Jon and Kate Plus 8 Official Thread - Part 6

[djm99]

Okay you guys, I have been so busy today and am having a really hard time keeping up.

Did you say that Jon read Kate's e-mail about the birthday arrangements to the PAPARAZZI??? Do you mean like the paparazzi that follows him around? Why would he do this?

I think Jon feels like he is getting a hard time in the press. Kate is being painted as this Mother who would always put her kids first, and Jon puts himself first. As a fan of the show, I didn’t see that ONE time. Every episode I saw, Jon looked pitiful. He was passage and Kate controlled EVERY MOVE that man made. I will be the first to admit that his choice of Kate's surgeon’s daughter is disgusting - I believe strongly that Kate did not want to be in a marriage with Jon and that Dr. Phil counseling session proves it.

She is 'winning' this PR war. She appears calm and collected while Jon is just running off every thought that jumps in his head. I believe strongly that she is embellishing many details and in some instances flat out lying (ie: Jon’s bank account). I believe either Kate or her people keep putting rumors out there, and Jon feels like he has to defend himself. I'm sorry, I don't agree with a couple of moves Jon has made, but Kate is use to being in CONTROL of Jon and his erratic moves are driving her nuts.

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

Okay you guys, I have been so busy today and am having a really hard time keeping up.

Did you say that Jon read Kate's e-mail about the birthday arrangements to the PAPARAZZI??? Do you mean like the paparazzi that follows him around? Why would he do this?

To put it bluntly, Jon doesn't know how to shut up and he likes the attention. You can see it for yourself here:

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusiv...ant-see-him-will-only-allow-him-two-hours-his

Many can claim Jon is selfish for stopping the show, but the show shouldn't have started production this season. I was a fan of the show, and I could see this separation/divorce coming many years ago (particularly that Christmas Shopping episode - Jon should have left THAT day). I've seen Jon as being caged for a long time. IMO, he shouldn't have left his job. I'm surprised their marriage lasted 3 years after he left. He had no solace. Even Kate found solace (a life) in writing books and going on tour. Jon was like a caged Lion. Once he was let go (from under Kate's control) - he acted like a wild, hungry animal.

And before someone jumps down on me for the 'solace' comment. EVERY parent needs a life outside of their kids. As a once SAHM of two, I can't imagine my entire life was my kids. I do believe Jon when he did that interview about him not being able to just hang out with friends and discouraged against visiting his family.

Last thing, for those that are old time fans, do you remember Jon's 30th Birthday episode when Kate surprised him with a trip to Key West Florida (the whole Key Lime Pie Dinner thing). I remember Kate specifically saying that THEY (Jon & Kate) needed that kind of break FOR THEIR MARRIAGE. What happen to that? I wouldn’t be surprised to learn they haven’t done that since his birthday. If they spent quarter the time trying to be husband and wife as they did being mom and dad maybe this mess wouldn’t be happening.

IMO, people forget that marriage takes work.

Welcome back to the thread

I agree with your post, big problems had to start when Jon quit his job. They had too much time together and as you put it, he had no escape. And everyone needs an escape for sure.

I do remember that episode, Kate was so excited about surprising Jon and making him happy.

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

Okay, I just saw the TMZ video of him whipping out his blackberry and reading Kate's e-mail to the paparazzi OUT ON THE STREET. What a total loser.

So this is what Kate gets for communicating with him directly rather than through attorneys, (which is what Jon said he wanted on Larry King) -- she has her private e-mail read verbatim, (leaving out the parts that make her look good of course), to the paparazzi on the street.

Jon needs to shut up. Kate needs to shut up. These two need to stop talking to reporters, paparazzi, etc. NOW. No, I mean YESTERDAY. Why are they DOING this? Is it that hard to keep your lip zipped? Especially about extremely personal matters?

 

[brittsmum1998]

ITA! Did anyone see this?

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/10/exclusive-part-kates-email-jon-gosselin-didnt-read

According to that article, Jon didn't read to the paps the part where Kate offered extra time (her time) during the weekend. It would be a miracle if these two don't fight or if the kids don't feel the tension if Jon and Kate are together. JMO, but I think Jon is too concerned about "never giving in to Kate again" to see that she may have a valid point.

How come that PDA doesn't show the extra time offered. I would believe it more if the PDA showed Kate offering the extra time .

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

How come that PDA doesn't show the extra time offered. I would believe it more if the PDA showed Kate offering the extra time .

It may not be true. However, Jon did pull away when the paps with the video camera tried to zoom in and film his phone.

 

[Nancy]

I don't think it is the same. Under the terms of the custody agreement, birthdays and holidays are shared joint custody days. So they both have a right to be there for the whole day -- whether they both have a right to be at the house overnight might be open to interpretation, but they still have an apartment over the garage so it's not as if they have to sleep in the same bedroom. It would be nice for the kids if they were able to do this for them -- Christmas is less than 3 months away and it would be great if they could wake up Christmas day with both parents there.

I don't know of too many separated/divorced parents that are together on birthdays and holidays. I work with a lot of singe parents and the kids never spend a whole day with both parents. One woman has the holidays one year and her husband gets them the next. And if a holiday falls on the wrong persons weekend custody day it is too bad...they still go to whoever has the holiday that year.

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Jon and Kate Battle Over Twins' Birthday

By Michael Y. Park
Originally posted Wednesday October 07, 2009 03:30 PM EDT

Jon and Kate Gosselin

Amid all the drama surrounding her crumbling marriage, Kate Gosselin has had one bright spot on the horizon. "Thursday is Cara and Mady’s 9th birthday," Kate, 34, tells PEOPLE, referring to her twins. "That's my focus to get me through the next few days. I'm going to bake a chocolate cake from scratch, and that's going to feel normal and happy."

Now, however, Kate's dreams of a happy birthday for her oldest children seem in doubt. On Wednesday, Jon told ET Online that Kate is trying to change their joint-custody arrangement so that he is only at their Pennsylvania home from 4 p.m. to 6 p.m. on Thursday, as well as altering their agreement for the weekend – a move Jon claims his tantamount to barring him from the birthday festivities altogether.

"She's trying to prevent me from seeing my kids on Mady and Cara's birthday," he says. "That's like giving her full custody by obeying her. She can't tell me what to do. I'm not going to allow it. I'm just going to stay. I own the house so I can do what I want."

"She's trying to prevent me from seeing my kids on their birthday because she doesn't want to see me," he says. "She doesn't want to hear my apology. She doesn’t want to work things out."

More to come ...

What is the apology about now?

All I an hear is this litle song in my head "you're not the boss of me"..he sound like a child who is not getting his way

At least Kate does present herself in a civilized manner in the email:

She states according to Jon's reading:

Due to the recent events, it will be too stressful for the kids to have both of us here as originally planned. I would like to split the evening so they can see us both. I would appreciate if you would pick them up at the bus stop tomorrow at 4 and stay till 6.

She isn't demanding or hateful. I didn't think about them being in school, so really the time split would be fair considering it is a school night. And as others have said, maybe for now that would be better than watching/hearing them scowl and growl at each other.

Right, if they go to bed at 8:00...he had 2 hours and she had 2 hours.

ITA! Did anyone see this?

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/10/exclusive-part-kates-email-jon-gosselin-didnt-read

According to that article, Jon didn't read to the paps the part where Kate offered extra time (her time) during the weekend. It would be a miracle if these two don't fight or if the kids don't feel the tension if Jon and Kate are together. JMO, but I think Jon is too concerned about "never giving in to Kate again" to see that she may have a valid point.

surprise, surprise!

But does it really matter if she had a motive for offering Jon extra time over the weekend? Perhaps she truly is thinking of the twins and wants them to have a nice birthday. The point is he didn't read that part to the paps and leaving out part of it is no different than lying, IMO. Given these are the facts.

Can you guys see the time on the text, does it say 5:50 am? And he just got it then as he walking hours later.

Can't say much about that...I get emails days after they are sent sometimes. My phone is sucky right now

Did anyone else just watch Jon's ET! segment? He revealed that he hears every "bad" thing Kate says about him to the children because "Mady can't keep a secret" and calls him every time it happens.

How much more dirty laundry do you need to air, Jon? I pray that neither the twins nor their friends at school watched that interview.

well, good for him...now he is ratting out his daughter to the public too.


but I figured Mady would be the one to do that...

 

[Starbrite]

How come that PDA doesn't show the extra time offered. I would believe it more if the PDA showed Kate offering the extra time .

ET showed it long enough to see that part.

 

[themilesfamily]

She is 'winning' this PR war.

She is so totally winning this PR war. I've heard about two polls recently -- one in the LA Times, the other my husband came home and told me about.

In the LA Times it was, "Is Jon being spiteful or sincere?" The results:

Jon sincerely wants to reconcile with Kate and family 15% (927 votes)

Jon is being spiteful by putting the divorce and TV show on hold 85% (5,448 votes)

The other poll was, "Would you watch a new Jon Gosselin reality show." Results were 8% yes, 92% no.

You know, I don't think he could care less if he's America's Sweetheart or not. But for the love of all that is holy, just stop talking to the media. They may chase you down, they may publish lies and I know that's frustrating -- but why constantly give them more information and more things to write about? The paparazzi are not your buds, Jon.

 

[beattyfamily]

How come that PDA doesn't show the extra time offered. I would believe it more if the PDA showed Kate offering the extra time .

On ET tonight when they were showing the PDA in bigger writing (on the TV screen) about what the email said, you could see the extra time on Saturday offered on the email....

 

[brittsmum1998]

It may not be true. However, Jon did pull away when the paps with the video camera tried to zoom in and film his phone.

That wouldn't surprise me. I didn't watch the whole video, I have the crappiest computer in the whole house and it was too slow.

 

[brittsmum1998]

ET showed it long enough to see that part.

I didn't watch ET tonite. I'm glad to hear someone showed the full email.

Did he have an explanation? Or ANYTHING regarding the extra time?

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

On ET tonight when they were showing the PDA in bigger writing (on the TV screen) about what the email said, you could see the extra time on Saturday offered on the email....

Seriously....wow. I thought upon reading the story on Radar that a still shot of that part would have been quite the story.

Like I said, omissions are the same as lying in my book. Ya think Jon will learn not to talk now?

 

[Starbrite]

I didn't watch ET tonite. I'm glad to hear someone showed the full email.

Did he have an explanation? Or ANYTHING regarding the extra time?

They didn't air the full ET interview, but if you go to ETOnline, he read the entire email out loud. Didn't really touch on the offering of extra time.

 

[amyup]

On ET tonight when they were showing the PDA in bigger writing (on the TV screen) about what the email said, you could see the extra time on Saturday offered on the email....

What a surprise Jon didn't mention that part He really needs to stay in his apartment or house and not speak to the media. His hole keeps getting bigger.

 

[3prettyprincesses]

One of the few times where Jon has my permissino to tell Kate to "bite me" and not give in to her request.

No reason both parents can't spend a birthday with the kids. It took both of them to make the kids.

I agree with this. Geez, am I the only one who remembers how controlling Kate is? Her request didn't sound like a request to me, more of a demand...'I would appreciate it if you would be at the bus stop at 4.' She wasn't asking. Sounds like typical Kate, ordering Jon around. I think old habits are hard to break. She's trying to change the plans and assumes Jon will agree. Well, wasn't it their agreement to spend holidays/b-days with the kids? Jon (as much of an idiot as I think he is) is their father and has every right to spend time with them per their arrangement. I really think Cara & Mady deserve to have both their parents on their 1st b-day since this circus started. They aren't to blame in this hot mess (love that description, who said it here?) and should be able to enjoy a normal b-day with J&K both present. I think it will mean a lot to them.

ETA: Our first Christmas after my parents divorced, they sucked it up and spent it together with my sister and I. That meant a lot to us. Granted they weren't overly-friendly but they were there together for us. Seeing them in the same place was very heart warming even though we knew they were divorced. I think Cara & Mady deserve that 100%.

 

[redrosesix]

It may not be true. However, Jon did pull away when the paps with the video camera tried to zoom in and film his phone.

Yeah, the picture is a fake. I knew it as soon as I looked at it, because I had noticed that Jon holds his blackberry like I hold mine most of the time (because I get over 100 emails a day) with his thumb on the mouse. You can see that clearly when you look at the video.

And Jon did say Kate wants to change custody so I do think he was referring to her offering to swap days with him etc. It was clear he was going to continue reading her email but they kept asking questions. So I would say the omission was accidental.

JMHO, things look completely different when you're not trying to find fault with somebody. And only TanyaLovesPooh and a couple of others seemed to question the validity of the picture.

 

[Starbrite]

In every interview, when Jon reads the beginning part "it would be too stressful for the kids to have both of us here"...he has a smirk on his face & makes a comment like "oh yeah, for the kids, right". Does he not realize how hard it really will be for them . I can't imagine sitting in a room with these 2 - let alone if I'm only 9 years old!!

 

[OhMari]

I agree with this. Geez, am I the only one who remembers how controlling Kate is? Her request didn't sound like a request to me, more of a demand...'I would appreciate it if you would be at the bus stop at 4.' She wasn't asking. Sounds like typical Kate, ordering Jon around. I think old habits are hard to break. She's trying to change the plans and assumes Jon will agree. Well, wasn't it their agreement to spend holidays/b-days with the kids? Jon (as much of an idiot as I think he is) is their father and has every right to spend time with them per their arrangement. I really think Cara & Mady deserve to have both their parents on their 1st b-day since this circus started. They aren't to blame in this hot mess (love that description, who said it here?) and should be able to enjoy a normal b-day with J&K both present. I think it will mean a lot to them.

I had friends that had divorced parents, and lots of kids wished their parents would get along and get back together. It really don't happen. I only know of one couple that put aside all their differences and think of their kids. They even go on family vacations together with their other spouses. The mom who is 30 recently had a stroke (broke her ankle, clot moved to her brain). Anyhow, both of them are nurses. When she finally got to come home, her x-husband is actually doing some nursing duties for her, to save on the expense. This is a highly unusual situation, but in the beginning it was of their divorce it wasn't pretty, and they saw the toll it took on them, and their small children. And they decided enough with the fighting. The could continue that behavior or they could set it aside and they did.

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

Her request didn't sound like a request to me, more of a demand...'I would appreciate it if you would be at the bus stop at 4.' She wasn't asking. Sounds like typical Kate, ordering Jon around.

Actually if you listen to him read the email from ET online you get a better picture. After Kate outlines her proposal, she states "please let me know if this is suitable for you." That doesn't sound demanding to me.

Okay, so I am a bit confused. On Radar, Jon is walking down the street and acts like he just gets this email this morning. How is he now talking about it on ET? Is the ET studio right around the corner from his house?

 

[redrosesix]

I agree with this. Geez, am I the only one who remembers how controlling Kate is? Her request didn't sound like a request to me, more of a demand...'I would appreciate it if you would be at the bus stop at 4.' She wasn't asking. Sounds like typical Kate, ordering Jon around. I think old habits are hard to break. She's trying to change the plans and assumes Jon will agree. Well, wasn't it their agreement to spend holidays/b-days with the kids? Jon (as much of an idiot as I think he is) is their father and has every right to spend time with them per their arrangement. I really think Cara & Mady deserve to have both their parents on their 1st b-day since this circus started. They aren't to blame in this hot mess (love that description, who said it here?) and should be able to enjoy a normal b-day with J&K both present. I think it will mean a lot to them.

ETA: Our first Christmas after my parents divorced, they sucked it up and spent it together with my sister and I. That meant a lot to us. Granted they weren't overly-friendly but they were there together for us. Seeing them in the same place was very heart warming even though we knew they were divorced. I think Cara & Mady deserve that 100%.

Great post! Great to hear from somebody who has seen this from the other side ie. as a kid. I'm a Canadian, but even I know that Jackie had Jon Jon's birthday party the day they buried President Kennedy. Parents, including Kate, have to put their kids first, for real.

And let's not forget who started this recent onslaught. Here is my version of how things should have gone on the phone:
TLC: Kate, we're going to make an announcement today that we're cutting Jon out of the show.
Kate: Um, that won't work for me. Next week is Cara and Mady's birthday and we don't want anything to ruin that.
TLC: But we've received letters from Jon and his lawyer saying he's going to make us stop filming at the house.
Kate: Well, I'll email him and make sure he knows that he can't do that until after their birthday.

Nah, that would have never happened -- but it should have.