Jon and Kate Plus 8 Official Thread - Part 6

[DMRick]

This is exactly why everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Even though several articles I have read state that Kate is out promoting her books and show, .

Well, I don't know where you read she is out promoting her books (which is what I commented on). I agreed that she appears to be promoting the show. I haven't heard her even mention them, and I haven't seen any schedules listed for bookstores and I haven't seen them held up on shows such as Larry King. Madge can prob bring us up to date on that.

 

[hbkfan637]

JMHO, but I don't think the first day of school should be like this for any kid, including the other kids that the Gosselins are going to school with.

IMO, Jon and Kate (moreso Kate) are choosing to be celebrities, not just people on a TV show -- I don't see other reality TV families doing a media blitz. I just don't know why they seem to get so much press compared to many actors, etc who are also followed by the paparazzi and the press. Does doing an article in People or an interview on the Today show invite the paparazzi to follow you? -- apparently so, since they are often asking questions about things that first appeared in those interviews.

So, maybe the dividing lines on this thread have something to do with whether you see them as a very large family who has to do what is necessary to survive, or as two parents courting the media (and posters wondering what effect this will have on the kids) I have to honestly say that I fall into the second camp. A lot of the current issues re Jon and Kate go beyond the reality TV show, their children, parenting and household issues, and fall somewhere out there in realm of fame and fortune, which is a concept I've never been able to grasp (like why Zsa Zsa Gabor was famous at all )

I don't think the actual interviews on People, Today, etc invite the paps.. Scandal and public interest does. I could be wrong but I think the paps only started aggressively following the Gosselins after the Jon & Deanna situation. If no one wanted to know what caused the divorce, what they were doing, etc., the paps wouldn't be following them like this. Look at Britney Spears, when she was all messed up and shaving her head bald, they reported her every move. Now that she's "normal," they follow her less.

 

[LKHomemail]

The only real issue I have with Kate Gosselin, is that , she kept doing church appearances promoting her book in Jan, Feb, March of 2009. According to Jon and what's been told in the press , the marriage collapsed in the fall of 2008.

I saw her in person at a church appearance in 2009 and can tell you she definatly presented herself and the image that the marriage was fine and that they had this wonderful story of having went from "surviving to thriving" . I do recall there was something mentioned about her "clueless" husband and she said that it works for them / they can argue one minute and it's all good the next. I really have a problem with her presenting a story / testimony that wasn't truthful. I think she should refund the speakers fee she earned and return the money for 20 dollar autographs she did for masses of people. I think she planned to continue the paid appearances and present a front that all was good , in order to continue the show, promote the books. Love is in the mix, can't be promoted and marked right now. Perhaps a cook book for single mums will do well . Healhy recipes prepared simply that don't cost a fortune.

Bottom line, I do not think she was truthful with her public. I do not believe she owes full disclosure to everyone either. However, to charge a fee and present a christian testimony that is not truthful is something else. She could have kept her collapsed marriage a secret , done the show and promoted the books but stopped doing all the church appearance tours. This was a mega church were I saw her and there was a ton of money flowing through there buying books and 20 dollar autographs. Saturday and Sunday multiple services.

 

[redrosesix]

The only real issue I have with Kate Gosselin, is that , she kept doing church appearances promoting her book in Jan, Feb, March of 2009. According to Jon and what's been told in the press , the marriage collapsed in the fall of 2008.

I saw her in person at a church appearance in 2009 and can tell you she definatly presented herself and the image that the marriage was fine and that they had this wonderful story of having went from "surviving to thriving" . I do recall there was something mentioned about her "clueless" husband and she said that it works for them / they can argue one minute and it's all good the next. I really have a problem with her presenting a story / testimony that wasn't truthful. I think she should refund the speakers fee she earned and return the money for 20 dollar autographs she did for masses of people. I think she planned to continue the paid appearances and present a front that all was good , in order to continue the show, promote the books. Love is in the mix, can't be promoted and marked right now. Perhaps a cook book for single mums will do well . Healhy recipes prepared simply that don't cost a fortune.

Bottom line, I do not think she was truthful with her public. I do not believe she owes full disclosure to everyone either. However, to charge a fee and present a christian testimony that is not truthful is something else. She could have kept her collapsed marriage a secret , done the show and promoted the books but stopped doing all the church appearance tours. This was a mega church were I saw her and there was a ton of money flowing through there buying books and 20 dollar autographs. Saturday and Sunday multiple services.

I would be pretty ruffled too if I found out anyone had stood up in my church and lied to me. But she did manage to pull this off, plus the show for several more months, otherwise the divorce announcement wouldn't have been such a shocker for anybody. Maybe she thought things would work out eventually?

I find it interesting that Jon was not doing these types of appearances at that time. That, plus the amount of media stuff she's been doing lately, makes me think that these issues added a lot more tension to an already troubled marriage -- perhaps Jon was telling the truth when he said that in Oct.2008 they realized they had different priorities and that Kate was more interested in her career than in him.

I'm wondering if we now have enough information to figure out the actual timeline of this whole mess I don't know exactly when some of the following happened (episode dates are different than real dates) and I'm sure some of the things in my list can be disputed, but most of this is from information in these threads:

2008 - when? - Jon starts sleeping in the basement of the old house
Oct 2008 -- when Jon said the marriage fell apart
2008 -- they move into the old house but Jon moves into the apartment over the garage
2008 -- Jon starts going to counselling -- he says Kate refused to go (we have no evidence of this -- maybe she went to her own) -- he continues to go by himself
Jan 2009 -- the family goes to Utah, Kate goes home early without Jon
May 2009 -- Jon is staying at Hailey's parents' home, he said the marriage was over
June 2009 -- TLC does the special episode re the divorce (but we don't know when that decision was made)
June 2009 -- Kate files for divorce, stating she had to to protect her children from Jon
June 2009 -- Jon starts publicly dating Hailey (yes, it's disputed when this began but this is what they stated and nobody has come out with info to the contrary) -- at this point, no matter what had occurred before, I'd say the damage to the marriage was irreparable.

I left out the Deanna stuff because the only person that says they were dating was Deanna's useless and creepy brother, plus that happened so long after what I considered the relevant info ie. they were already doomed at that point, JMHO. Or maybe I'm missing the relevance of him going out to bars -- was this really a new thing that started in spring 2009?

Please everybody, feel free to edit, add, change -- I think together we can figure this out or at the very least come up with a few possible scenarios.

 

[mousey]

I think Kate is traveling a lot to promote herself hither, tither and yon. She has done at least three tv shows this month, two or three People ads, I mean articles this summer with photo shoots and is booked for three Southern Women's Shows next month in three different states. September 11 -Cleveland, OH, September 17 - Charlotte, NC and September 24 - Birmingham, AL. Wouldn't you slow it down a little at the beginning of a new school year with the divorce and all? Isn't that what all the cameras have been tolerated for? The ability to stay home for the kids.

The idea that this large family has to run this circus for their livelihood is beyond me. Of course they don't. And if they thought they did at one point, skip the multi million dollar spread you don't use and save the 75g's per episode so you can quit after 5 seasons (you know they don't live in years). They have acreage and a 7500 (or whatever) square foot home, and the kids have to eat in the driveway on a wooden picnic table all summer in the front of the house to avoid making a mess inside. At least let them eat their grapes and organic cheese cube around back by the pool. Who do they share this beautiful property with? Family? Friends? I wonder.

None of the stuff they have is worth a hill of beans. It's all about people, and the only ones around them seem to be getting paid. She said at one point the only person who understood her was Jon. So much for that.

The cover of the new People; what is with that crazed smile? She couldn't even muster a pleasant expression on the kids first days of school, but wants that on the cover? The inside shot is strange to me too. She is quite attractive, but it has all just gotten too weird. I need to quit reading it all, I really do.

TOTALLY AGREE!!! As one article I read stated, J & K chose to put their life on national tv--you can't pick and choose which part you don't want shown. They have no talent. If it wasn't for the kids there would be no show. I also wonder where are all the family and friends??
They say the older the kids get they are more less marketable. People are curious when they are babies, but unfortunately, babies grow up. This family circus train has run its course. Time for J & K to guide there family thru this divorce and give these kids a normal childhood without cameras. They made plenty of money off the kids--enough is enough!!

 

[madge]

Well, I don't know where you read she is out promoting her books (which is what I commented on). I agreed that she appears to be promoting the show. I haven't heard her even mention them, and I haven't seen any schedules listed for bookstores and I haven't seen them held up on shows such as Larry King. Madge can prob bring us up to date on that.

It's my understanding that Kate is on a side stage, possibly doing a book signing at the event in California that Maria Shriver organized. The other appearances are the Southern Women's Shows listed a few posts ago. I wonder if she has a contract with Southern Shows, or is booked by the individual event... and how long ago was she booked for these shows.

I wouldn't be surprised if The View isn't the last time we see Kate in the talk show circuit next month. (All the shows start back right after Labor Day .. commercials for Oprah's interview with Whitney Houston started running this weekend.) Kate is obviously interested in furthering her career past JK8. I think that her people are having trouble coming up with the Kate they're trying to promote, though. She's done crafts and cooking on some shows, straight interviews on others, and the recent glamour shots spread in People magazine showcase a completely different image.

I have to admit, I'm getting bored with the whole thing. It's the same pictures, the same tabloid garbage, blah blah blah. I've been really busy for the last few weeks on other projects and haven't been keeping up nearly as much as I did earlier this year. I find when I get time to catch up, nothing has changed.

 

[mousey]

I agree Madge--just seems the same stuff written by a different magazine. I think the way they handled the seperation (making it seem like everything was peachy) really turned off a lot of fans. J & K really tarnished their images, I think beyond repair. Kate has no talent as a talk show host or any television personality so they could be setting her up for more failure.

 

[DMRick]

It's my understanding that Kate is on a side stage, possibly doing a book signing at the event in California that Maria Shriver organized. The other appearances are the Southern Women's Shows listed a few posts ago. I wonder if she has a contract with Southern Shows, or is booked by the individual event... and how long ago was she booked for these shows.

Madge, I'd be interested in where you found the book information, as I can't imagine after this long of the book not being popular, anyone would still want an autographed copy (unless if was set up as a charity). That said, I don't believe she has been off promoting her books for some time, and certainly not at this time. Have you read anywhere that she has been off promoting her book (and which one would she promote, the one talking about the happy marriage?).
I do think, because of the popularity or should I say interest, she is enjoying right now, that they are trying her out in different venues, to see if there is a fit. Sor to like they did Elizabeth on the view. I never in a million years thought she would have anything to add to any show (and personally I still can't figure out why her LOL), so who knows where Kate's fit might be.
Edited to add, I see where in the original announcement they said she would be selling her book "Eight Little Faces". I still find no where where she has been on the circuit promoting it at this time. I think either of her books will be a hard sell at this time, unless I misjudge her popularity on this front and people still want her autograph.

 

[DMRick]

http://www.radaronline.com/category/tags/kate-gosselin

Take one soon-to-be-divorced womanizing reality star, put him in Las Vegas and let the fun begin.

But there was little fun to be had for Jon Gosselin on Friday night after he arrived in Sin City. The Jon & Kate Plus 8 star seemed more concerned about buying cigarettes than anything else.

Jon is hosting an event at the MGM this weekend and Friday night he ate at Wolfgang Puck's restaurant with four guys. For most of the
meal, beer-drinking Jon talked about how he had to buy cigarettes ASAP.

Our favorite part was as he hung out with photographers he told them he hoped no other photographers were watching or following him!

Jon checked out the black jack tables but did little else and by 2:45 a.m. headed out of the casino.

Hailey Glassman, his 22-year-old girlfriend was nowhere in sight.

 

[redrosesix]

http://www.radaronline.com/category/tags/kate-gosselin

Take one soon-to-be-divorced womanizing reality star, put him in Las Vegas and let the fun begin.

But there was little fun to be had for Jon Gosselin on Friday night after he arrived in Sin City. The Jon & Kate Plus 8 star seemed more concerned about buying cigarettes than anything else.

Jon is hosting an event at the MGM this weekend and Friday night he ate at Wolfgang Puck's restaurant with four guys. For most of the
meal, beer-drinking Jon talked about how he had to buy cigarettes ASAP.

Our favorite part was as he hung out with photographers he told them he hoped no other photographers were watching or following him!

Jon checked out the black jack tables but did little else and by 2:45 a.m. headed out of the casino.

Hailey Glassman, his 22-year-old girlfriend was nowhere in sight.

I'm thinking that the reason we no longer see him in the Ed Hardy shirts is that they no longer fit. He has to get that under control, soon.

Just realized that when he said he was taking his friends to Vegas some time ago, he probably meant for this gig ie. it was free for him and his friends, probably included airfare too.

 

[redrosesix]

Here's a link to some of the pics from Wet Republic:
http://community.livejournal.com/ohnotheydidnt/38708769.html

I thought this was supposed to be an Ed Hardy gig? I guess that deal is really over...

A word of warning -- the comments re the pics are nasty, and not suitable for younger audiences.

 

[mousey]

I'm sure he's doing this gig for "his kids". From the latest looks of him, maybe he's promoting the new cookbook.

 

[kidshop]

The only real issue I have with Kate Gosselin, is that , she kept doing church appearances promoting her book in Jan, Feb, March of 2009. According to Jon and what's been told in the press , the marriage collapsed in the fall of 2008.

I saw her in person at a church appearance in 2009 and can tell you she definatly presented herself and the image that the marriage was fine and that they had this wonderful story of having went from "surviving to thriving" . I do recall there was something mentioned about her "clueless" husband and she said that it works for them / they can argue one minute and it's all good the next. I really have a problem with her presenting a story / testimony that wasn't truthful. I think she should refund the speakers fee she earned and return the money for 20 dollar autographs she did for masses of people. I think she planned to continue the paid appearances and present a front that all was good , in order to continue the show, promote the books. Love is in the mix, can't be promoted and marked right now. Perhaps a cook book for single mums will do well . Healhy recipes prepared simply that don't cost a fortune.

Bottom line, I do not think she was truthful with her public. I do not believe she owes full disclosure to everyone either. However, to charge a fee and present a christian testimony that is not truthful is something else. She could have kept her collapsed marriage a secret , done the show and promoted the books but stopped doing all the church appearance tours. This was a mega church were I saw her and there was a ton of money flowing through there buying books and 20 dollar autographs. Saturday and Sunday multiple services.

This issue causes me to feel an intense dislike for the Gosselins. At these meetings she also presented the image if doing it all alone and that they were struggling. I have heard others who saw her in fall of '08 report that she was still claiming concern over how they would send the kids to college...that was right before they moved into the 1.3 million dollar home. While I don't understand, it has been explained to me her main Christian draw is that she did not reduce her pregnancy. If you do that I guess you get a pass for everything else? I think she made the right decision, but certainly that doesn't cancel out later deceit, IMO anyway.

 

[DMRick]

Since I don't know all that was going on in her life, it will have to be between her and God and God will have to judge, not me. I have no idea if J & K intended to deceive anyone. I just can't hate somebody I don't know in real life. Actually, I can't imagine hating (or intensely disliking) someone I do know.
With that said, I'm off to church LOL!

This issue causes me to feel an intense dislike for the Gosselins. At these meetings she also presented the image if doing it all alone and that they were struggling. I have heard others who saw her in fall of '08 report that she was still claiming concern over how they would send the kids to college...that was right before they moved into the 1.3 million dollar home. While I don't understand, it has been explained to me her main Christian draw is that she did not reduce her pregnancy. If you do that I guess you get a pass for everything else? I think she made the right decision, but certainly that doesn't cancel out later deceit, IMO anyway.

 

[MM27]

http://www.radaronline.com/category/tags/kate-gosselin

Take one soon-to-be-divorced womanizing reality star, put him in Las Vegas and let the fun begin.

But there was little fun to be had for Jon Gosselin on Friday night after he arrived in Sin City. The Jon & Kate Plus 8 star seemed more concerned about buying cigarettes than anything else.

Jon is hosting an event at the MGM this weekend and Friday night he ate at Wolfgang Puck's restaurant with four guys. For most of the
meal, beer-drinking Jon talked about how he had to buy cigarettes ASAP.

Our favorite part was as he hung out with photographers he told them he hoped no other photographers were watching or following him!

Jon checked out the black jack tables but did little else and by 2:45 a.m. headed out of the casino.

Hailey Glassman, his 22-year-old girlfriend was nowhere in sight.

Hailey wasn't there, but his mom was. Did you see the picture of her on the balcony with Jon? I wonder what mom thinks of the way her son is acting.

All of the kids now attend a private school, so the bus is not paid for with tax dollars. It looks like a public school bus but it is privately owned by their school.

I don't know what they do in PA, but I live in NJ and if a parent decides to send their child to private or parochial school, the sending district has to either provide a bus for the child, or pay the parents for transportation. I know someone that drove her own child to school and the home district gave her a stipend every month. I guess it was cheaper for them than sending a bus out for just a couple of kids.

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

The only real issue I have with Kate Gosselin, is that , she kept doing church appearances promoting her book in Jan, Feb, March of 2009. According to Jon and what's been told in the press , the marriage collapsed in the fall of 2008.

I saw her in person at a church appearance in 2009 and can tell you she definatly presented herself and the image that the marriage was fine and that they had this wonderful story of having went from "surviving to thriving" . I do recall there was something mentioned about her "clueless" husband and she said that it works for them / they can argue one minute and it's all good the next. I really have a problem with her presenting a story / testimony that wasn't truthful. I think she should refund the speakers fee she earned and return the money for 20 dollar autographs she did for masses of people. I think she planned to continue the paid appearances and present a front that all was good , in order to continue the show, promote the books. Love is in the mix, can't be promoted and marked right now. Perhaps a cook book for single mums will do well . Healhy recipes prepared simply that don't cost a fortune.

Bottom line, I do not think she was truthful with her public. I do not believe she owes full disclosure to everyone either. However, to charge a fee and present a christian testimony that is not truthful is something else. She could have kept her collapsed marriage a secret , done the show and promoted the books but stopped doing all the church appearance tours. This was a mega church were I saw her and there was a ton of money flowing through there buying books and 20 dollar autographs. Saturday and Sunday multiple services.

It is possible that Kate was in denial about her marriage at that point. Sometimes when things aren't going good we fool ourselves more than anyone else. All the times she repeated how they would be "together forever" with the vow renewals...more denial.

Jon says it was over in Oct. and she wanted out. Kate says Jon told her to get an attorney because he had one and he wanted out. Truth is somewhere in the middle.

I do understand how you felt deceived though. I think I would have as well.

 

[mousey]

I think Kate would do whatever it took to keep the show going. I think that's why the crap hit the fan when Jon started dating in public. He blew their cover. Everything was suppose to be honkie dorie--but it was a big lie. Who would of thought it would esculate to this level. The next big announcement will be when the divorce is final and TLC breaks its contract with Jon. Kate will try to do it alone (as usual) until that fails and who knows what the future holds.

 

[madge]

The only real issue I have with Kate Gosselin, is that , she kept doing church appearances promoting her book in Jan, Feb, March of 2009. According to Jon and what's been told in the press , the marriage collapsed in the fall of 2008.

I saw her in person at a church appearance in 2009 and can tell you she definatly presented herself and the image that the marriage was fine and that they had this wonderful story of having went from "surviving to thriving" . I do recall there was something mentioned about her "clueless" husband and she said that it works for them / they can argue one minute and it's all good the next. I really have a problem with her presenting a story / testimony that wasn't truthful. I think she should refund the speakers fee she earned and return the money for 20 dollar autographs she did for masses of people. I think she planned to continue the paid appearances and present a front that all was good , in order to continue the show, promote the books. Love is in the mix, can't be promoted and marked right now. Perhaps a cook book for single mums will do well . Healhy recipes prepared simply that don't cost a fortune.

Bottom line, I do not think she was truthful with her public. I do not believe she owes full disclosure to everyone either. However, to charge a fee and present a christian testimony that is not truthful is something else. She could have kept her collapsed marriage a secret , done the show and promoted the books but stopped doing all the church appearance tours. This was a mega church were I saw her and there was a ton of money flowing through there buying books and 20 dollar autographs. Saturday and Sunday multiple services.

When/where did you see her? There was a charge for autographs?

I saw Kate in March, right after the first series of bar pictures surfaced. I suspect her speech was exactly the same as always, based on what I had read from other speeches. From what I continue to read, the story remains largely the same... because the focus of the speech is on the first year of life with the sextuplets and how they made it through. That part of it isn't a lie ... at the very least, it's consistent.

I was asked on a previous thread if I had ever had a disagreement with my husband before going to an event and acted normally. I thought that was a good point, because I have. Earlier this year, the marriage may not have disintegrated to the point where divorce was the solution.

 

[madge]

I find it interesting that Jon was not doing these types of appearances at that time.

Kate had an answer for that. Jon didn't enjoy the speaking engagements, and they agreed it was best for one of them to be home with the children.

I'm wondering if we now have enough information to figure out the actual timeline of this whole mess I don't know exactly when some of the following happened (episode dates are different than real dates) and I'm sure some of the things in my list can be disputed, but most of this is from information in these threads:

2008 - when? - Jon starts sleeping in the basement of the old house
Oct 2008 -- when Jon said the marriage fell apart
2008 -- they move into the new house but Jon moves into the apartment over the garage
2008 -- Jon starts going to counselling -- he says Kate refused to go (we have no evidence of this -- maybe she went to her own) -- he continues to go by himself
Jan 2009 -- the family goes to Utah, Kate goes home early without Jon
mid-February 2009: pictures surface from Shorty's bar in Pennsylvania. Jon was staying with his mother for several days ... there were also rumors coming out of Juniata College that Jon was at a house party there.
May 2009 -- Jon is staying at Hailey's parents' home, he said the marriage was over
June 2009 -- TLC does the special episode re the divorce (but we don't know when that decision was made)
June 2009 -- Kate files for divorce, stating she had to to protect her children from Jon
June 2009 -- Jon starts publicly dating Hailey (yes, it's disputed when this began but this is what they stated and nobody has come out with info to the contrary) -- at this point, no matter what had occurred before, I'd say the damage to the marriage was irreparable.

I left out the Deanna stuff because the only person that says they were dating was Deanna's useless and creepy brother, plus that happened so long after what I considered the relevant info ie. they were already doomed at that point, JMHO. Or maybe I'm missing the relevance of him going out to bars -- was this really a new thing that started in spring 2009?

Please everybody, feel free to edit, add, change -- I think together we can figure this out or at the very least come up with a few possible scenarios.

 

[DreaGirl]

When/where did you see her? There was a charge for autographs?

It was my understanding that it was $20 for a signed picture, cash only.