Jon and Kate Plus 8 Official Thread - Part 5

[mrsksomeday]

Sorry to hear about your past relationship, it sounds like you are much better off

Thanks, I am now with the love of my life that introduced me to Walt Disney World, so I am much better off.

 

[mrsksomeday]

She was out on the book tour, not going on vacations or hitting up bars.

As I said in another post I agree the houses were put in a good place, but how many minutes does it take to walk down to where Jon was clearing the trees? Five minutes, ten minutes tops? She didn't involve herself until the day of the placement. She let him do all that then just vetoed it in front of everyone. I wouldn't have argued either with the cameras rolling.

She had no right to get the Crooked House guys involved in talking him into changing his mind either. IF it is always "all for the kids" she would have walked down there. Heck she could have walked down there when he was out bar hopping and not even had to see him down there.

 

[OceanAnnie]

As I said in another post I agree the houses were put in a good place, but how many minutes does it take to walk down to where Jon was clearing the trees? Five minutes, ten minutes tops? She didn't involve herself until the day of the placement. She let him do all that then just vetoed it in front of everyone. I wouldn't have argued either with the cameras rolling.

She had no right to get the Crooked House guys involved in talking him into changing his mind either. IF it is always "all for the kids" she would have walked down there. Heck she could have walked down there when he was out bar hopping and not even had to see him down there.

Who was Jon talking to on the cell phone while he was clearing the area for the trees? I thought it was Kate. He sounded pretty definitive, something like, "I'm clearing the area and that's where they are going.", and he hung up. To me it didn't seem like much room for negotiating.

 

[mrsksomeday]

How would you feel if it was the day the houses were coming and she called down there to completely change where they were being placed? I would have hung up on her too. She should have cared before the semi pulled up unloading.

ETA: I could be wrong about the timing but that is how TLC edited it.

 

[redrosesix]

As I said in another post I agree the houses were put in a good place, but how many minutes does it take to walk down to where Jon was clearing the trees? Five minutes, ten minutes tops? She didn't involve herself until the day of the placement. She let him do all that then just vetoed it in front of everyone. I wouldn't have argued either with the cameras rolling.

She had no right to get the Crooked House guys involved in talking him into changing his mind either. IF it is always "all for the kids" she would have walked down there. Heck she could have walked down there when he was out bar hopping and not even had to see him down there.

Yes, a classic Kate move -- the "I'm always right and I'm always thinking about the kids and Jon is always stupid" move. It's one thing to disagree with your spouse, or ex-spouse, and have a debate about something for the kids -- it's totally different to make a point to put them in their place in front of others.

 

[OceanAnnie]

How would you feel if it was the day the houses were coming and she called down there to completely change where they were being placed? I would have hung up on her too. She should have cared before the semi pulled up unloading.

ETA: I could be wrong about the timing but that is how TLC edited it.

I would've felt glad and I would've said, "What was I thinking? You are right! We can't watch the kids in the woods and on the lawn too! I'm glad you called! I love you, honey!".

 

[3prettyprincesses]

Who was Jon talking to on the cell phone while he was clearing the area for the trees? I thought it was Kate. He sounded pretty definitive, something like, "I'm clearing the area and that's where they are going.", and he hung up. To me it didn't seem like much room for negotiating.

Yes, he was talking to Kate on his earpiece phone. He bluntly said, nope I cleared the land and that's where they're going, good-bye. Kate even said when she was about to call him that her stomach was churning because she knew he'd get upset.

 

[LoraJ]

He did say he really enjoys bulldozing down trees. Now they have a campsite. win win.

 

[mum4jenn]

Yes, he was talking to Kate on his earpiece phone. He bluntly said, nope I cleared the land and that's where they're going, good-bye. Kate even said when she was about to call him that her stomach was churning because she knew he'd get upset.

I think that was all a game on her part. She was going for sympathy. She yells at him so much in other shows and then all of a sudden she plays the "meek little housewife" who is scared of her big bad husband. In any normal show she would have been having a total hissy fit and he would just go along with it to shut her up.

 

[Buckalew11]

I think she really dreaed telling him that the woods were not the right place for those houses. And IMO, she was right.

I was glad to see Jon driving the bobcat/tractor. He looked so manly up there wearing his diamonds. He may have been humming that ol' tune, "she thinks my trator's sexy". LOL

 

[tinatark]

Ironic in Monday's episode, when they were talking about the kids' personalities, one of the older ones was described as being "like John"... lets things go until she explodes. Very telling.

About the house placement, I understood that she knew where he wanted them, but was avoiding the conversation because he would explode.

He seems, since the separation, to be saying "NO" to Kate just because he can.

 

[OceanAnnie]

I think that was all a game on her part. She was going for sympathy. She yells at him so much in other shows and then all of a sudden she plays the "meek little housewife" who is scared of her big bad husband. In any normal show she would have been having a total hissy fit and he would just go along with it to shut her up.

Interesting. What game is Jon playing? The big partying frat man? Carrying on with young women in bars in how many states? Leaving his wife and family at home to party. Then he hops on a tractor to be big daddy? He is mad at Kate and doesn't want to talk to her? How does that work? I would guess since he's playing that game, by not talking, he didn't have to own up to what he was doing and could continue without responsibility. It appears as though he did that until the bitter end. That had to be humiliating for her.

They both have issues.

 

[Anjelica]

Ironic in Monday's episode, when they were talking about the kids' personalities, one of the older ones was described as being "like John"... lets things go until she explodes. Very telling.

About the house placement, I understood that she knew where he wanted them, but was avoiding the conversation because he would explode.

He seems, since the separation, to be saying "NO" to Kate just because he can.

I agree - you can't act one way for 10 years, flip a switch on your personality and expect it to be ok. Kate seems to have the same personality, albeit maybe a little more exaggerated at time, than she did at 10 years ago.

 

[whitneyNC]

Interesting. What game is Jon playing? The big partying frat man? Carrying on with young women in bars in how many states? Leaving his wife and family at home to party. Then he hops on a tractor to be big daddy? He is mad at Kate and doesn't want to talk to her? How does that work? I would guess since he's playing that game, by not talking, he didn't have to own up to what he was doing and could continue without responsibility. It appears as though he did that until the bitter end. That had to be humiliating for her.

They both have issues.

I don't see it that way. I think they were separated when he was photographed wherever. I don't think he handled it right, but it's not like Kate was left at home wrapped in a blanket all night by the window waiting up for Jon.
He has been alone with those kids while she is traveling, a lot. Yeah, I know people say she's working, whatever, she's gone. When he worked outside the home, he still took care of them, alot. When she's home she's running errands constantly; or making appearances however you see it.
We don't know why he wasn't talking to her, but at the end of last season she was absolutely not phased by the way he was feeling, and he did a pretty good job of verbalizing this. She was only determined to continue with the show. I do agree they both have issues, but it is obvious to me she is playing the victim. I don't think that's how this whole story will eventually unfold though. Kate should be humiliated, but not necessarily because of Jon's behavior. I would be humiliated if I told my husband that he "breathed too loud" on television and it was immortalized to be played over, and over, and over...

 

[OceanAnnie]

I don't see it that way. I think they were separated when he was photographed wherever. I don't think he handled it right, but it's not like Kate was left at home wrapped in a blanket all night by the window waiting up for Jon.
He has been alone with those kids while she is traveling, a lot. Yeah, I know people say she's working, whatever, she's gone. When he worked outside the home, he still took care of them, alot. When she's home she's running errands constantly; or making appearances however you see it.
We don't know why he wasn't talking to her, but at the end of last season she was absolutely not phased by the way he was feeling, and he did a pretty good job of verbalizing this. She was only determined to continue with the show. I do agree they both have issues, but it is obvious to me she is playing the victim. I don't think that's how this whole story will eventually unfold though. Kate should be humiliated, but not necessarily because of Jon's behavior. I would be humiliated if I told my husband that he "breathed too loud" on television and it was immortalized to be played over, and over, and over...

I agree with the bolded. I don't think he handled it right either. No matter how she treated him, there isn't an excuse in what he did. He hurt not only her, but his children as well.

I do think Kate has issues of her own. But then, I'd probably have issues too with 8 kids.

There is so much that isn't known, won't be known, and probably shouldn't be known. I do hope they both find peace and that the children can escape the lime-light. It's bad enough that this is unfolding in the media, going to school with all of this attention would be 100 times worse.

 

[redrosesix]

I don't see it that way. I think they were separated when he was photographed wherever. I don't think he handled it right, but it's not like Kate was left at home wrapped in a blanket all night by the window waiting up for Jon.
He has been alone with those kids while she is traveling, a lot. Yeah, I know people say she's working, whatever, she's gone. When he worked outside the home, he still took care of them, alot. When she's home she's running errands constantly; or making appearances however you see it.
We don't know why he wasn't talking to her, but at the end of last season she was absolutely not phased by the way he was feeling, and he did a pretty good job of verbalizing this. She was only determined to continue with the show. I do agree they both have issues, but it is obvious to me she is playing the victim. I don't think that's how this whole story will eventually unfold though. Kate should be humiliated, but not necessarily because of Jon's behavior. I would be humiliated if I told my husband that he "breathed too loud" on television and it was immortalized to be played over, and over, and over...

Yes, I think they were already separated a long time ago. Everything that's come out since the divorce announcement points to that, despite TLC's efforts to cover that up -- they both carried on with the charade for the sake of the show (which he clearly wanted out of).

I know that it's been said before, but I'll bother to say it again -- sure, Jon's behaviour wasn't acceptable (not because they were still a "married couple" at the time, but because he did it in public for people to talk about and for his children to see) but neither was Kate's (because years from now those kids can look back on all of those episodes and see how their mother talked to their father -- they might forget how bad things were at home, will probably block it out, but the episodes will live on forever) Neither one of them, and JMHO especially Kate have really fathomed the effect that this show will have on their kids, now or in the future.

Kate playing the victim now really doesn't work.

 

[DMRick]

double post. That hasn't happened in a long time!

 

[DMRick]

Well, then, I guess we can't even agree to disagree. I disagree with what you are saying. I don't believe the 'viewing public' has changed very much at all. I do agree that many who didn't know much about them tuned in for the train wreck because of the publicity, but now the wreck happened and they have moved on (because they found they still aren't interested) and we are back to the regular viewing public. Just knowing of them, doesn't mean those that didn't watch before will suddenly want to watch now. This is my opinion, and I'll respect yours (I just won't agree with it LOL).

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There's one problem with this analogy, the TV viewing public of today isn't the same as the one before the photos of Jon and the Coeds hit. Many millions more viewers know of the couple now as opposed to back then. Before Michael Jackson kicked the bucket a large part of the national media was fixated on J&K. At work we have TVs in certain locations tuned to HLN, Fox News, CNN, and MSNBC. In the days after their announcement, whenever I passed one of these TVs they were talking about J&K what seemed about half of the time. While it wouldn't be reasonable to expect an audience for this week's show to rival the "announcement" show, you would have expected that the media attention would have resulted in some residual numbers... especially since TCL positioned the show as some sort of "post mortem" look at what happened to their marriage over ten years. It didn't happen at all. In comparison, the show averaged almost 3 million viewers in Season 4.

 

[redrosesix]

Just found these videos, 3 parts of a 4 part interview with Jon, filmed in Utah when they were 3 1/2 years into the show. Sorry if they've been posted before, and sorry I couldn't find part 4.

http://jonandkateplus8fansite.blogspot.com/2009/05/jon-interview-video-part-1-rare-video.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arhKnTsMSOI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-mPwspGi3s&feature=related

Gee, he sure is different when he's not around Kate.

for me, this answered a lot of my questions.

 

[redrosesix]

And for those of you who just can't get enough of Kate's hair, here's a website where you can try it on yourself:

http://www.instyle.com/instyle/makeover/?action=showMakeover&tab=hair

I won't be doing that any time soon.