Jon and Kate Plus 8 Official Thread - Part 6

[grumpeeduck]

I, actually, do not think the show has been bad for the kids. It probably has been a blessing because I have the feeling that it has "buffered" and "tempered"
Jon's anger/attitude/immaturity/inabilities/you name it. And that has been good for the kids. Jon's behavior is what is bad for the kids. Kate has definately had her hands full with this man.

 

[mhsjax]

I, actually, do not think the show has been bad for the kids. It probably has been a blessing because I have the feeling that it has "buffered" and "tempered"
Jon's anger/attitude/immaturity/inabilities/you name it. And that has been good for the kids. Jon's behavior is what is bad for the kids. Kate has definately had her hands full with this man.

Just as Jon has had his hands full with that woman. My husband says to me all the time that if I ever talked to him like Kate does to Jon, I would be divorced faster than I could turn around.

 

[kidshop]

Exactly what I was going to say, Dr Drew states the public trusts Kate more than Jon not that he(dr Drew) trusts Kate. Big Difference. And I am with you also on the fact that I trust neither of them, I think both of them are sneaky and just out for themselves.

I have a niece and she and her hubby have raised 9 kids on one salary and she homeschools them. Kate isn't "just a single mom" doing it all on her own. She is as full of crap as Jon is.

Yeah he does say in the form of 'the public' but wouldn't he share his opinion if it was the opposite or if the felt strongly that the kids may be exploited and/or not regulated and compensated? I don't know much about Dr Drew, but to me, he seemed to agree with the public opinion.

Nobody ever says Kate is full of crap in the media. It'd be nice to see it once or twice! they all agree she needs the show to earn money.

 

[mrsksomeday]

Don't let them run you off.

They did gang up on you for some reason....maybe you were getting too close to the truth

No one asked her to leave the thread, she got called out for some sarcastic posts is all. There was no reason to stop posting. I didn't gang up on anyone, I just asked that the snippy comments stop because I didn't want the thread to be shut down.

 

[MAKmom]

Just as Jon has had his hands full with that woman. My husband says to me all the time that if I ever talked to him like Kate does to Jon, I would be divorced faster than I could turn around.

Wow....It's a good thing you do not get out of line.

 

[MAKmom]

No one asked her to leave the thread, she got called out for some sarcastic posts is all. There was no reason to stop posting. I didn't gang up on anyone, I just asked that the snippy comments stop because I didn't want the thread to be shut down.

Comments like that always get threads shut down....ok

 

[redrosesix]

Yeah he does say in the form of 'the public' but wouldn't he share his opinion if it was the opposite or if the felt strongly that the kids may be exploited and/or not regulated and compensated? I don't know much about Dr Drew, but to me, he seemed to agree with the public opinion.

Nobody ever says Kate is full of crap in the media. It'd be nice to see it once or twice! they all agree she needs the show to earn money.

I think it was the context of the answer -- if they asked Dr. Drew for his expert opinion on how the children might be harmed by the cameras, I'm sure he'd give it explicitly. IMO, this is the difference between having a great interviewer who covers different kinds of topics (like Larry King or Barbara Walters) and an entertainment reporter like Jim Moret. I've watched his show a lot, as well as many of his interviews, and except for in the rehab (where the cameras are) he is a very private person. I can't see him saying the show would be good for the kids.

BTW, Has anybody seen any of the other interviews that Jon was doing? When were they supposed to air?

I agree about Teflon Kate -- is it just because she's a mother that people don't want to question what she says?

 

[redrosesix]

No one asked her to leave the thread, she got called out for some sarcastic posts is all. There was no reason to stop posting. I didn't gang up on anyone, I just asked that the snippy comments stop because I didn't want the thread to be shut down.

And I totally agreed with you.

IMO, name calling is not an intelligent argument. So absolutely not necessary. Maybe people get away with making statements like they did on other threads (or maybe those threads just get shut down and we never see them) but we really haven't had much trouble here with the regulars, which is why we're still here.

 

[mhsjax]

Yeah he does say in the form of 'the public' but wouldn't he share his opinion if it was the opposite or if the felt strongly that the kids may be exploited and/or not regulated and compensated? I don't know much about Dr Drew, but to me, he seemed to agree with the public opinion.

Nobody ever says Kate is full of crap in the media. It'd be nice to see it once or twice! they all agree she needs the show to earn money.

Actually I did re-read it, and yes Dr Drew does seem to say that it isn't clear that the kids are being harmed. But I still think this whole situation is bad and to me it was bad before all this other stuff started.

 

[jpaxton1118]

Wow....It's a good thing you do not get out of line.

It is not getting out of line, it is called respect for your spouse. My husband and I fight, we annoy each other at times, but if either one of us treated each other the way she treated him we would no longer be together either. You don't treat someone that you love like that. Who on this earth would want to spend the rest of their lives being beaten down. Yeah he would get his little jabs in there but she was horrible to him and I am sorry, what goes around comes around. Look around Kate it has come back to you now.

 

[redrosesix]

It is not getting out of line, it is called respect for your spouse. My husband and I fight, we annoy each other at times, but if either one of us treated each other the way she treated him we would no longer be together either. You don't treat someone that you love like that. Who on this earth would want to spend the rest of their lives being beaten down. Yeah he would get his little jabs in there but she was horrible to him and I am sorry, what goes around comes around. Look around Kate it has come back to you now.

ITA, and I have to add that shaming anybody in public is totally disrespectful (and that is exactly what she was doing by doing it in front of the cameras).

People talk about Jon's behaviour over the past 3 months, and what his kids will see when they google him -- IMO, not good, not excusable -- but they'll also get to see their mother talking to their father that way for the rest of their lives.

JMHO, but the kids don't treat each other very well either -- this is normal behaviour in their household. Kate was not modeling respectful behaviour by talking to Jon that way, and I'm sure it will come back to haunt her when they're teenagers.

 

[kidshop]

I think it was the context of the answer -- if they asked Dr. Drew for his expert opinion on how the children might be harmed by the cameras, I'm sure he'd give it explicitly. IMO, this is the difference between having a great interviewer who covers different kinds of topics (like Larry King or Barbara Walters) and an entertainment reporter like Jim Moret. I've watched his show a lot, as well as many of his interviews, and except for in the rehab (where the cameras are) he is a very private person. I can't see him saying the show would be good for the kids.

BTW, Has anybody seen any of the other interviews that Jon was doing? When were they supposed to air?

I agree about Teflon Kate -- is it just because she's a mother that people don't want to question what she says?

I'm quitting while I'm ahead! I'm back to not watching either of them on their 'take the high road' and 'everything I do is for the kids' media tour.

I haven't seen much about Jon's other interviews.

Aunt Jodi's sister blog (truth breeds hatred) has a post up. It's a good post focusing on what is really important...regulation of children acting in reality shows.

 

[MAKmom]

And I totally agreed with you.

IMO, name calling is not an intelligent argument. So absolutely not necessary. Maybe people get away with making statements like they did on other threads (or maybe those threads just get shut down and we never see them) but we really haven't had much trouble here with the regulars, which is why we're still here.

A big deal was made out of nothing. It was not name calling. She called him Jon...Big Deal. She made her post sound like he had inside information. This is not your thread. We do not have to have intelligent arguments to post. This is a dumb thread we are all cyber stalking Jon & Kate so no one should think they are any better than anyone else around here.

 

[mhsjax]

Wow....It's a good thing you do not get out of line.

Well, he doesn't get "out of line" either. He would never talk to me the way Kate talks to Jon. We have been married for 25 years and a lot of our friends are amazed that we still like to "be around" each other. It is called mutual respect. And I would never dream of treating him that way in front of anybody.

 

[redrosesix]

I'm quitting while I'm ahead! I'm back to not watching either of them on their 'take the high road' and 'everything I do is for the kids' media tour.

I haven't seen much about Jon's other interviews.

Aunt Jodi's sister blog (truth breeds hatred) has a post up. It's a good post focusing on what is really important...regulation of children acting in reality shows.

I don't think I found the right link for that blog, but I did find this (it's another interpretation of Dr. Drew's comments, with a response:
http://gosselinswithoutpity.blogspot.com/2009/10/production-halted-part-2.html

stopthemadness said...

2badsosad said...
On Larry King Live last night, Dr. Drew questioned Jon's motives to stop the filming of his children stating that he (Dr. Drew) would like to see Jon to further substantiate his claim of 'determent to the children' and give examples of how/why the continued filming is detrimentally affecting his children. I for one do not feel it is necessary for Jon to further expose his children by way of discussing their emotional and mental vulnerabilites just to appease the curiosity of Dr. Drew. As a professional in his field, Dr. Drew should be of the knowledge and experience to know that there is IN DEED an element of validity to JOn's concerns, regardless of timing, and leave it at that.

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I agree. With all the stories we hear nowadays about child actors (one of the top stories on msn homepage right now) there should be no necessity of Jon detailing why he thinks it's to the kids' detriment; it's none of Dr Drew's Frigging business what the details are - he only wants to know so he can talk about it and give his opinions as to wwhether it's valid. Just being asked if it's detrimental doesn't leave him much to say - how can he even disagree, when all he has to go on is the father saying it IS and TLC saying it is NOT? They are trying to goad him into a defensive position and he should IMO stay strong - now you finally seemed to grow a pair, Jon, don't be put in the position of having to explain yourself. They ARE your kids and the decision can be as private as you want it to be. In fact if I were he and they asked me what my reasons were I wuold simply state that I was not going to respond to those questions but would be taking the high road. The general issues of lack of privacy, stress, having to be "on" all the time- not getting paid, time apart from parents that isn't fraught, missing school or learning/ developmental opportunities, having their pain and their disintegrating family become dinner time talk for America - it's all there for people to understand, Jon doesn't need to feel he has to feed Dr Drew's nosiness. It's not about what Dr Drew thinks about the issue, it is what it is.

 

[MAKmom]

Well, he doesn't get "out of line" either. He would never talk to me the way Kate talks to Jon. We have been married for 25 years and a lot of our friends are amazed that we still like to "be around" each other. It is called mutual respect. And I would never dream of treating him that way in front of anybody.

Then why would he need to say that to you all the time? It sounded like a threat.

 

[kidshop]

I don't think I found the right link for that blog, but I did find this (it's another interpretation of Dr. Drew's comments, with a response:

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the blog:

http://truthbreedshatred.blogspot.com/

I'm afraid Jon will be expected to list out why he suddenly wants the kids off tv, I wish he would do it in court and not so much on TV. but I agree if he says enough, then it's enough, no other explanation needed.

 

[redrosesix]

Actually I did re-read it, and yes Dr Drew does seem to say that it isn't clear that the kids are being harmed. But I still think this whole situation is bad and to me it was bad before all this other stuff started.

ITA, and that is the real issue here. All week we've been blasted by PR people and tabloid press writers trying to discredit Jon, but does that make taking the kids off the show any less important or reasonable? IMO, whether people like Jon or not, he is their father and they love him. I'm sure he loves those kids too. So I'm tending not to judge his motives (since I don't know what they are) and trying to celebrate this small victory for the kids.

In the promo for the ET interview, Jon says the kids have talked to him about going to summer camp, having normal friends, having sleepovers, being able to walk to the school bus without reporters following them. This is probably true, since the twins are old enough to know that their lives are very different from other children, and who wouldn't want to do what their friends do? So, with the taping stopped, maybe they will get to do some of these things, and maybe even Kate will see that that is good for her kids. Like Jon said on LKL, he doesn't know what their lives would be like without the show.

 

[kidshop]

A big deal was made out of nothing. It was not name calling. She called him Jon...Big Deal. He made his post sound like he had inside information. This is not your thread. We do not have to have intelligent arguments to post. This is a dumb thread we are all cyber stalking Jon & Kate so no one should think they are any better than anyone else around here.

he's a she.

It's no biggie, really. I do think some fear the thread could shut down, but everyone is usually respectful in their cyber-stalking. I enjoy reading everyone's opinion and arguing mine.

 

[redrosesix]

the blog:

http://truthbreedshatred.blogspot.com/

I'm afraid Jon will be expected to list out why he suddenly wants the kids off tv, I wish he would do it in court and not so much on TV. but I agree if he says enough, then it's enough, no other explanation needed.

Thanks for the link. The writer made some great points, and here are some that really made me think:
TLC may think they own the family due to some TV contract, but TLC is not a parent of the Gosselin children.
Each strategic move leads to the next, but if the right people can use what they are given at the right time, everything can change.

It reminded me that there are only 2 people who could get the kids off the show, Kate and Jon. And I agree with you -- Jon has had his media blitz -- the rest of this should be private. If Kate wants to go on TV and go into details (with names and quotes, of course) of just how upset the children are that the taping has stopped, so be it. Jon should just be quiet about it and show that he really is trying to give them some privacy (even if that isn't why he made this move in the first place)