Jon and Kate Plus 8 Official Thread - Part 6

[DMRick]

Her insistance that everything is Jon's fault isn't believed by anyone (because that is rarely the case unless the DH is a dangerous person, and had that been the issue they would never have shared custody). Kate must recognize that her own actions contributed in some way, even if she just thinks she went too far in berating Jon on the show.

I'm really out of the loop. When did Kate insist that everything is Jon's fault? I've heard her say repeatedly that it took two to get where they are.

in the early seasons of the show she would repeatedly say that it was impossible for one person to care for the kids all alone-yet she seemed fine with leaving all but one child (and seriously is taking just one out of the mix going to make that big a difference???) with jodi on all those occasions when she and jon did their individual 'special days' with each of the kids (and kevin was'nt there on all those occasions-we only saw jodi's other kids which would seem to me to make an 'impossible' caregiving situation even more so). kate said in early seasons that jon was'nt capable of caring for the kids alone for more than an hour or so-but that seemed to be disregarded when she decided that it was financialy optimal for her to become employed such that she had to travel and be outside the home-then jon seemed to be the ideal person to be the sahp.

I have no idea if Jodi or Jon had help when the kids were left with them. We may not have seen Kevin, but that could easily have been editing. I wasn't happy when they left sick kids, but I also don't know all the circumstances.

In Jon's case I thought the kids were older when he became the SAHD. Plus, we were always saying on this board he wasn't doing it alone, that he had a babysitter, and Jon has also said they had help. That was just this past season that he was home alone with them (if he even was). I'm also betting in the earlier seasons that you mentioned she said no one could do it alone..that they felt they couldn't (yes, I know there will be someone else with 12 kids that did it alone. My grandmother did it with my moms 22 siblings). 8 young kids..shudder!

 

[DMRick]

Her cookbook is still coming out this fall? I hope there are no chicken recipes in it.

At least not barbcued LOL..What you don't like your chicken bloody?

 

[DVCisME]

Barkley, with this and your previous post you managed to clarify my thoughts for me on the contradictions between Kate's words and her actions. Thank you.

I guess it is not recent either. Your examples were great, but I was also shocked when she and Jon left all the kids (and some of them were sick) with Jodi and Kevin -- Jon's hair transplant episode. Surely a cosmetic procedure could be rescheduled if some of the kids were sick? The spin has been there for a while, and a lot of the past comments from both Kate and Jon don't hold up under scrutiny.

I especially agree with the bolded part below. Family Court Judges are very used to all this "he said, she said" stuff and good at reading between the lines. I'd think that the judge in this case will ignore all the tabloid speculations and the public statements by both Jon and Kate and want documented evidence. We probably won't ever know the details because the records will and IMO should be sealed.

Or how about when they were getting all that help when the 6 were little, but she was still able to go away for the tummy tuck .
If she wants to sell her story so hard, she should make it believable.

 

[barkley]

either kate will be up for an oscar or there's going to have to be HEAVY editing of her reactions when paula starts talking about and offering up samples of her krispie cream donut bread pudding, deep fried twinkies and new line of decadent (and decidedly not sugar free or organic) desserts for walmart

i can see the two of them working together as sucessfully as if they put michelle duggar on an episode of 'wife swap' with one of those 'toddlers and tiarras' moms

 

[DMRick]

So she shouldn't have left the kids to have the tummy tuck? Does being away from your kids mean you are not a good mom or that you don't put them first? Or does it depend on why you are away from them?

I bet she is wishing she picked a different surgeon..maybe one without a daughter.

Or how about when they were getting all that help when the 6 were little, but she was still able to go away for the tummy tuck .
If she wants to sell her story so hard, she should make it believable.

 

[redrosesix]

So many people want J&K+8 to end. Looks like Kate is trying to find something else to do to support the family so they can afford the same lifestyle they have grown accustom to. Maybe the show will only go on for this season and then be re-evaluated if she has found something else. What is Jon going to do to support the family?

I know I want the show to end but Kate doesn't. She made it very clear on The View that she needs to continue doing the show. IMO, she doesn't intend to find something else for work, she is looking for additional work with the talk show.

And I think they've always gone season by season, thus the increase in pay each year as well as the number of shows in the contract.

I know..where did all of this come from? I haven't heard Kate or Jon insinuate the other was abusive to the kids (or irresponsible to the point of being afraid to leave the kids with them). I've seen both of them spank, I've seen Jon grab a few arms to pull them along, but nothing tht CS would get involved for. And (at least here in NY) parents need to be doing some pretty stupid/awful things to have Child Services involved...especially in divorce cases when accusations fly. Other than fun stuff, my husband wasn't the main caretaker of my children. They've gotten hurt on his watch (mine too, yikes!) and he took care of them differently than I did. If we had ever divorced, I would prob have some concerns (would he ever feed them vegetables, would they ever brush their teeth on his watch, or go to bed at a reasonable time, would he remember doctor appointments, and would he remember he even had them before going out for the evening LOL?), but for the most part when the accusations fly, it's for plain old custody reasons. Family court judges aren't stupid..they have handled so many cases they understand what is going on. In J & K's case, I'm sure there is guilt on both sides, which prob ate at Kate that night she showed up , or maybe when she called or the girls called her it had all built up. But it will all be sorted out, Kate will learn her control is gone (which has to be hard for her to swallow) and Jon hopefully will grow up and look at the company he wants to keep around the kids and things will settle down.

If it's time for the show to end, I hope Kate does well co-hosting a show, and the kids are then out of the lime light.

I've always heard Kate insinuate that Jon was an irresponsible parent, even on the show (saying "your father has no sense" in front of the kids -- it was about the jackets they were to wear that day ), and in the LKL interview she did discuss that. IMO, she would not be asking for full custody, would not have said she had to file for divorce to protect her kids if she thought he was a good parent.

And stating that she believes Jon is acting like a 15 yo, or was abducted by aliens is not vouching for his parenting skills.

I'm really out of the loop. When did Kate insist that everything is Jon's fault? I've heard her say repeatedly that it took two to get where they are.



I have no idea if Jodi or Jon had help when the kids were left with them. We may not have seen Kevin, but that could easily have been editing. I wasn't happy when they left sick kids, but I also don't know all the circumstances.

In Jon's case I thought the kids were older when he became the SAHD. Plus, we were always saying on this board he wasn't doing it alone, that he had a babysitter, and Jon has also said they had help. That was just this past season that he was home alone with them (if he even was). I'm also betting in the earlier seasons that you mentioned she said no one could do it alone..that they felt they couldn't (yes, I know there will be someone else with 12 kids that did it alone. My grandmother did it with my moms 22 siblings). 8 young kids..shudder!

I wrote that pretty quickly on my blackberry -- let me clarify. Kate said the reason the marriage was over was that Jon had changed, that she didn't want to be married to him (Hello! she just remarried him a few months ago). If that's not saying it's all his fault, I don't know what is.

And I think we should add the point where Jon became the SAHD to the timeline -- I don't know when that was, but I'd be curious to know.

I don't know how much help they had when the kids were younger and the twins not yet in school, but Jon said in the Utah interview that they had somebody for 4-6 hours per day. In another statement he said that they also had sitters in for when they were taping (I think that was when he was talking about the police incident)

 

[DMRick]

LOL..you are right,. I forgot about Paula's style of cooking ..OMG that would turn into a comedy!

Off to hopefully adopt my sweet kittens..anyone in the NYS area want to adopt either buff and white or a jet black kitty?

either kate will be up for an oscar or there's going to have to be HEAVY editing of her reactions when paula starts talking about and offering up samples of her krispie cream donut bread pudding, deep fried twinkies and new line of decadent (and decidedly not sugar free or organic) desserts for walmart

i can see the two of them working together as sucessfully as if they put michelle duggar on an episode of 'wife swap' with one of those 'toddlers and tiarras' moms

 

[redrosesix]

So she shouldn't have left the kids to have the tummy tuck? Does being away from your kids mean you are not a good mom or that you don't put them first? Or does it depend on why you are away from them?

The way I read the original post was that Kate makes it sound like the kids should never be left alone in Jon's care, yet she is more than willing to do so when it is convenient for her eg. when she went away to get the tummy tuck -- not for work, not for illness, but for a completely optional cosmetic procedure.

I agree -- either the kids are safe with Jon or they're not. Kate has to decide which story she wants to go with. Maybe she just feels that the kids are better off with her, that they're not in danger with Jon, but IMO she is overplaying her hand if that's the case.

 

[barkley]

So she shouldn't have left the kids to have the tummy tuck? Does being away from your kids mean you are not a good mom or that you don't put them first? Or does it depend on why you are away from them?

I bet she is wishing she picked a different surgeon..maybe one without a daughter.

there's being away from your kids (as a mom or a dad) out of necessity and then there's being away from your kids because of desire (not nesc. desire to be away from the kids but to fulfill a personal want).

tummy tucks (and hair plugs) are elective cosmetic procedures and she had the choice of doing it when she did or not. i think it's interesting though-when she was going to be away from home due to the tummy tuck jon stayed WITH the kids. when jon went to get the hair plugs kate chose to go with him and went ahead and left despite the flu issues at home (would have been a no-brainer in our house-dh would have been canceling the appointment without a second thought).

i've known people who have gotten tummy tucks-their recovery would have made it allot more logical to have a spouse in tow (esp. if they had to travel a fair amount back home post surgicaly) vs. someone getting 'plugs'.


i think the gosselins have a different mind set as to what substantiates a "need" to be away from one's kids than most parents i know-for the most part while allot of these parents might want or enjoy leaving their kids to go on a grown up's only beach trip, dinner dates, clothing shopping excursions, spa days, cosmetic surgery appointments/recovery periods, travel to explore new career avenues and the like-i think their list of 'needs' would be limited to those times when medicaly or practicaly their kids just can't be with them (at work, at a place not safe for kids, doctors and the like for required necessary appointments/procedures).

 

[MM27]

I bet she is wishing she picked a different surgeon..maybe one without a daughter.

She didn't really pick the surgeon though, they picked her. You get what you get and you don't get upset, right?

 

[mickeywho?]

tummy tucks (and hair plugs) are elective cosmetic procedures and she had the choice of doing it when she did or not. i think it's interesting though-when she was going to be away from home due to the tummy tuck jon stayed WITH the kids. when jon went to get the hair plugs kate chose to go with him and went ahead and left despite the flu issues at home (would have been a no-brainer in our house-dh would have been canceling the appointment without a second thought).

Jon actually did go with Kate for that trip. He was there before surgery and stayed for a couple of days after to help her through the worst post-op. He then went home and Kate stayed on in the surgeon's home to recover. Kate talked about how great it was to have Jon with her and how she couldn't have coped without him. I don't know if any of the kids were ill when they did that trip?! But the next for the plugs...I would agree...sick kids (flu even!) needed at least one of them home. Jon could have taken that trip without her.

 

[mickeywho?]

http://www.tmz.com/2009/09/19/jon-gosselin-autograph-buffalo/

Jon Gosselin Won't Charge for John Hancock
Posted Sep 19th 2009 10:55AM by TMZ Staff
We're not sure who would have paid $7 for an autograph of Jon Gosselin -- but it turns out it was never even an option.

Gosselin is scheduled to appear today at Frightworld in Buffalo, NY -- and a local paper wrote that Gosselin was charging $7 for his autograph (which by our math, is about $7 more than it's worth).

But alas, it's not true. Jon's people tell us he never agreed to any such arrangement. In fact, Jon is doing the appearance as part of his efforts to launch the Jon Gosselin Children's Foundation -- which, we're assuming, helps children who have been exploited by reality television shows. Kidding. Kind of.



So Kate's taping a new pilot and Jon's at an autograph show....who's with the kids today? They seem to have this flexible open joint custody arrangement and still can't arrange their schedules so one of them is always with the kids...on a weekend day even when the kids are all home. Can't stand these people!

 

[madge]

Her cookbook is still coming out this fall?

that's the same thing I thought. I mean, it's fall. not fall for a few more days .. but for all intents and purposes, it's fall. And if they were planning for a holiday season release, they're getting down to the wire from a retail point of view.

I thought everything pointed to Zondervan putting the project on hold.

 

[mousey]

J & K are two big liars who can't get their stories straight. Kate says, if I'm gone Jon is with the kids, Jon says, if I'm gone Kate is with the kids!! Okay, so who is with the kids this weekend?? Steve?? Stephanie?? Hailey?? Jon's mom?? Another new nanny?? 22 yr old Nanny?? New girlfriend for Jon??
Another example of how can you believe anything that comes out of either of their mouths!!!

 

[madge]

She didn't really pick the surgeon though, they picked her. You get what you get and you don't get upset, right?

ok .. THAT was a good one!

 

[Buckalew11]

Jon actually did go with Kate for that trip. He was there before surgery and stayed for a couple of days after to help her through the worst post-op. He then went home and Kate stayed on in the surgeon's home to recover. Kate talked about how great it was to have Jon with her and how she couldn't have coped without him. I don't know if any of the kids were ill when they did that trip?! But the next for the plugs...I would agree...sick kids (flu even!) needed at least one of them home. Jon could have taken that trip without her.

When Jon and Kate were away for the surgery was one of the sweetest moments together on the show. Even after she came home, they were obviously in love. Later episodes, I saw that slipping away and finally resentment and anger was what I mostly saw.

that's the same thing I thought. I mean, it's fall. not fall for a few more days .. but for all intents and purposes, it's fall. And if they were planning for a holiday season release, they're getting down to the wire from a retail point of view.

I thought everything pointed to Zondervan putting the project on hold.

I thought someone asked her and she said maybe next year. I didn't think it was to come out now.
Zondervan needs to put kate on the curb IMHO. At this point, I see neither one of them displaying any type of Christian fruit. I think it would only hurt the company to proceed pushing either her or him in anyway.

LOL..you are right,. I forgot about Paula's style of cooking ..OMG that would turn into a comedy!

Off to hopefully adopt my sweet kittens..anyone in the NYS area want to adopt either buff and white or a jet black kitty?

But this show with paula is not a cooking show. I thought it was Paula's way of branching out from the cooking part. No one can eat like Paula cooks 24/7 or we wouldn't be able to fit on Dumbo. But I do fix a few of her recipes every now and then and they are wonderful! Butter and all!!!

 

[Buckalew11]

Oh and maybe Paula watched Kate pop Emeril on the arm with the spatula and LOL so she thought there's a "girl after my own heart." I thought that was a funny part of that show even though a lot of people didn't like that. Or maybe she saw it and thought, "I've always to pop him with a spatula too!" LOL

 

[redrosesix]

http://www.tmz.com/2009/09/19/jon-gosselin-autograph-buffalo/

Jon Gosselin Won't Charge for John Hancock
Posted Sep 19th 2009 10:55AM by TMZ Staff
We're not sure who would have paid $7 for an autograph of Jon Gosselin -- but it turns out it was never even an option.

Gosselin is scheduled to appear today at Frightworld in Buffalo, NY -- and a local paper wrote that Gosselin was charging $7 for his autograph (which by our math, is about $7 more than it's worth).

But alas, it's not true. Jon's people tell us he never agreed to any such arrangement. In fact, Jon is doing the appearance as part of his efforts to launch the Jon Gosselin Children's Foundation -- which, we're assuming, helps children who have been exploited by reality television shows. Kidding. Kind of.



So Kate's taping a new pilot and Jon's at an autograph show....who's with the kids today? They seem to have this flexible open joint custody arrangement and still can't arrange their schedules so one of them is always with the kids...on a weekend day even when the kids are all home. Can't stand these people!

Jon never charged for autographs -- remember he got into trouble with Kate for giving them away free (he was supposed to charge something like $20 each )

I agree about the custody arrangements -- at first they said Kate would have the kids Mon-Thurs, Jon would have them Fri-Sun. But the 3 things that Jon has actually done (the Christian Audigier trip, Wet Republic, and this one) all fell on weekends. And all of Kate's TV interviews and The View were on weekdays. So that was never going to work.

I think right now these 2 are barely communicating with each other, so when Kate changed her plans and decided to shoot the pilot this weekend, there would be no way that she would know that Jon was not available, nor would Jon know that Kate wouldn't be there. I wonder who is in charge of telling the nanny that she has to work overtime?

Maybe their custody days are planned around when they have to tape for TLC -- that wouldn't surprise me.

 

[barkley]

http://www.tmz.com/2009/09/19/jon-gosselin-autograph-buffalo/

Jon Gosselin Won't Charge for John Hancock
Posted Sep 19th 2009 10:55AM by TMZ Staff
We're not sure who would have paid $7 for an autograph of Jon Gosselin -- but it turns out it was never even an option.

Gosselin is scheduled to appear today at Frightworld in Buffalo, NY -- and a local paper wrote that Gosselin was charging $7 for his autograph (which by our math, is about $7 more than it's worth).

But alas, it's not true. Jon's people tell us he never agreed to any such arrangement. In fact, Jon is doing the appearance as part of his efforts to launch the Jon Gosselin Children's Foundation -- which, we're assuming, helps children who have been exploited by reality television shows. Kidding. Kind of.



So Kate's taping a new pilot and Jon's at an autograph show....who's with the kids today? They seem to have this flexible open joint custody arrangement and still can't arrange their schedules so one of them is always with the kids...on a weekend day even when the kids are all home. Can't stand these people!

how soon will it be before we see these kids bundled off to boarding school?

sure would seem to work with jon and kate's availability-the kids at the one across from my son's school stay 24/7, and only go on homeleave once a month (from wednesday at noon until the following sunday evening when they have to be checked back in). even then not all the kids go home, kind of understandable when the kids are international students-but the ones whose family live local or within a couple hours flight(and the school has free shuttle busses lined up when homeleave starts to take the kids to the airport, and will pick them up all day sunday-so it's not a matter of it being a hassle transportation wise).


i'de hate to see it happen, but as compared to the instability of a revolving door of babysiters, daddy girlfriends and absent parents those kids might be better off (dh went to boarding school for a couple of years not related to a parenting issue and he's one of the first to say there were kids he attended with whose whole sense of family and stability was based on the relationships they made at school with some incredibly caring and compassionate adults those kids truly viewed as the real parental figures in their lives. it's evident to this day-those staff members are regarding as primary members of those kid's close families and are the first to be called with important news, and visited on a regular basis).

 

[madge]

When Jon and Kate were away for the surgery was one of the sweetest moments together on the show. Even after she came home, they were obviously in love. Later episodes, I saw that slipping away and finally resentment and anger was what I mostly saw.

Looking back, the tummy tuck episode is one of the most telling shows ever aired.

Jon and Kate obviously loved and cared for each other. They were still clearly involved with their faith, as Jon prayed for and with Kate. They were shown to be real and genuine, and I believe it was an accurate edit of their life at that point. Two vulnerable, overwhelmed young parents.

The Kate that came home after a week away was different, though. She was physically different, with the new hairstyle .. she had a real taste of the "good life" staying with a plastic surgeon .. and it changed her. And I'm not saying it wouldn't change anyone else, because it probably would ... I'm just saying that I saw a very different Kate at the end of that show than was shown at the beginning.