Jon and Kate Plus 8 Official Thread - Part 5

[redrosesix]

I keep hearing so much negativity about Kate, and an earlier post mentioned how she has no relationship with relatives and friends. Sometimes there are situations in families that are out of ones control, and while it may be ideal to have a wonderful, close relationship with family, it isn't always possible.

Jon seems to be a case study in immaturity. Really, a grown man with 8 children needs to be the grown- up and not be out at bars and chasing women. I think it is telling that she was very worried about his reaction to the placement of the Crooked Houses and that was the episode where they announced their separation. At that point in the relationship she shouldn't care if he is angry or not, but she said her stomach was in knots. She was correct in not giving in to his whim of placing the houses way back in the woods! He acts like a huge baby, actually a ninth child! She has to corral him to help her
out. He is usually off somewhere else chatting or playing when she is left to handle whatever the situation is at the time. He has always seemed unable to step up and take the initiative to help out!

Ok, so you hate Jon and you think Kate is perfect -- I respectfully disagree with your spin on things. Not that I want to be put in the position of defending Jon.

There's one problem with this analogy, the TV viewing public of today isn't the same as the one before the photos of Jon and the Coeds hit. Many millions more viewers know of the couple now as opposed to back then. Before Michael Jackson kicked the bucket a large part of the national media was fixated on J&K. At work we have TVs in certain locations tuned to HLN, Fox News, CNN, and MSNBC. In the days after their announcement, whenever I passed one of these TVs they were talking about J&K what seemed about half of the time. While it wouldn't be reasonable to expect an audience for this week's show to rival the "announcement" show, you would have expected that the media attention would have resulted in some residual numbers... especially since TCL positioned the show as some sort of "post mortem" look at what happened to their marriage over ten years. It didn't happen at all. In comparison, the show averaged almost 3 million viewers in Season 4.

You make a great point. I would have thought that the number of people who had tuned out in disgust would be far less than those who tuned in out of curiosity, even people who had never watched the show before.

Yes, sounds like a backlash.

 

[whitneyNC]

Jon seems to be a case study in immaturity. Really, a grown man with 8 children needs to be the grown- up and not be out at bars and chasing women. I think it is telling that she was very worried about his reaction to the placement of the Crooked Houses and that was the episode where they announced their separation. At that point in the relationship she shouldn't care if he is angry or not, but she said her stomach was in knots. She was correct in not giving in to his whim of placing the houses way back in the woods! He acts like a huge baby, actually a ninth child! She has to corral him to help her
out. He is usually off somewhere else chatting or playing when she is left to handle whatever the situation is at the time. He has always seemed unable to step up and take the initiative to help out!

I disagree. Jon has his faults, obviously. I think he is hesitant to take the initiative because for their entire relationship many of his ideas have been shot down by Kate. She is highly critical if she does let him have his way, and things don't go perfectly. The dogs are a good example of this. After a while, most people would question their own decision making ability and eventually take a back seat.

I think the fact that he is playing with the kids instead of fretting over a "moldy" fridge soon to be replaced by a new stainless sub zero is a good thing. Is he attentive to Kate? Didn't appear to be in the last year or more. Is he hands on and good with the kids? Usually I think so. I remember him being really short with them on the walk in the woods. A terrible episode in my opinion, and about the time I felt like their marriage was over.

This new house seems to be a source of frustration for him. Being angry with a spouse, or a decision you felt forced in to is no reason to take it out on innocent kids. I bet he'll be a better divorced dad than an unhappily married dad. I hope the same is true for Kate. I hope she enjoys the day to day monotony of being a mom. I don't see it.

 

[redrosesix]

I bet he'll be a better divorced dad than an unhappily married dad.

I just have to agree with this point.

 

[MICKEY4EVER!]

Sorry, I have three kids too and my breasts would never stand straight up all by themselves like hers do. I could push them up with a good bra, but they wont stay up all by themselves. That picture of her in the blue bikini, you can clearly see that the top is not even underneath her breats. Its just laying on top, no support at all. Looking at the old clips they showed this week of her in bathing suits, she definately had work done.
Nothing wrong with that, more power to her. Wish I could get it done!

 

[mrsksomeday]

I bet he'll be a better divorced dad than an unhappily married dad. I hope the same is true for Kate.

I agree with this, I think without the tension between them they can really focus on the kids and not at being angry with one another.

 

[3prettyprincesses]

Ok, so you hate Jon and you think Kate is perfect -- I respectfully disagree with your spin on things. Not that I want to be put in the position of defending Jon.

I didn't read her post to say she thinks Kate is perfect. A lot of what she said about Jon is correct IMO, he is acting like a young 20 something guy without responsibilities. How would any of us wives feel if, while we were out of town, our husband was out partying at the bars till 2am with a 23 year old when he was supposed to be home with the kids? Doesn't look good does it? I'd be pretty livid.

Now he's acting like a textbook mid-life crisis guy...sports car (check), hair plugs (check), immature clothing (check), 23 year old girlfriend (check, check). He needs to man up and accept the fact that even if he isn't married to Kate, he has 8 kids who love him and will one day read all this garbage online. Sheesh, he even said on the day of the 'big divorce announcement' that he doesn't talk to Deanna as much anymore since everything went down, which means he is still talking to her somewhat. I'd be furious if I were Kate and heard that. Obviously he has no qualms about cheating on his wife and talking about it. At least that's my take on it.

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

Now he's acting like a textbook mid-life crisis guy...sports car (check), hair plugs (check), immature clothing (check), 23 year old girlfriend (check, check). He needs to man up and accept the fact that even if he isn't married to Kate, he has 8 kids who love him and will one day read all this garbage online. Sheesh, he even said on the day of the 'big divorce announcement' that he doesn't talk to Deanna as much anymore since everything went down, which means he is still talking to her somewhat. I'd be furious if I were Kate and heard that. Obviously he has no qualms about cheating on his wife and talking about it. At least that's my take on it.

Earrings (check)

 

[DisneyFreaks]

I keep hearing so much negativity about Kate, and an earlier post mentioned how she has no relationship with relatives and friends. Sometimes there are situations in families that are out of ones control, and while it may be ideal to have a wonderful, close relationship with family, it isn't always possible.
Jon seems to be a case study in immaturity. Really, a grown man with 8 children needs to be the grown- up and not be out at bars and chasing women. I think it is telling that she was very worried about his reaction to the placement of the Crooked Houses and that was the episode where they announced their separation. At that point in the relationship she shouldn't care if he is angry or not, but she said her stomach was in knots. She was correct in not giving in to his whim of placing the houses way back in the woods! He acts like a huge baby, actually a ninth child! She has to corral him to help her
out. He is usually off somewhere else chatting or playing when she is left to handle whatever the situation is at the time. He has always seemed unable to step up and take the initiative to help out!

I so agree with your post. My heart went out to her over those crooked houses. Just by her reaction I could tell he's not an easy person to get along with. (My father used to be that way when my mother disagreed with him.) What was Jon thinking wanting to place those play houses down in the woods? With all the press this family gets that was just a downright dangerous thing to do. I was so glad to see she got her way and they were put where she could see them and watch over her children.

 

[3prettyprincesses]

Earrings (check)

Oh man, how did I overlook those? They were so twinkly on the show that it looked like his ears had been sprinkled with pixie dust!

 

[mrsksomeday]

I agree the crooked houses ended up in a better place, but she had months to walk down there and check out where he was clearing. To wait until the day they showed up and then change the plans was inconsiderate and embarrassing in front of the crooked house people and the camera crew.

She should have paid attention to what he was doing in the woods, how far away it was, and said something earlier. I had an exhusband that would go along with things and not pay attention (like Kate) then want to change plans at the last minute, it was extremely frustrating and one of the many reasons he is an EX.

 

[mhsjax]

I so agree with your post. My heart went out to her over those crooked houses. Just by her reaction I could tell he's not an easy person to get along with. (My father used to be that way when my mother disagreed with him.) What was Jon thinking wanting to place those play houses down in the woods? With all the press this family gets that was just a downright dangerous thing to do. I was so glad to see she got her way and they were put where she could see them and watch over her children.

You have got to be kidding me, not an easy person to get along with? Well probably true now that he has found the set that he was born with. That woman has never had a problem telling him EXACTLY what he was doing wrong, that is until now, when she needs the sympathy vote. Don't get me wrong, Jon is far from perfect, but she almost always gets her way.

And him placing them down there in the woods was because of all the press, in his mind he would be keeping the kids out of their view. I do think they both have valid points for wanting the houses where they did.

 

[mhsjax]

I didn't read her post to say she thinks Kate is perfect. A lot of what she said about Jon is correct IMO, he is acting like a young 20 something guy without responsibilities. How would any of us wives feel if, while we were out of town, our husband was out partying at the bars till 2am with a 23 year old when he was supposed to be home with the kids? Doesn't look good does it? I'd be pretty livid.

Now he's acting like a textbook mid-life crisis guy...sports car (check), hair plugs (check), immature clothing (check), 23 year old girlfriend (check, check). He needs to man up and accept the fact that even if he isn't married to Kate, he has 8 kids who love him and will one day read all this garbage online. Sheesh, he even said on the day of the 'big divorce announcement' that he doesn't talk to Deanna as much anymore since everything went down, which means he is still talking to her somewhat. I'd be furious if I were Kate and heard that. Obviously he has no qualms about cheating on his wife and talking about it. At least that's my take on it.

If I remember correctly the hair plugs were probably for Kate, she is the one who kept making digs about his hair loss. And lets not forget that this wonderful mother left her SICK
kids to go out of town with Jon to get those hair plugs.

The rest I agree with you, but not the hair plugs.

 

[redrosesix]

You have got to be kidding me, not an easy person to get along with? Well probably true now that he has found the set that he was born with. That woman has never had a problem telling him EXACTLY what he was doing wrong, that is until now, when she needs the sympathy vote. Don't get me wrong, Jon is far from perfect, but she almost always gets her way.

And him placing them down there in the woods was because of all the press, in his mind he would be keeping the kids out of their view. I do think they both have valid points for wanting the houses where they did.

totally agree with this post -- and I would have put the houses in the woods. As a matter of fact, right now DD9 is playing in the nature trail at our campground -- no way would I put the houses up front so everybody could watch the kids play. So what if they're supposed to be doing a plug for the Crooked House Co. in exchange for getting free houses?

Maybe Kate wanted them close to the house so she wouldn't have to go to the woods with the kids -- Maybe Jon was willing to hang out in the woods with the kids until they were old enough to be there on their own (that would be me or DH) at which point having them in the woods would be the only right place to put them. Two very different people had 2 very different points of view based on 2 very different sets of facts.

I'm willing to let the crooked house issue go for now, since I know they can always be moved later.

BTW, I also have never seen Jon as hard to get along with. Maybe he didn't offer enough input, or didn't do it at the right time (eg. could have said "since we're going to the Crayola factory, I insist the kids wear clothes that are ok to get dirty" -- he didn't), but I see him as backing down every time, and would go so far as to say he didn't stick up for his kids enough with her.

 

[LoraJ]

I didn't read her post to say she thinks Kate is perfect. A lot of what she said about Jon is correct IMO, he is acting like a young 20 something guy without responsibilities. How would any of us wives feel if, while we were out of town, our husband was out partying at the bars till 2am with a 23 year old when he was supposed to be home with the kids? Doesn't look good does it? I'd be pretty livid.

Now he's acting like a textbook mid-life crisis guy...sports car (check), hair plugs (check), immature clothing (check), 23 year old girlfriend (check, check). He needs to man up and accept the fact that even if he isn't married to Kate, he has 8 kids who love him and will one day read all this garbage online. Sheesh, he even said on the day of the 'big divorce announcement' that he doesn't talk to Deanna as much anymore since everything went down, which means he is still talking to her somewhat. I'd be furious if I were Kate and heard that. Obviously he has no qualms about cheating on his wife and talking about it. At least that's my take on it.

Yup!!!

Totally agree!!!

 

[Epcot luvr]

I agree the crooked houses ended up in a better place, but she had months to walk down there and check out where he was clearing. To wait until the day they showed up and then change the plans was inconsiderate and embarrassing in front of the crooked house people and the camera crew.

She should have paid attention to what he was doing in the woods, how far away it was, and said something earlier. I had an exhusband that would go along with things and not pay attention (like Kate) then want to change plans at the last minute, it was extremely frustrating and one of the many reasons he is an EX.

I guess being on the road, tanning, teeth whitening, shopping, starbucks, she kinda wasn't thinking about the crooked houses That was a big project and with that many people invilved it would have been nice of her to speak up than wait till the day of. I bet those guys had families they wanted to get home to and not be put in the middle of a marital dispute.They just wanted to put up those houses.
Sorry to hear about your past relationship, it sounds like you are much better off

 

[DreaGirl]

Clothing project on hold.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/07/exclusive-kate-gosselin’s-clothing-project-hold

 

[madge]

Clothing project on hold.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/07/exclusive-kate-gosselin’s-clothing-project-hold

I wonder who made that decision. Kate, Health-tex, or Wal-Mart.

 

[Epcot luvr]

I wonder who made that decision. Kate, Health-tex, or Wal-Mart.

My magic ball says " not kate "

 

[3prettyprincesses]

I guess being on the road, tanning, teeth whitening, shopping, starbucks, she kinda wasn't thinking about the crooked houses That was a big project and with that many people invilved it would have been nice of her to speak up than wait till the day of. I bet those guys had families they wanted to get home to and not be put in the middle of a marital dispute.They just wanted to put up those houses.
Sorry to hear about your past relationship, it sounds like you are much better off

Jon had his teeth whitened too, they actually went together didn't they? Shopping? Do you mean Target, the grocery store and the party store? I go there too without my kids. Starbucks? Yup, I go there too (waaaay too many times a week!). She was out on the book tour, not going on vacations or hitting up bars.

What's Jon been doing when he was supposed to be home with the kids? Bar hopping and hanging out with his 'girlfriend'. How about skipping out on Kate's b-day to go to Utah with his girlfriend. When you compare the two, Kate doesn't look so bad IMO.

Back on topic...as far as the crooked houses go (I still think they are over-priced and teeny tiny inside) Kate said Jon decided where they would go originally. She probably assumed he would've picked a spot closer to the house and didn't think about it again till the day of delivery. Given their communication issues of late, they probably haven't had too many discussions about things. With all the ridiculous paparazzi staking out around their property, I'd want the crooked houses closer. I guess that makes me paranoid. Putting them way back in the woods seemed pretty far away to me. I would have made DH (in a nice and loving way of course ) move the site closer to the house. But that's just me. It seems like the tups will get more use out of them anyway since they're younger, so having them closer would make me feel better.

 

[3prettyprincesses]

Clothing project on hold.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/07/exclusive-kate-gosselin’s-clothing-project-hold

I wonder who made that decision. Kate, Health-tex, or Wal-Mart.

I thought that was just a rumor! Well I guess not then. I wonder too who made that decision.