Jon and Kate Plus 8 Official Thread - Part 6

[newtodis]

I thought it was interesting how the man who was briefing her and asking those questions beforehand was saying that she needed to talk--to jump in there and talk because it is so easy for a guest co-host to start watching which it seemed sort of havppened yesterday. HOWEVER, I think it would be hard to sit there with 3 other women who are talking over one another, interrupting, etc. etc. (one of the things most people hate about watching The View) and jump in while everyone is yacking. I can see how that would easily happen. And then you have Whoopi, who when she speaks thinks her is the most imprtant and the end of the discussion, Joy joking and putting in her 2 cents (0r .10 maybe) and Sherri who doesn't seem to even know what she is saying. Ugh.

newtodis, my DH tells the story of entering college as a strapping 18yo smart a$$ who upon meeting the 60+ yo security guard, mouthed off to the man and made a smart remark about being able to outrun him etc. etc. Next thing DH knew, he was pinned to the ground! He didn't even remember how he got there, LOL. The old man took him down so quickly. 25 years later, he and that ol' man still carry on a wonderful friendship! I love that story!

Completely agree with your thoughts on The View...wonder how today will be.

That's such a funny story

 

[LoveDopey]

Did anyone notice Kate was wearing Crocs?

I was flipping through the tv last nite and came across Ellen. Not sure if it was a repeat or not but she had Sharon Osborne on. She was showing Sharon pictures of celebrities in the news. At David Beckham's picture she said she could like him all over. When shown Jon and Kate's picture, Sharon grabbed the picture and flung it away saying "that's wrong, just wrong". It amused me.

 

[DVCisME]

I thought Kate was trying to make the show about herself. Everytime she made a joke or comment she looked toward the camera or audience expecting a laugh. The View is usually focused on the group of co-hosts not usually so audience based, in my opinion. Wonder if there will be any backlash for her comment about the Duggars.

 

[DMRick]

IMO, Kate won't be able to do a talk show like The View or Ellen -- it doesn't sound like she's interested in what other people have to say, and often sounds like she thinks she knows more than they do. It may not be the case, but it comes off that way. Even Martha Stewart is better at not trying to upstage her guests.

And I thought she was interested in what the others were saying..that's where I got the idea that she started 'watching' the show. I don't watch the view usually, because all those women talk over each other and no one seems to listen to the guest..so I guess if that's what Kate would do, she would fit right in LOL!

And I'm really shocked about the magazine issue. And we were worried about the kids' friends telling them what their mom said about their dad in those articles.

I hope she was just showing her the picture..aside from the mag

Well, now that they're no longer together he can run the house however he likes when it is his time. Yes, she would hate that since she was used to having everything her way even when he was there every day. But IMO, she shouldn't necessarily plan to have full custody of the kids and the house to herself just yet -- he was a SAHD so this may not be a case where the mother automatically gets the kids even if she asks for full custody. But sadly, I don't think that Kate would be willing to work with Jon to come up with ways to do things that they can both agree on ie. it's her way or the highway, probably now more than ever. IMO, they're going to spend a lot of time in court negotiating everything down to the smallest detail.

And that's why it wouldn't work for me. I couldn't stand having to come back each week and put the house back in order..or even have someone all over my kitchen. Or, even wondering if the top of my counter was used for something other than preparing food. Nope, that would not work for me LOL! I don't think either of them would be willing to work with the other to come up with ways to do things they can both agree on. I think that's why they are divorcing.
How long was Jon a sahd? I thought it was just for several months. And he has stated he didn't like it, so I wonder if that would be a case for him or against him.

 

[longstangetrip]

I don't know that they'd be able to continue to eat organic as it's very expensive especially for such a large family.

I hope they can afford anything that they want. I really can't imagine money being an object. With their reported show earnings, speaking engagements, books, etc. on top of their lack of expenses, they should be rolling in it. They were given an organic side of beef for free at least once that we saw. Food is provided by the network, at least on filming days. Not that they don't work hard for their free stuff, I'm just saying.
Most of us can't imagine not paying for trips to theme parks, Hawaii, or the beach, clothes, lessons, instruments, plastic surgery, cosmetic dentistry, dogs, entertainment, solar panels and other home improvements, private school tuition, etc. etc. etc.

 

[newtodis]

I hope they can afford anything that they want. I really can't imagine money being an object. With their reported show earnings, speaking engagements, books, etc. on top of their lack of expenses, they should be rolling in it. They were given an organic side of beef for free at least once that we saw. Food is provided by the network, at least on filming days. Not that they don't work hard for their free stuff, I'm just saying.
Most of us can't imagine not paying for trips to theme parks, Hawaii, or the beach, clothes, lessons, instruments, plastic surgery, cosmetic dentistry, dogs, entertainment, solar panels and other home improvements, private school tuition, etc. etc. etc.

We have no idea where that money went though or really how much they actually make per season or episode. It's just hard until someone squeals something about how much they're making and working and such. I'm really surprised that something hasn't leaked. TLC has some tight lipped employees.

No I can't imagine getting any of that for free - it would be wonderful and I'd be happy to give it a try though!

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/09/exclusive-jon-gosselin’s-girlfriend-meets-his-kids

Jon is by far the most selfish parent of the two, IMO. What is the point of doing this now? It is too early to be adding to the situation. More Jon being Jon I suppose.

I thought it was a cute show. I loved watching Kate and the kids with their popcorn/movie part and I loves the second part of the fishing with Jon. I think these kids are finally getting the best of their parents (and yeah, the remark that mom does the most fun stuff..that's normal too), and the parents are spending great time with the kids. These were inexpensive, at home and near home things to do with the kids, just like many said they wish they would do. You can rent a movie projector and popcorn machine for under $50 for the night and the fishing poles were pretty inexpensive ones.

We could see they both had helpers, but even with that, at the end of 4 full days of activities, I'm sure it was tiring.
I did notice Kate said when she first got back, she spent time putting the house in order..I wonder how much pizza flour was all over the kitchen LOL!

I can't see this working for a long time. I know this isn't popular (deciding the mom gets to live in the house), but I wonder how long before Jon buys a house close by, and sees the kids on weekends like most other divorced couples. I just wouldn't be able to live like this comfortably..in and out, sharing a house with a man I don't even much like (and vice versa). I say Kate gets to live in the house, because I think Jon wants to live in NY, and Kate wants to live with the kids. I could be wrong, but that's just what I think.

I also wonder how long Mady was with her grandmother, rather than her dad.

Not asking anyone to agree..since it's just my thoughts, and rambling.

I thought it was a cute show as well. I love it that Kate is spending more time with the kids and she definitely hates leaving them. It is one thing to voluntarily leave for work and another to have no choice. I also loved Jon getting them out of their comfort zone and taking them fishing. You are 100% correct, they are getting the best of both parents. However, I think they would be better living with Kate and seeing Jon every other weekend.

I have no doubt that 8 kids are exhausting even with help. Especially now with them trying to make the most of the time they have.

I would loose my mind if I had that arrangement. I could never do it for 1 day if he was bringing his friends over.

I would absolutely hate the arrangement the way it is now.

 

[redrosesix]

How long was Jon a sahd? I thought it was just for several months. And he has stated he didn't like it, so I wonder if that would be a case for him or against him.

I think he was a sahd for more like 1 1/2 years, up until the divorce papers were filed. And during that time he was home at least as much as she was. Before that, it wasn't as if Kate did all of the parenting duties -- he always did, even when he worked full time.

And he didn't say he didn't like doing that -- he said he had a problem with being a man and not working outside the home, but he was getting over that. Very different IMO. But I also think he complained that he wasn't able to do things his way eg. having his family over to spend time with the kids (a big part of the parenting decisions, that goes beyond just what to have for lunch), so in many ways Kate treated him the same as the not-a-nanny -- that would make the sahd arrangement a lot less palatable for anybody.

JMHO, but if he walks into divorce court saying he's willing to share custody, he has a good chance of getting that. Kate's new request to change the arrangement to her having full custody is probably not a foregone conclusion.

 

[madge]

I don't have an issue with him carrying things, anymore than I have with someone else staying at the car while they carried kids into the motel, or setting up the projector, or helping figure out the popcorn machine.
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you're saying a security guard and production assistant are the same thing?

I don't have a problem with him carrying the bag, I just think it's strange that he's doing it, if he's the security guy. It's really none of my business, other than they keep putting pictures of this stuff out there for public commentary.

 

[madge]

We really do not know unless Jons tell us. But he he is not as uptight as Kate so my guess is as long as his tasty beverages & "nanny" is there he is copacetic.

are you suggesting he drinks at home while he's with the children? wow.

 

[madge]

Also, from the link this morning before the show, I thought it was REALLY weird that Kate said Leah looked at the pictures of her (Kate) in People - does that mean Kate's keeping these copies of the magazines??? Do they send you one if you're on the cover? I gues I would have thought regardless of if Kate's buying every one to keep them off the shelves that they wouldn't be out laying around for the kids to pick up and flip through.

Especially since Kate takes GREAT PAINS to turn all those magazines around at the store so the children won't seen them.

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

I think he was a sahd for more like 1 1/2 years, up until the divorce papers were filed.

I don't believe it was that long, there were two book tours lasting just a few months each. At most he did that for a total of 6 months.

 

[madge]

I hope not. I hope she just saw the picture..as in a copy of the picture, not the magazine.

Kate said Leah saw it in the magazine, next to the headline of the story.

 

[madge]

about last night's show ...
http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/entertainment/zontv/2009/09/jon_kate_gosselin_single_paren.html

 

[DMRick]

I didn't realize it was that long. I thought he traveled with her at first, and didn't stay home until much later. I'm sure Madge will have a time line.

When he was working he said he was glad he was working, that he would not want to be home full time with the kids and the noise. He's also said he thought he should be working outside of the home after they agreed he would stay home. I guess he's still looking for that job, so he can work outside of the show. That's why I was surprised when they said he was going to be home. He has made several references to not enjoying the kids/noise. Maybe those are the things they meant, when it was mentioned stuff from the show will be used.

I gree that Kate did not do all the parenting duties, however I do think she did more in the way of pulling off getting ready for trips, what they would wear, making arrangements. That too could have been editing, but Jon didn't seem to even know where they kept the towels and soap for one bathtime. I also think Kate did not complain about doing the mundane chores that involved the kids, as much as Jon did. But that could be editing.

In any case, I see no way this switching is going to work. Divorced people do not usually work well together.

I think he was a sahd for more like 1 1/2 years, up until the divorce papers were filed. And during that time he was home at least as much as she was. Before that, it wasn't as if Kate did all of the parenting duties -- he always did, even when he worked full time.

And he didn't say he didn't like doing that -- he said he had a problem with being a man and not working outside the home, but he was getting over that. Very different IMO. But I also think he complained that he wasn't able to do things his way eg. having his family over to spend time with the kids (a big part of the parenting decisions, that goes beyond just what to have for lunch), so in many ways Kate treated him the same as the not-a-nanny -- that would make the sahd arrangement a lot less palatable for anybody.

JMHO, but if he walks into divorce court saying he's willing to share custody, he has a good chance of getting that. Kate's new request to change the arrangement to her having full custody is probably not a foregone conclusion.

 

[madge]

Kate & Paula Deen?
http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/news/local_news/091409_kate_Gosselin_talk_show

 

[DMRick]

about last night's show ...
http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/entertainment/zontv/2009/09/jon_kate_gosselin_single_paren.html

So what does he suggest? That they talk to the kids on TV about the divorce so we can see how sad they are? I'm glad they aren't doing that.
Does he think they should all live in the house together so they can fight in front of the kids?
Of course the kids are sad to see the other parent go..they would be in any divorce. So, is it better the kids get to stay in the house and the parents leave, or does he think one parent should stay and the kids go back and forth?
About where Kate lives. The paps can't figure that out? I don't believe they wouldn't print it, if they knew she lived in Maryland.

 

[DMRick]

Kate & Paula Deen?
http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/news/local_news/091409_kate_Gosselin_talk_show

LOL..another talk show I wouldn't watch.

 

[mickeyboat]

It struck me while I watched some of last night's episode that while Jon and Kate strive to make the best of their time with the kids, filling every moment with excitement in an effort to make memories, they are losing what is really important about being a family: the day-to-day interaction - homework, mealtimes, trips to the grocery store, etc., when they can really hear what their kids have to say instead of fishing for cute sound bites.

In the past I might have defended them by saying that the show is just a small part of their lives, and it allows them to do some really neat stuff. But I am starting to get the impression that the day-to-day is being handled by babysitters and nannys.

I remember when DDs were little. I treasured Christmases, birthdays vacations and made sure they were special for the kids. What I should have been treasuring were diaper changes, nursing and drives to school. Those are the memories that parents are made of.

 

[kidshop]

I am really on the fence with Kate. Over all I really don't like her, but I am liking Jon even less, so I guess she is the lesser of two evils at this point. What I want to know is why she seems to stretch the truth about what she feeds her kids. I know she says she tries to eat organic and I believe her on that, but she says over and over again that she doesn't allow junk food. I have seen eggo waffles in her shopping cart and I have seen Ruffles potato chips in her cart as well. I am not judging because as we speak I have 3 different kinds of chips in my pantry, but for her to sit there yesterday and say her kids don't know what Doritios are when I have seen her kids eating chips in crazy.
It is her stretching of the truth and her sometimes holier than thou attitutude that bothers me. Oh and I guess marshmallow fluff because it was organic is ok, HELLO( as she says) it is still pure sugar and therefore junk food. Sorry for so many typos, haven't had first cup of non organic coffee yet

Stretching the truth is her trademark, but I think she really believes that she only feeds her kids healthy and organic. Maybe she forgot that is it all preserved on film and we saw the endless Juicy Juice, and the appearance of mcDonalds wrappers and take out pizza boxes! It would make sense that she truly believes what she is saying.(It's not a lie if YOU believe it. ) She has often claimed absolutes; like the kids don't chew gum, the kids don't see the rag mags, and the ubiquitous 'I do it all alone', that are easily disproven. It's the way she is and yes, it is an extremely unpleasant personality trait.

My kids eat plenty of junk, just like hers, but I don't try to pretend otherwise. It's just another layer of fake.