out with the most scandalous story possible -- they both benefited from telling these stories so IMO that makes them less credible.

The problem is it also makes Jon less credible, true or not. Jon isn't going to confirm that he has in fact smoked pot in the middle of a divorce battle either, IMO. Given the people that Jon has been hanging around with, it isn't a stretch to think that he has engaged in such behavior. Often times we are judged by the company we keep. Which is why I wish he would completely cut off Hailey, Lohan and all others that tarnish his image even further.

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

Immediately after that, the lawyers and Jon and Kate met with the arbitrator privately -- all of this ended by 2:30, which is when Kate's lawyer went to the press. So they may have been meeting with the arbitrator for 4 hours or more.

That makes more sense.

I saw a picture of Kate picking up Cara & Mady from school yesterday and the caption read "almost late due to court proceedings". I thought huh? That only took an hour and was over this morning.

It also may explain why they both looked so tired later in the day. I also gather from a link that was posted from Jon's twitter page that he lost a very good friend yesterday. I was sorry to hear that for him.

 

[DMRick]

Go ahead then if you must

I just feel like I post the same thing every time this comes up -- actually I probably do, as do a lot of other people. I guess I've just agreed to disagree.

And I have no doubt that Jon will have many other "friends" -- despite what he says, I'm betting Hailey is going to be known as the transitional girl. He likes her because she treats him so differently than Kate did, and that is not something to build a lasting relationship on.

Thank you

I bet he marries her the second the ink is dry on the divorce papers to prove to the world she was his soul mate. Sounds like she is controling what he does, and I think that makes Jon comfortable. Just like with Kate.

 

[DMRick]

Doris, you're misunderstanding me. My point in even bringing up Kate and Steve was to illustrate that I don't believe that rumor either. There are so many rumors flying around about Jon and different women and Kate and Steve that I just don't believe any of them. Just because 2 women came forward doesn't mean it's true. I would say the same about Kate.

I didn't misunderstand you (at least I don't think I did). I happen to have seen more 'proof' type of photo's so I happened to believe Jon was stupid enough to have been guilty as charged in at least two of the three incidents. If I had seen the same photo's of Kate, I would prob believe them too.

 

[newtodis]

Thank you

I bet he marries her the second the ink is dry on the divorce papers to prove to the world she was his soul mate. Sounds like she is controling what he does, and I think that makes Jon comfortable. Just like with Kate.

According to her tweets, she doesn't want marriage....

FYI seeing everything go on I NEVER want to get married-LOL, no joke though. A commitment ring is good enough for me<lol
8:00 AM Oct 11th from web

 

[DMRick]

Who ever had those photographs would be able to cash in for a lot of money. I'm thinking if someone had them, they would have surfaced. It's always my brother's girlfriend's cousin's mom's sister in law that has this type of info...never the one telling about it, who could actually choose to show them.

Uh..so this person claims Kate is a lesbian and having an affair with her? Or is Kate's new sitter a guy? Or are you joking and I look foolish for not getting it?

I don't even care that Jon had them (if he did) once they separated..I do care how he has strutted himself for his kids to see on the magazines, with other woman.

Not just rumors about Jon and women! One of the young mothers at the library (I volunteer with my dog at a pre-school program) swore yesterday that Kate is having an affair, but not with Steve. She claimed to have seen photographic evidence that Kate and her new baby sitter were an item.

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

Who ever had those photographs would be able to cash in for a lot of money. I'm thinking if someone had them, they would have surfaced. It's always my brother's girlfriend's cousin's mom's sister in law that has this type of info...never the one telling about it, who could actually choose to show them.

Uh..so this person claims Kate is a lesbian and having an affair with her? Or is Kate's new sitter a guy? Or are you joking and I look foolish for not getting it?

I don't even care that Jon had them (if he did) once they separated..I do care how he has strutted himself for his kids to see on the magazines, with other woman.

Exactly. If these photos existed they would have been all over the news and internet so fast it would make your head spin. There are no photos of lesbian lovers or moments of tenderness with Steve for a reason.

 

[3prettyprincesses]

Well, that's not good...

http://omg.yahoo.com/news/jon-and-kate-show-booed-at-awards-show/29484

QUOTE:

Jon and Kate Show Booed at Awards ShowUs Magazine - 5 minutes ago

Jon and Kate Gosselin's TLC reality show bites - according to the audience at the Fox Reality Channel's Reality Awards in Los Angeles Tuesday.

The June 23 episode - which featured the couple announcing they were separating after 10 years of marriage - was up for Best Reality OMG Moment. When it was announced, the crowd booed.

The future of the TLC show - which was recently renamed Kate Plus 8 - remains up in the air.

Direct filming of the children has been suspended, as Jon has refused to let his eight kids go on camera, claiming it is harmful to their health. A TLC spokesperson has said his claims are "grossly inaccurate, without merit and are clearly opportunistic."

Ratings for the show -- which first debuted on Apr. 16, 2007 -- also have dropped significantly. The fifth season premiere attracted a record 9.8 million viewers. On Sept. 21, only 1.7 million viewers tuned in.

A promo advertising next week show says: "With only a limited number of episodes remaining, Jon and Kate spend quality time with those who matter."

Meanwhile, Jon and Kate's personal lives continue to get more dramatic.

On Tuesday, a Pennsylvania judge ordered Jon to return $180,000 to a bank account he shares with Kate by Oct. 26 or he will face potential contempt charges.

 

[redrosesix]

Exactly. If these photos existed they would have been all over the news and internet so fast it would make your head spin. There are no photos of lesbian lovers or moments of tenderness with Steve for a reason.

ITA with this, but then again we also have no photos of where Kate lives when she's not at the house, etc, etc. In fact, except for pumping gas and getting coffee, it's as if she drops off the face of the earth if she's not doing an appearance somewhere. We know very little about what she does even when she's at the house. The same is also true for Jon -- for example, he gave an 8 minute interview to the paparazzi last Wednesday, but that was 8 minutes out of a 24-hour day.

While the show was running, we saw them as TLC wanted to portray them. Then we saw them the way the tabloids wanted to show them (IMO, it was in their best interests to make every story they ran as scandalous as possible) Then we saw them as they wanted to portray each other -- hard to accept an opinion of somebody from the person who is fighting an ugly divorce with them or, worse yet, their divorce attorney.

For some reason, some people get all too caught up in the tabloid stories, thinking that this is the totality of a person -- how many times have I seen a comment on an article about Jon, or on his twitter, that somebody "hopes he rots in hell"? Or that Kate should have her children taken away from her? Maybe fair statements towards a character in a movie or on a TV drama, but unfortunately these are real people with real lives and real children.

In short, we don't know these people at all. There could be many more bad things that they are smart enough to keep hidden, but also much more good that for their own reasons they choose to keep private. Just as we don't know who they're talking to or what they're talking about in those many pictures we see of them using their cellphones, we don't know what they're doing when nobody is taking pictures of them.

 

[redrosesix]

Well, that's not good...

http://omg.yahoo.com/news/jon-and-kate-show-booed-at-awards-show/29484

QUOTE:

Jon and Kate Show Booed at Awards ShowUs Magazine - 5 minutes ago

Jon and Kate Gosselin's TLC reality show bites - according to the audience at the Fox Reality Channel's Reality Awards in Los Angeles Tuesday.

The June 23 episode - which featured the couple announcing they were separating after 10 years of marriage - was up for Best Reality OMG Moment. When it was announced, the crowd booed.

The future of the TLC show - which was recently renamed Kate Plus 8 - remains up in the air.

Direct filming of the children has been suspended, as Jon has refused to let his eight kids go on camera, claiming it is harmful to their health. A TLC spokesperson has said his claims are "grossly inaccurate, without merit and are clearly opportunistic."

Ratings for the show -- which first debuted on Apr. 16, 2007 -- also have dropped significantly. The fifth season premiere attracted a record 9.8 million viewers. On Sept. 21, only 1.7 million viewers tuned in.

A promo advertising next week show says: "With only a limited number of episodes remaining, Jon and Kate spend quality time with those who matter."

Meanwhile, Jon and Kate's personal lives continue to get more dramatic.

On Tuesday, a Pennsylvania judge ordered Jon to return $180,000 to a bank account he shares with Kate by Oct. 26 or he will face potential contempt charges.

True -- not good, especially coming from (I'm assuming) an audience of their peers in reality shows and reality show fans.

 

[daughtersrus]

WOW! I feel like I've missed so much in the last few hours. Real life pulled me away from the computer and this thread.


I have a couple of questions. Does anyone know how much money Kate is saying that Jon took? I've seen reports referring to her own lawyers with different amounts. One says $230,000, another says $232,000, another says $235,000, another says $200,000... While $35,000 may not seem like a lot in comparison to the total, I would think that they would know exactly to the penny how much is missing.

My second question is about the children. The children are not being paid anything by TLC, just Jon and Kate are. Correct? I think that I read something where Jon said that 80% of what they (J&K) were paid was being set aside for the children. I think that someone here said that Kate has control over these accounts and that the money can be withdrawn at any time. If all of this is accurate, I can see why Jon may have a problem with it. If he put/is putting aside a big chunk of his money from TLC into the trust funds for the children but Kate can withdraw it at any time for any reason (revocable trust), his kids could end up with nothing and Kate could end up with 90% of the money from TLC , Jon would have his 10% and the kids would have nothing.

I hope that for the sake of the children, that Jon's lawyers are smart enough to address this in the divorce.

Edited to add...Does anyone know if Beth is still a friend? I always thought Kate referred to her as a best friend but I haven't seen or heard anything about her lately. Kate referred to Jamie as her BFF.

 

[MAKmom]

For the person who commented on Jon's twitter from yesterday, did you read the comments? Yikes!

https://twerbose.com/t16648

This is what he wrote:

Today was a long day. Today the court divided my family, today I watched a mother and father lose their son. Today I watched my best friend's daughter lose her father. Today I lost a great friend!!! RIP JF. Let's remember to live everyday like it was our last.

Who knows...maybe they missed some of it due to a bathroom break or Jon's smoke breaks.



I was wondering if the bolded part was a typo because it just wasn't reading right to me - they go from talking about Jon then mention Kate...it just didn't read right to me with the next part saying that Kate would have to cough up cash. I have to admit though that I'm with the rest who are really confused at this point!

"Mr. Gosselin must repay this sum on or before Oct. 26," Kate's attorney, Mark Momjian, said in a statement to E! News. "If he fails to do so, he must appear before the court for contempt proceedings.

"The remaining sum of $55,000, which Ms. Gosselin used for household bills and expenses relating to the children, will be subject to further determination by the arbitrator at a later date."

But Kate might also have to cough up some cash...

In response to Jon's allegations that Kate has not been forthright about her own checkbook—suppposedly appropriating family-earmarked money and hiding proceeds from book sales—she has also been ordered to provide an accounting by the next hearing on Oct. 26.

http://ca.eonline.com/uberblog/b148735_kate_gosselin_banks_big_bucks_jon_loses.html



Didn't Kate say on the Today show that she's the one who set up the accounts? I'm guessing if that was done after the divorce and Kate believed she couldn't trust Jon and he was making irratic purchases as she claimed on the Today show (I think that's the right interview), she wouldn't be giving him access to the kid's trust funds....



I thought the agreement was that they could both withdraw money but had to have the other's consent before doing so - that would (I would think) give Jon money for his living expenses. I think Jon said his rent was $5,000/month on LKL.



I don't think Jon only rented the apartment for his days - I'm guessing he rents it and pays a monthly rent. It would be hard to rent to someone else on the days Jon isn't using it...


I did not mean it that way. The poster I responded to said Jon moved out & needed the money to live in NYC. I'm saying Kate needs money too because she "moves out" on his custody day too. I thought they has a 50/50 split as of now. BTW I hate the arrangement


I thought she said (I remember most recently on the Today Show when she said she took the money initially because she couldn't trust him) that it was because he was making "irratic purchases" - that might be part of the reason. I'd think if anyones spouse was spending their money left and right and the other spouse couldn't convince them to stop or come to an agreement that they'd get divorced. I'm also guessing that all the allegations with the different girls didn't help all too much either.



That will be interesting to see! If he's really spent it, does he need to proove what he's spent it on (sorry Mady and Cara - the birthday gifts have to go back. Mommy wants her money back now) and only return the difference or was that the point of the meeting yesterday - now they've determined that the $180,000 should just be hanging around somewhere?

Thats the amount he should not have touch he can keep the rest IMO



At $15,000/month, giving Jon the benefit of the doubt that he was responsible with it:

$7500 to the joint account for monthly expenses
$5000 monthly rent

That leaves him $2500 each month to pay for two vehicles, gas, vehicle insurance, utilities, groceries and anything else he does. That's not taking into account any other income or anything that Jon has. And, I have no idea who's paying those bills - if they go to Jon or to Kate or how that all works out.



Are you kidding me - how much can you smoke in an hour???? Really - you can't wait an hour when it's something like this????

What is the $15,000 a month? Was that his allowence?

 

[newtodis]

Well, that's not good...

http://omg.yahoo.com/news/jon-and-kate-show-booed-at-awards-show/29484

QUOTE:

Jon and Kate Show Booed at Awards ShowUs Magazine - 5 minutes ago

Jon and Kate Gosselin's TLC reality show bites - according to the audience at the Fox Reality Channel's Reality Awards in Los Angeles Tuesday.

The June 23 episode - which featured the couple announcing they were separating after 10 years of marriage - was up for Best Reality OMG Moment. When it was announced, the crowd booed.

The future of the TLC show - which was recently renamed Kate Plus 8 - remains up in the air.

Direct filming of the children has been suspended, as Jon has refused to let his eight kids go on camera, claiming it is harmful to their health. A TLC spokesperson has said his claims are "grossly inaccurate, without merit and are clearly opportunistic."

Ratings for the show -- which first debuted on Apr. 16, 2007 -- also have dropped significantly. The fifth season premiere attracted a record 9.8 million viewers. On Sept. 21, only 1.7 million viewers tuned in.

A promo advertising next week show says: "With only a limited number of episodes remaining, Jon and Kate spend quality time with those who matter."

Meanwhile, Jon and Kate's personal lives continue to get more dramatic.

On Tuesday, a Pennsylvania judge ordered Jon to return $180,000 to a bank account he shares with Kate by Oct. 26 or he will face potential contempt charges.

Do we know if they were booing J&K, the show or the episode that was chosen? I'm not familiar with these awards so I guess I don't know how to take the boos.

 

[newtodis]

Here's another blog from Z on TV:

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/entertainment/zontv/2009/10/jon_kate_lying_liars_who_lie_o.html

 

[MAKmom]

Who ever had those photographs would be able to cash in for a lot of money. I'm thinking if someone had them, they would have surfaced. It's always my brother's girlfriend's cousin's mom's sister in law that has this type of info...never the one telling about it, who could actually choose to show them.

Uh..so this person claims Kate is a lesbian and having an affair with her? Or is Kate's new sitter a guy? Or are you joking and I look foolish for not getting it?

I don't even care that Jon had them (if he did) once they separated..I do care how he has strutted himself for his kids to see on the magazines, with other woman.

Kate can't be a lesbian her shoes are too nice

Before anyone gets their panties in a wad my kids torture me because I wear Birkenstocks. They tell me they are lesbian shoes. I don't care.

 

[newtodis]

This is the first picture I've seen of Kate at the courthouse:

http://www.philly.com/inquirer/magazine/20091014_Sideshow__Jon__Kate__many_pieces_of_eight.html