Jon and Kate Plus 8, Official Thread--Part 7

[barkley]

ITA with all of this...especially about the drycleaning

The question I always have in the back of my mind is what would they have done if, god forbid, one of them or one of the children became ill or had an accident and they could no longer do the show? Or what if the ratings had simply fallen to the point where it was no longer profitable for TLC to do the show because it lost its sponsors -- I'm quite sure that no TV network would guarantee to air a specific number of shows. Just saying, there are many reasons the show might have stopped, and why would they not be prepared for that?

exactly-and i'm willing to bet that no matter weather episodes were aired or not the contract reads that they would be paid a certain pre-set amount (lots of shows tank after an initial airing or two-does'nt mean the compensated participants don't get paid for what's already been done even if it just get's shelved).

they bought that house after lending practices tightened up-i can't believe that unless they had some well documented proof of CONTINUING income to make that mortgage payment along with their existing mortgage and other financial obligations any lender would have floated them the loan. i mean here's a woman who has'nt been employed in several years married to a man with at best a very spotty employment record. to listen to them during the early years of the show they were not in great financial shape and had to rely on the kindness of the public to support their children. i can't see any lender giving much credence to 'love offerings' as the basis for their income should the show end.

nope-there other sources of income there that neither seem to consider that the public realizes exits. do we believe they made nothing off either book? do we believe that kate is no longer getting her $25,000 speaking fees? do we believe jon will receive nothing for the appearance he makes? i don't think so.

if and when i ever see that they've had to let all the hired childcare providers go, kate no longer has her high dollar body guard, jon's not buying pricey gifts for the kids (and if you're so financialy strapped why do you buy a recreational vehical for a child that will cost you to insure????), they've sold off/returned the extra vehicals, at least one of the properties has been sold or re-po'd by the bank (or to save money they share it for their personal housing during their non custodial time), no more private trainers, tanning salons, spa visits-AND CERTAINLY NO thought to purchasig jewlery-then, i might see them as making at least a minor attempt at curbing their spending habits. i still would not perceive them as being in any manner of financial peril (not with at bare bones $75,000 for just those 3 days kate has lined up between now and next spring and not with 8 children still enrolled in private school-it might be the last thing you'de be trying to save in your budget, but when it comes down to clothing and feeding and housing your kids, there are thousands upon thousands of parents who have recently had to make this sacrifice in favor of meeting their CHILDREN'S basic needs).

 

[mousey]

ITA with all of this...especially about the drycleaning

The question I always have in the back of my mind is what would they have done if, god forbid, one of them or one of the children became ill or had an accident and they could no longer do the show? Or what if the ratings had simply fallen to the point where it was no longer profitable for TLC to do the show because it lost its sponsors -- I'm quite sure that no TV network would guarantee to air a specific number of shows. Just saying, there are many reasons the show might have stopped, and why would they not be prepared for that?

ITA! I often wondered what would happen if J or K or one of the kids became ill or had an accident and couldn't do the show--especially if it was J or K what would become of the show. I don't know how loyal TLC is to this family, but I think its all about the ratings and low ratings don't look good to sponsors. If the sponsors aren't happy I would say TLC isn't either.

The only ones who are going to benefit from this divorce are the lawyers.

 

[mousey]

exactly-and i'm willing to bet that no matter weather episodes were aired or not the contract reads that they would be paid a certain pre-set amount (lots of shows tank after an initial airing or two-does'nt mean the compensated participants don't get paid for what's already been done even if it just get's shelved).

they bought that house after lending practices tightened up-i can't believe that unless they had some well documented proof of CONTINUING income to make that mortgage payment along with their existing mortgage and other financial obligations any lender would have floated them the loan. i mean here's a woman who has'nt been employed in several years married to a man with at best a very spotty employment record. to listen to them during the early years of the show they were not in great financial shape and had to rely on the kindness of the public to support their children. i can't see any lender giving much credence to 'love offerings' as the basis for their income should the show end.

nope-there other sources of income there that neither seem to consider that the public realizes exits. do we believe they made nothing off either book? do we believe that kate is no longer getting her $25,000 speaking fees? do we believe jon will receive nothing for the appearance he makes? i don't think so.

if and when i ever see that they've had to let all the hired childcare providers go, kate no longer has her high dollar body guard, jon's not buying pricey gifts for the kids (and if you're so financialy strapped why do you buy a recreational vehical for a child that will cost you to insure????), they've sold off/returned the extra vehicals, at least one of the properties has been sold or re-po'd by the bank (or to save money they share it for their personal housing during their non custodial time), no more private trainers, tanning salons, spa visits-AND CERTAINLY NO thought to purchasig jewlery-then, i might see them as making at least a minor attempt at curbing their spending habits. i still would not perceive them as being in any manner of financial peril (not with at bare bones $75,000 for just those 3 days kate has lined up between now and next spring and not with 8 children still enrolled in private school-it might be the last thing you'de be trying to save in your budget, but when it comes down to clothing and feeding and housing your kids, there are thousands upon thousands of parents who have recently had to make this sacrifice in favor of meeting their CHILDREN'S basic needs).

I totally agree!!! Kate could get rid of her fancy suv and drive the family van since that's the only vehicle large enough to cart the kids around. Jon should get rid of his fancy cars and get some kind of hybrid like a prius (even though it would be beneath him) since he has to make the trek from NYC each week. Look at the money they would save plus insurance.

 

[barkley]

o.k.-now, am i the only one who noticed this or wonders about it?


table for 12 was supposed to be airing it's new season the last week of sept/first week of oct. but when the poop hits the fan that week with the gosselins and jon starts making nasty statements about tlc not caring about the best interests of the kids and there being issues with the contract and violations of child labor laws, all of a suddent *POOF* table for 12 is a no show. also telling is that the tlc website no longer shows an airing date for the new season and despite their message board mod's habit of answering poster's questions about air/new season release dates on their shows-2 separate threads asking when the show will return, despite hundreds upon hundreds of views have gone unanswered (not even a 'coming back soon, keep an eye out' blurb).

i have to wonder if there is'nt some validity to jon's contract/child labor claims that now has tlc scrambling to make sure some of their other shows have'nt been improper. while little people big world begins it's season this week it realy is'nt currently in the same category as j&k or t412, being as the youngest rolloff kid turns 13 in a few months.


got me wondering.

 

[DMRick]

They also have hand-me-downs from the twins that could be used for the little girls.

The Duggers also proudly shop at resale stores. Somehow I don't see Kate stepping into one anytime soon.

The Duggars may be very thrifty, and most may like them, but they too, should be sharing the wealth with their children, and the money the kids are earning for them (because they too wouldn't be on TV if not for their children) should also be handled by someone other than them. I doubt they would be on a TV reality show if it wasn't for the $$$.

 

[3prettyprincesses]

o.k.-now, am i the only one who noticed this or wonders about it?


table for 12 was supposed to be airing it's new season the last week of sept/first week of oct. but when the poop hits the fan that week with the gosselins and jon starts making nasty statements about tlc not caring about the best interests of the kids and there being issues with the contract and violations of child labor laws, all of a suddent *POOF* table for 12 is a no show. also telling is that the tlc website no longer shows an airing date for the new season and despite their message board mod's habit of answering poster's questions about air/new season release dates on their shows-2 separate threads asking when the show will return, despite hundreds upon hundreds of views have gone unanswered (not even a 'coming back soon, keep an eye out' blurb).

i have to wonder if there is'nt some validity to jon's contract/child labor claims that now has tlc scrambling to make sure some of their other shows have'nt been improper. while little people big world begins it's season this week it realy is'nt currently in the same category as j&k or t412, being as the youngest rolloff kid turns 13 in a few months.

got me wondering.

Very interesting thought. Hmmmm, I completely forgot about the Table for 12 family. Maybe they looked at the Gosselins and said no way do we want to end up like THAT! Or maybe it is TLC going back to file permits or check labor laws. Where does that family live?

I'm thinking TLC must be guilty to some degree here. Especially if what Jon claims is true about the property permits and child labor. Maybe it's TLC mode of operation to approach these families and present them with an incredibly detailed and difficult to understand contract. Then the families sign, not knowing any better and TLC owns them. If TLC were really in the clear, they'd be singing it from the rooftops I imagine.

 

[redrosesix]

I find it interesting that Jon/his lawyer made the paperwork public, without "leaking" it through a source to the tabloid media. I also think it's interesting that they filed the paperwork nearly 4 days ago, and we're just hearing about it because Jon's lawyer made it public.

I watched (against my better judgment ) Kate's interview on The Today Show. She claims to have records for all the monies. If so, why haven't they been filed with the arbitrator, and is that a big deal?

I swore I was done with this whole mess, too. Crap. I'm sucked right back in.

It would only be a big deal if Jon petitioned the arbitrator to hold Kate in contempt for not supplying this information -- it is obvious from reading his response/counter-claim that she had not done so by Aug. 12th even though it had been stipulated on July 10th. His response/counter-claim does make this request, however it is likely that she will be given time to comply in order to avoid this charge if she is not prepared to do on or by the day of the meeting with the arbitrator.

I took some time to compare Kate's petition and Jon's response/counter-claim. Other than the issue of Kate supplying banking information, most of it is a tit-for-tat type of petition eg. Kate demanded that Jon provide details of spending for the prior 60 days, Jon now demands that Kate do the same.

The only item of any real significance is that Jon's petition states that based on list of banking transactions contained in Kate's petition, she removed more than $100,000 from the bank account in question during the period of Aug. 10th through Sept. 29th ie. he is saying that the transactions listed in the email from the bank are not all his. Somebody has made a serious error in their addition here -- I find it hard to believe that Jon's lawyers would make this claim if there wasn't evidence to back it up. But I also find it just as hard to believe that Kate would -- did her lawyers count on Jon not making the results of the meeting with the arbitrator public (as happened with previous meetings with the arbitrator)?

If all of the claims in Jon's response/counter-claim are correct, even if he withdrew some money without her permission, her withdrawals between July 10th and now are far more than his. It is interesting to note that her lawyers' petition specifies only the period between Aug. 10th and Sept. 29th -- I would take that to mean that Jon made no withdrawals before Aug. 10th otherwise they would have been included too.

The missing $60,000 that Jon claims in his response/counter-claim could easily be explained by bill payments during that time, since the email from the bank lists only withdrawals and no other transactions, including deposits.

 

[3prettyprincesses]

The Duggars may be very thrifty, and most may like them, but they too, should be sharing the wealth with their children, and the money the kids are earning for them (because they too wouldn't be on TV if not for their children) should also be handled by someone other than them. I doubt they would be on a TV reality show if it wasn't for the $$$.

Yes the Duggars are very thrifty. I agree too that $ from the show should be put away for their kids. I'd bet they are doing that since they already have said they have 'seed' money for their kids if they want to start businesses when they're older, etc.

I think a big reason they're doing the show isn't financial at all. They most likely see it as a ministry opportunity to share their faith and show people that large families can thrive in harmony.

 

[DMRick]

o.k.-now, am i the only one who noticed this or wonders about it?
all of a suddent *POOF* table for 12 is a no show.

[clip] i have to wonder if there is'nt some validity to jon's contract/child labor claims that now has tlc scrambling to make sure some of their other shows have'nt been improper. while little people big world begins it's season this week it realy is'nt currently in the same category as j&k or t412, being as the youngest rolloff kid turns 13 in a few months.


got me wondering.

At one time someone posted their ratings and they were very low..much lower than the Rollofs. They were never in the same ratings category as Jon and Kate, if I remember right. I doubt it's because of making sure t's were crossed, but more about ratings and getting sponsors (who may be avoiding these types of shows right now).

 

[DMRick]

I think a big reason they're doing the show isn't financial at all. They most likely see it as a ministry opportunity to share their faith and show people that large families can thrive in harmony.

I don't buy that at all. I know lots of large Christian families and they have many ways to share their faith without having their families taped and shown on public TV. If people think J & K's kids deserve privacy, the same should be said for these poor kids, who have their lives shared as well. We only see what TLC wants us to see, and it's something we all should keep remembering. Those kids may not want to be taped, but mom and dad may tell them it's their rules to be taped and that's that.
As soon as they announce all the profits are being giving to the poor, because they don't want to make money off their children, I'll buy they aren't in it for the money.
I happen to like them, but don't see them far from J & K, since they too share the private lives of their children. As in many Christian families, I doubt their kids feel they can go against what their parents wishes..which is to tape this show.

 

[MAKmom]

Yes the Duggars are very thrifty. I agree too that $ from the show should be put away for their kids. I'd bet they are doing that since they already have said they have 'seed' money for their kids if they want to start businesses when they're older, etc.

I think a big reason they're doing the show isn't financial at all. They most likely see it as a ministry opportunity to share their faith and show people that large families can thrive in harmony.

They also got tons of freebies by doing the show. All the furniture & decorations were a freebie. I think the second kitchen in the mainroom was also part of that make-over.

They need the money that house would still be under construction at the rate Jim Bob was working if TLC did not step in & help this family. Did you see how they were living in the rental house it was gross.

 

[mousey]

Whatever happened to that family with the tups from I believe Arizona--the mother was a physcian assistant and the father was pharmacy rep.? I remember reading about them but I don't remember if the show ever aired and on what network??

The upcoming episode of the Duggers is suppose to be the birth of the grandchild. That should draw some viewers. I also think they are in it for their faith and not for the money. I saw Michelle Dugger on Say yes to the dress and she didn't even want the bridal salesgirl in the room with her due to privacy. They are pretty private people--I'm surprised they actually do a show.

I wouldn't doubt if TLC wasn't following child labor laws and with Jon pursuing it, they aren't taking any chances.

 

[redrosesix]

o.k.-now, am i the only one who noticed this or wonders about it?


table for 12 was supposed to be airing it's new season the last week of sept/first week of oct. but when the poop hits the fan that week with the gosselins and jon starts making nasty statements about tlc not caring about the best interests of the kids and there being issues with the contract and violations of child labor laws, all of a suddent *POOF* table for 12 is a no show. also telling is that the tlc website no longer shows an airing date for the new season and despite their message board mod's habit of answering poster's questions about air/new season release dates on their shows-2 separate threads asking when the show will return, despite hundreds upon hundreds of views have gone unanswered (not even a 'coming back soon, keep an eye out' blurb).

i have to wonder if there is'nt some validity to jon's contract/child labor claims that now has tlc scrambling to make sure some of their other shows have'nt been improper. while little people big world begins it's season this week it realy is'nt currently in the same category as j&k or t412, being as the youngest rolloff kid turns 13 in a few months.


got me wondering.

excellent points

Very interesting thought. Hmmmm, I completely forgot about the Table for 12 family. Maybe they looked at the Gosselins and said no way do we want to end up like THAT! Or maybe it is TLC going back to file permits or check labor laws. Where does that family live?

I'm thinking TLC must be guilty to some degree here. Especially if what Jon claims is true about the property permits and child labor. Maybe it's TLC mode of operation to approach these families and present them with an incredibly detailed and difficult to understand contract. Then the families sign, not knowing any better and TLC owns them. If TLC were really in the clear, they'd be singing it from the rooftops I imagine.

I think the whole issue of a gag order being placed on the parents of these reality show kids bothers me the most. I know that most TV shows probably contain clauses that require their cast to provide PR services eg. interviews, public engagements, to promote the show. However, there have been many actors who have talked about working conditions, disagreements on salary, etc without being subject to breach of contract. Similarly, musicians/singers have been able to complain about their record labels with impunity.

Who was it who said that if J&K+8 was being filmed in CA, they wouldn't have even been able to do the show because of the regulations? I think it was one of the child actors' groups. It seems like TLC has been flying under the radar with this show, but the fact that the PA Dept. of Labour has yet to complete its report has got to be worrying them.

 

[daughtersrus]

Does anyone know if the Duggar, Roloff or the Hayes families got the same perks from TLC (lawn service, cleaning, laundry, chef, clothing,trips...) as the Gosselins?

 

[kidshop]

I don't think they get money from reruns. Your right, they are not actors so the union rules don't apply. For 10 people doing the show their pay of 22,000 an episode is low. Some of the girls on the show the "Hills" are paid 100-125,000 an episode (for one person). They said Nene from the Housewives of Atlanta is paid 30,000 per episode.

I think the 22,500 was for last year. Likely, this year they made more per episode. I don't know if they are paid when they are made or when they air.

Kate had several speaking engagements in Aug/Sept at all the Women's shows, so she made some money there.

In Jon's court documents it doesn't mention the 100,000 withdrawal on Aug 10. Interesting. It doesn't make sense that Kate wouldn't notice THAT until Oct 2, but Jon doesn't accuse her of taking it.

 

[happygirl]

A little off topic will the Roloffs be back?

 

[MAKmom]

excellent points



I think the whole issue of a gag order being placed on the parents of these reality show kids bothers me the most. I know that most TV shows probably contain clauses that require their cast to provide PR services eg. interviews, public engagements, to promote the show. However, there have been many actors who have talked about working conditions, disagreements on salary, etc without being subject to breach of contract. Similarly, musicians/singers have been able to complain about their record labels with impunity.

Who was it who said that if J&K+8 was being filmed in CA, they wouldn't have even been able to do the show because of the regulations? I think it was one of the child actors' groups. It seems like TLC has been flying under the radar with this show, but the fact that the PA Dept. of Labour has yet to complete its report has got to be worrying them.

Nothing happens quickly in PAThe wheels of justice move very slow.

 

[kidshop]

I don't buy that at all. I know lots of large Christian families and they have many ways to share their faith without having their families taped and shown on public TV. If people think J & K's kids deserve privacy, the same should be said for these poor kids, who have their lives shared as well. We only see what TLC wants us to see, and it's something we all should keep remembering. Those kids may not want to be taped, but mom and dad may tell them it's their rules to be taped and that's that.
As soon as they announce all the profits are being giving to the poor, because they don't want to make money off their children, I'll buy they aren't in it for the money.
I happen to like them, but don't see them far from J & K, since they too share the private lives of their children. As in many Christian families, I doubt their kids feel they can go against what their parents wishes..which is to tape this show.

I'm all for regulation of children in reality shows. I think they need guardians and someone to oversee their financials.

Do the Duggar parents berate and demean each other on the show? Which kid is the bratty one? Would these kids sob and wail if the camera's went away tomorrow? Do they have a life w/o the show? Can the parents pay the bills if the show stops?

That is your definition of exploitation.

Welcome back!

 

[barkley]

Very interesting thought. Hmmmm, I completely forgot about the Table for 12 family. Maybe they looked at the Gosselins and said no way do we want to end up like THAT! Or maybe it is TLC going back to file permits or check labor laws. Where does that family live?

I'm thinking TLC must be guilty to some degree here. Especially if what Jon claims is true about the property permits and child labor. Maybe it's TLC mode of operation to approach these families and present them with an incredibly detailed and difficult to understand contract. Then the families sign, not knowing any better and TLC owns them. If TLC were really in the clear, they'd be singing it from the rooftops I imagine.

the hayes family lives in new jersey. i hopped over to the jersey child labor law web site and BOY they have some restrictions for kids in filming. you have to get certain types of permits and approvals and then filming is limited in days/hours AND depending on weather the child is in school on a filming day (can't exceed i believe 8 hours total of school time and filming time combined in a single day-so any kid who attends full day school would pretty much be ineligible to film that day).

 

[3prettyprincesses]

I don't buy that at all. I know lots of large Christian families and they have many ways to share their faith without having their families taped and shown on public TV. If people think J & K's kids deserve privacy, the same should be said for these poor kids, who have their lives shared as well. We only see what TLC wants us to see, and it's something we all should keep remembering. Those kids may not want to be taped, but mom and dad may tell them it's their rules to be taped and that's that.
As soon as they announce all the profits are being giving to the poor, because they don't want to make money off their children, I'll buy they aren't in it for the money.
I happen to like them, but don't see them far from J & K, since they too share the private lives of their children. As in many Christian families, I doubt their kids feel they can go against what their parents wishes..which is to tape this show.

Doris, I'm not saying it's the only reason they're doing the show. But I do think they see it as a ministry and that is a large part of it. Doesn't mean that makes it right. I don't think all those kids need to be on TV either, it certainly doesn't gel with what the Duggars even believe. They don't let their kids watch much TV at all and try to safeguard them yet they put them on TV for all the world to see and criticize. Don't get me wrong, I like the Duggars but I liked them more when they just did an update here and there, not a weekly show. Michelle has already said she's surprised at how much filming it takes to get a show's worth of footage. So, yes I think they may be on a similar path as J&K (not the divorcing) if they're not careful.