Jon and Kate Plus 8 Official Thread - Part 5

[newtodis]

Jon Gosselin should be commended.

His show's ratings take a nosedive and the reality man-***** takes it upon himself to personally enlist more viewers, one cocktail waitress at a time.

At least, we can only assume that's what the father of eight was doing when he supposedly held a sleepover with his new 23-year-old babysitter Stephanie Santoro (who, in addition to drink-serving duties is also a clothes-eschewing aspiring model and a mother of her own 2-year-old)...watching his show, right, Jon?

And what does suspect Kate "2.0" Major have to say about all this?

"We remain close and we will both always know the truth," she exclusively tells E! News of her relationship.

Her statement comes at the same time as Gosselin's latest tabloid proclamation that he's "always been true to Hailey [Glassman]."

Still, Major seems to be standing by her man...for now.

"I was really, really impressed and I still am with the person that he is," she says.

That makes one of us.

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Watch the entire interview with Kate Major exclusively on E! News this week, beginning Wednesday at 7 p.m. & 11:30 p.m., and running through Friday.

http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b137752_jon_gosselins_sleepovers_are_all_right.html


I would LOVE to know what kind of appeal this man has.....women are literally falling over him. Do they really think they can just use him to get into the spotlight or is he really that amazing???

 

[GeorgiaPeach8]

I actually wondered if Jon's kitchen job was a college job but that is still only adds a few years to the equation.

pp--I don't know what to say about the huffington interview excerpt. Other than Jon saying he had to ask Kate's "permission" to hang out with his friends is really annoying. How many men with twins, then six more don't have to ask their wife's permission to go out. Personally, I would be chomping at the bit for my husband to get home from work if I had been home with 8 kids. Even if I had some help during the day. If DH called to tell me he was stopping at a bar to watch the game and have a few beers, I might break down in tears.

 

[newtodis]

The link is basically the same article as a previous one posted about Jon's interview but some things below weren't inlcuded in the first one IIRC:

When pressed about how his kids will potentially meet and interact with Glassman, Gosselin abruptly said the following: "If what you're trying to get at is, 'Is this the woman who stole Daddy from us?' -- no way."

"I kind of lost part of my life in my marriage," Gosselin says, referencing the fact that he was 22 and now has eight children. "I lost my whole twenties."

http://www.popeater.com/2009/08/05/jon-kate-left-me-for-a-career/

 

[barkley]

I really wasn't trying to make a leap...Kate has bascially said Jon hasn't found himself. Also, another job was mentioned in the kitchen episode. By my count that is 5 jobs in 10 years. That is more than my husband...who only recently "found himself." I think many men's identity is very tied to their jobs.

I agree that Kate wants to the show to go on but this may be a contract issue. I'm not sure TLC would have been against him going back to school or getting another job--it would merely have been one more "angle" for the story. One more thing on the family's plate.

One thing I'm sure about is that is a weird picture of Jon on the recent magazine. Also, if Jon really wants out of the lime-light why does he care that Kate is using the kids to get more airtime. I'm also sure that his statement that nothing is the way it seems is probably so true.

i'm sure tlc would have been all for the angle of him getting a new job or going back to school. i'm not so sure any potential employer or a college would have bought into it. in all likelyhood it could have just been angled as "dad has a new job" or "dad has gone back to school" but tlc would'nt benefit from it because it would just be a time committment that would take jon away from filming (and with college the studying would have been a time committment too-doubt it would be very entertaining to always see jon with his head buried in a text book).

the logistics of filming would have likely been an issue of being interupting to a classroom (and think of all the blurring out of faces or releases signed that would have had to occur) so i doubt any college would have bought in. i can't imagine an employer who would pay good money to someone and then be paying that money to cover time (when the camera crew was filming) to facilitate their employee's other job (and if it were in i.t. there could be security issues that an employer or whomever they contract with could have major issues with filming).

i agree that many men's identity is tied to their job, but i think maybe in the begining both jon and kate bought into the filming the way it was marketed to the public-the reality filming of a family's life, working and raising all those kids. in the begining that's what we saw-them living their lives, jon coming home from work-it was supposed to be a show ABOUT their lives. it changed-kate has said so herself-their life IS THE SHOW, THE SHOW is their lives. instead of their lives driving what the show is about, the show (and what has proven popular as episode settings and activities) drives how they live their lives. again-i'm not defending jon but i think maybe he did'nt like the identity he (and maybe the whole family) aquired through this experience, and when he wanted to quit what he viewed as a "job" and move on just as kate seemed to support him in doing before.

just my opinion.

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

Since Jon & Kate Plus 8 stars Jon and Kate Gosselin announced they were divorcing on June 22, their lives have been turned upside down. Jon's life has become a circus and he's been criticized for partying in St. Tropez and in N.Y.'s Hamptons, and for dating two younger women, Hailey Glassman and tabloid reporter Kate Major. "Things have gotten out of control," Jon tells In Touch in a revealing interview. "Many people think that everything moved too fast, that I was out partying too quickly. But Kate gave up on the marriage last October, and the divorce will be finalized by September 30." Jon, 32, met with In Touch on August 2 in New York to set the record straight about his marriage, his new girlfriend, how all of the drama is affecting his children and why he's tired of being blamed.

What is the biggest difference in your life now, compared to a year ago?

Let's go back to October of last year -- that's when all of this happened. Kate basically came to me out of the blue and said, "I am done. You are going to live your life, and I am going to live my life." I was like, "What?" I didn't really know what was going on. When she said that, I was really upset and nervous.

Why did she want to break up?

I think she initiated the split because she wanted a career. Maybe I wasn't sure what I wanted to do, and she was going to move on regardless. I said, "Are you sure about this?"

Did you want to work it out?

Yes, I asked, "What do I have to do to mend the relationship? What did I do wrong?" I was beating myself up about it. So I read a lot of books about personalities, like The Five Love Languages. Throughout the marriage, I felt like my personality had changed a lot. In December, I went to therapy. I asked Kate to come, but she didn't want to. She said, "If you have a problem, go fix it."

When did you and Kate start living separate lives?

We went to Utah on January 1. On January 12, she flew back with security and I stayed. That's when I started to just hang out and meet people, and feel free. Not too many girls, just with my guy friends. I couldn't do that for nine years. When I came back on the 17th, Kate and I weren't talking. So I just said, "I'm moving out of the house," and that was it.


What was your first relationship?

Hailey -- it started around May. She is the polar opposite of Kate. It's really different. I feel good about myself and people see my good qualities. I'm not being put down. If I want to go out with my friends, Hailey says, "Oh, go out." I'm not used to that. I was used to, "No, no, it's your fault." Sometimes I ask Hailey permission, like I used to do with Kate, and she says, "You don't have to ask permission." I was used to living like that, and now it's like a breath of fresh air. You can have a balanced relationship but also spend time with your friends.

How did you fall in love with Hailey?

We started talking and got along well. I started getting really attracted to her, like, on the phone. She really listened to me and took in what I was saying. Then she came back to her parents' house in May and I went up to see her. We hit it off. It was great. She is amazing.

Kate Major said she was dating you.

I felt like, "Okay, I have a cool new person in New York and we can just go out for dinner." Then it was a conflict of interest with her work. I have always been true to Hailey.

How are the kids handling the split and all of the drama?

Even though they are young, it still hurts them. They can't figure it out. They're like, "Why aren't they together? Why can't you hug her?" The other day, Alexis said, "I want you and Mommy to be home together." And it hurts because it's not going to happen -- and how do you explain that? I just let them know we love them no matter what. It's hard. I feel like I failed them.

When will you introduce Hailey as your girlfriend to the kids?

I think it would have to be after the divorce is finalized. I can't just show up with Hailey. I think we all need a little routine in our lives. Right now, it's helter-skelter. Once there is a routine, we'll start off slowly, like going out to dinner. We are dealing with eight different personalities, and they will each handle it in different ways. They may never be comfortable.


For the full exclusive interview with Jon Gosselin, check out this week's issue of In Touch Weekly, on newsstands now.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/05/jon-gosselin-stop-blaming_n_251617.html

So they both have a completely different take on how things went down. We expected that, right? Both say the other didn't want to work on the problems or get therapy. So what is true? The truth is somewhere in the middle of what they both say, I suppose.

Perhaps once Jon moved out, Kate realized that isn't what she really wanted and tried to fix it...only to find it was too late. Point is they both are to blame for the destruction of the marriage.

I wonder what Hailey (the one Jon has been true to) thinks about Stephanie Santoro, the woman in the red dress?

 

[newtodis]

Here are pictures of the babysitter/sleep over friend if anyone's intersted. The picture with the brown shirt and jeans is cute but some...yuck.

http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/gallery/stephanie-santoro-pic/

Here's the article I got the link from:

http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/2...mored-to-be-latest-notch-on-jon-gosselins-be/

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

"I kind of lost part of my life in my marriage," Gosselin says, referencing the fact that he was 22 and now has eight children. "I lost my whole twenties."

So what will the kids think someday when they read this self-serving nonsense? Daddy regrets having us because he lost his 20's?...

Good grief, get over it already.

 

[GeorgiaPeach8]

I don't understand Jon saying Kate left him for a career?? Wasn't she doing that all along? Didn't she have a career when she was nursing? Plus, her new career is sort of built on the cornerstone of a big, painfully normal family. I would have thought it would be more benefical for Kate to shut her mouth and try to keep Jon happy.

Also, does he really think the Hailey thing is going to work out? Where does he see this going? Are they going to get married and she is going to be a step-mom to the kids. Does anyone (including Jon) see Hailey taking 8 kids to the zoo. Do you think she will pack organic snacks? Sorry---too much snark but it takes a special woman to be a good step-mom to one kid, let alone 8.

 

[barkley]

I also thought I read that J & K attorney sent a letter to the ex-boss advising him to cease talking about the reason for Jon's firing.

i had'nt read or heard this but if it's true the gosselins need to get a better attorney!

the former employer's statement basicly says that jon has lied about why he was fired-and spells out why he fired him. if that's not true a good attorney would demand a public retraction, and failing that would sue for slander. even if no financial damages could be recovered a lawsuit would force the facts of the termination out so any future employment applications would'nt be clouded.

jon worked in governement before, if he ever had a desire to go into any aspect of it again, it's one industry that will fire a person and then black ball them from future consideration if it's found that they falsified information on their original employment application. if jon put down on the one he used to get hired at the govenor's office that he was fired about the insurance and he's not disputing or making the former employer retract what he's said about the firing he could be looking at never being eligible to gov. employment or working for anyone who has gov. contracts or funding (and the way things are going in the u.s. today, i think there are very few buisnesses that don't have some kind of gov. ties).

 

[mistydoodles]

I'm not sure if this has already been posted or not. I just found this article online. It sounds like he is still with Hailey.

http://www.nj.com/entertainment/celebrities/index.ssf/2009/08/jon_gosselin_kate_asked_for_di.html

Jon Gosselin: Kate asked for divorce back in October
by Vicki Hyman/The Star-Ledger
Wednesday August 05, 2009, 10:43 AM

Jon and Kate Gosselin's self-imposed cooling-off period is ovah.

Jon Gosselin did a sit-down interview with In Touch Weekly (guess he got tired of waiting around for Larry King to call) in which he says that Kate told him their marriage was over back in October, just two months after their renewed their wedding vows in Hawaii.

"Kate basically came to me out of the blue and said, 'I am done. You are going to live your life, and I am going to live my life,'" Jon says. "I was like, 'What?' I didn't really know what was going on."

Jon says that he sought guidance in self-help books and went into therapy, but Kate refused to come with him. "She said, 'If you have a problem, go fix it.'"

After trip to Utah in January, Jon says he and Kate were no longer speaking, and he moved out of the house. But he still denies cheating on her with schoolteacher Deanna Hummel, saying his first girlfriend outside the marriage was Hailey Glassman, the daughter of Kate's tummy-tuck surgeon, whom he started dating in May. (Though he admits he was attracted to her and starting talking to her over the phone before then.)

"She is the polar opposite of Kate," he says. "I feel good about myself and people see my good qualities. I'm not being put down. If I want to go out with my friends, Hailey says, "Oh, go out." I'm not used to that."

As for former Star magazine reporter Kate Major, who says she quit her job after falling for Jon, whom she'd been assigned to interview, he says they are just friends. "I have always been true to Hailey."

 

[PirateSnowmen]

"She is the polar opposite of Kate," he says. "I feel good about myself and people see my good qualities. I'm not being put down. If I want to go out with my friends, Hailey says, "Oh, go out." I'm not used to that."

What, exactly, are his good qualities that we, the people, are supposedly seeing?

IMHO, he's a load of scum.

 

[GeorgiaPeach8]

So what will the kids think someday when they read this self-serving nonsense? Daddy regrets having us because he lost his 20's?...

Good grief, get over it already.

Exactly what I thought--what young parent hasn't thought this once or twice. But then you look at your kids and realize you won't have changed the way things have turned out.

 

[madge]

It also could of been because she was fed up with his childish playboy ways. Feeling hurt and betrayed she may have blurted out that she wanted a divorce. Couple that with his supposed refusal to discuss the problems and what is left.

That's not the way Jon is saying it did. And his story jives with what Kevin & Jodi were saying in the interviews earlier this year. And it also jives with what Jon's mother said in the one interview with Star magazine -- she said he was going to be portrayed differently than how it really was.

(I'm two pages behind, so I'm sure the link to Jon's InTouch interview has been posted by now ... )

Now, Jon has certainly been acting like a bonehead lately. No doubt about it. Why on earth he's making himself such an easy tabloid target, only Jon knows. But. I think there is some truth to what he's saying, just as there is some truth to what Kate says. And when it's all said and done, each is no better than the other. They're both responsible for the breakdown of the marriage, IMO.

 

[Seahunt]

I don't understand Jon saying Kate left him for a career?? Wasn't she doing that all along?

JMO but I think he's talking about her taking things to the next level, celebrity wise. Like when she had 50 different events scheduled - that's a lot more than just taping the show. I don't think Jon wanted to go there, just not much ambition KWIM? I think Kate is the driving force in their empire - I just hope that it's all worth it in the end (for the kids).

And just my 2 cents on the rest too, sorry I have always thought and have posted here before that maybe when she went to those events with Steve, she saw what life would be like with a real man, and liked it. And still I like to hope that there wasn't a physical affair between them, but the emotional aspects alone might have opened her eyes to something better out there.

Star magazine reports in its new issue that Kate took her three sons to Wyoming for five days, starting July 29.

Oh, and also along to rough it? Bodyguard Steve Neild, says Star

I wouldn't be surprised to start to see Kate and Steve out as a couple more and more, now that the public is disgusted with Jon and ready for Kate to move on. Hopefully they would be happy together and it would be good for the kids to see a true adult relationship, instead of mommy raising another child/husband.

 

[GeorgiaPeach8]

JMO but I think he's talking about her taking things to the next level, celebrity wise. Like when she had 50 different events scheduled - that's a lot more than just taping the show.

I guess this is what he is talking about but it really doesn't make sense. This career is partly based on her relationship with him. I mean does anyone think Jon was putting his foot down and saying--I will absolutely not tolerate you writing another book or going on a book tour. And if the argument is that he wouldn't sign for another season of the show, then why is he complaining about her getting more airtime.

IMO, his arguments (although I do agree match Jodi/Kevin) don't make sense.

 

[kidshop]

JMO but I think he's talking about her taking things to the next level, celebrity wise. Like when she had 50 different events scheduled - that's a lot more than just taping the show. I don't think Jon wanted to go there, just not much ambition KWIM? I think Kate is the driving force in their empire - I just hope that it's all worth it in the end (for the kids).

And just my 2 cents on the rest too, sorry I have always thought and have posted here before that maybe when she went to those events with Steve, she saw what life would be like with a real man, and liked it. And still I like to hope that there wasn't a physical affair between them, but the emotional aspects alone might have opened her eyes to something better out there.

Star magazine reports in its new issue that Kate took her three sons to Wyoming for five days, starting July 29.

Oh, and also along to rough it? Bodyguard Steve Neild, says Star

I wouldn't be surprised to start to see Kate and Steve out as a couple more and more, now that the public is disgusted with Jon and ready for Kate to move on. Hopefully they would be happy together and it would be good for the kids to see a true adult relationship, instead of mommy raising another child/husband.

It is very interesting that Steve disappeared right after the NC trip (filmed) and the rumor that Mady saw them together. He was a daily fixture for a l o n g time and then poof! he's gone. I cannot verify whether he is married/separated/divorced. It's all very murky!

 

[kritter]

http://www.radaronline.com/photos/image/14921/2009/08/jon-gosselins-sleep-overs

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/08/exclusive-jon-gosselin’s-new-sleepover-pal-model

 

[kritter]

Sorry, if this one was already posted::

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/07/brother-says-hes-lost-kate-gosselin-fame-slams-show

 

[Buckalew11]

So what will the kids think someday when they read this self-serving nonsense? Daddy regrets having us because he lost his 20's?...

Good grief, get over it already.

Even if he has these thoughts, he shouldn't make them vocal. how hurtful for the kids someday.


I don't think Jon is all bad. I think he has some nice qualitities and seems very likeable. However, I personally would not be able to get over the bad stuuf (in my eyes) to adore the good stuff in him.

I think Glassman might be able to because she is not his wife, the mother of his 8 children. He doesn't need permission from her because they aren't married nor do they have kids. Otherwise, he'd have the same type story.

Maybe some woman would have more respect for him than Kate (depends on how he acts and how responsible he needs to be) but I think he is comparing apples to oranges myself.

We are the parents of one child. My DH *asks* for permission to bike, train etc. all the time. I don't think I have ever said, "No, you can't ride to today." However, if I had 3 more kids at home, guess what? His life would be very different and he would be biking, running or training for an Ironman so easily. Now, if he left me, he could train as much as he wanted. If he got a GF he could train as much as she's let him too. But once they had a kid, his life would change--forever.

I just think Jon missed that part about being a daddy. It totally changes your life, priorities, etc.
I think jon loves the kids, likes being with them etc. but I do not think he totally understands what the call to parenthood is really like--esp. with 8 little ones!

 

[newtodis]

That's not the way Jon is saying it did. And his story jives with what Kevin & Jodi were saying in the interviews earlier this year. And it also jives with what Jon's mother said in the one interview with Star magazine -- she said he was going to be portrayed differently than how it really was.

(I'm two pages behind, so I'm sure the link to Jon's InTouch interview has been posted by now ... )

I would *hope* that Jon's story and those on "his side" would all match....but Jon just said he hasn't spoken to Kevin and Jodi for months and they didn't know what was going on.... It's all VERY confusing that's for sure!!

ETA: What link to the InTouch interview?? I tried looking for the actual article but can't seem to find it....