Jon and Kate Plus 8 Official Thread - Part 5

[daughtersrus]

I didn't pick up on that (Jon didn't move it after the kids got out I assme?), but I also didn't see anyone else in the restaurant, so maybe TLC rented the entire place.

It doesn't matter if they rented out the entire restaurant or not. Parking in a disabled spot without a hang tag or plates is still illegal. Just as it's illegal to use the spot to load or unload your family from if you do not have the tag or plates.

 

[whitneyNC]

I haven't watched the new show. I saw it on the other night and opted out on it. I just couldn't bear to see it after JK+8.

So since I haven't seen it, this opinion is based solely on what you wrote above. It sounds to me like the mom is a lot like Kate (and how I have always viewed Kate), with the exception of the kids being endangered, Kate always made sure her children were properly watched.

It sounds like the exact same premise and relationship dynamic. Even some of the same "story lines," but it doesn't sound like the J and K fans are jumping on board.

 

[DMRick]

It doesn't matter if they rented out the entire restaurant or not. Parking in a disabled spot without a hang tag or plates is still illegal. Just as it's illegal to use the spot to load or unload your family from if you do not have the tag or plates.

I don't know the laws or use. Like I said, I hadn't noticed it in any case. I just assumed if they rented the entire property it would be different, but if not, then shame on them.

 

[SueM in MN]

It doesn't matter if they rented out the entire restaurant or not. Parking in a disabled spot without a hang tag or plates is still illegal. Just as it's illegal to use the spot to load or unload your family from if you do not have the tag or plates.

exactly

 

[Eeyore'sthebest]

I watched the initial episode of the new show but probably won't be back for the rest. I did like their personalities but don't need to watch the train wreck that seems to be inevitable.
Here are the 2 issues that bugged me though.
I kind of wigged out that she would bring all 6 toddlers out at once and then put one at a time in the car. By the time she got to the 5th and 6th one they were out of the yard at the neighbors or on the street. Umm, get yourself a baby playyard and dump them in there for 5 minutes while you load them. I'm very anal about safety so this freaked me out.

It bugged me that she doesn't cook dinner for the two of them and then makes him go to a weight mgmt clinic because he's put on weight. Yeah, that's what happens when you work full time and you're forced to eat take out. Oh and the kids eat a steady diet of chicken nuggets and corn - daily. Kind of weird if you ask me.

Okay, back to J&K now.

 

[DMRick]

Other's feel it's different, so make your own opinion..I really didn't want to bash the show, but I had read where they said they learned from J & K and would do things differently. I'm not seeing that. I think once people's opinions get out there about how they feel about the husband (he just never does enough, she feels they both work, why is she stuck doing more, and they argue a lot about it he says..lots of competition in who does the most, althugh when he tries to say he does stuff too, she just shuts him up) I think their marriage might pay the price, even if they do kiss druing the show. I truly do not think this will last past one season, unless she quits her job and gets more sleep. The newly hired nanny, who was a friend didn't appear to be watching the kids on the second show, but their family was.

I haven't watched the new show. I saw it on the other night and opted out on it. I just couldn't bear to see it after JK+8.

So since I haven't seen it, this opinion is based solely on what you wrote above. It sounds to me like the mom is a lot like Kate (and how I have always viewed Kate), with the exception of the kids being endangered, Kate always made sure her children were properly watched.

 

[DMRick]

K & J are quiet right now, so I guess I can post about this new show.

I couldn't believe she took her kids with her and in the room for her pre op consult, although she did say at least people like to hold her kids, so they helped her out of the van (the van had a big sign on the door. I thought it said, donated by Grand Canyon University class of 2029.) with the 6 kids once she got to the office. The kids were wild, and out of control in the doctor's examine room, and her MIL who works there finally took them out of the room. The MIL was having a rough time controlling them out in her office.

They asked her, when she went in for the surgery where her husband was, and she said he would be there later, for the actual surgery, because sleep was more important to him than being there. Her dad took her for the surgery (her husband did show up in time for the surgery).

I actually had a hard time taking it all in..I couldn't follow all the kids, they were everywhere.

I kind of wigged out that she would bring all 6 toddlers out at once and then put one at a time in the car. By the time she got to the 5th and 6th one they were out of the yard at the neighbors or on the street. Umm, get yourself a baby playyard and dump them in there for 5 minutes while you load them. I'm very anal about safety so this freaked me out.

 

[3prettyprincesses]

I think it's sad that the media are so 'hungry' for pictures that they are chasing people around (hoping to find something that can have a big deal made of it).

I agree.
I don't necessarily agree that all these reality shows with kids are a good thing, but it is much different than the Dionne Quintuplets life.
They were basically raised in a 24 hour a day daycare situation where any staff they were getting too close to were transferred out. They had a play area that was surrounded by a screened 'observation area' where they were put on display several times a day. They could see the shadowy figures of people filing by and could hear whispers. Basically, a human zoo.
They went from that very impersonal environment into the home with their family (who were pretty much strangers to them according to the books that the Dionne Quintuplets wrote later; they did not even speak the same language). The Dionnes were also not raised as individuals, but more as a group.
So, much different.

It's still illegal unless they had a valid handicapped parking permit (people do it all the time though)

I agree; for whatever reasons, I think Kate was willing to work on things and John was not.
Both of them are at fault.
Kate is a control freak and I would not want to live with her, but I agree with the person who posted a number of pages back that Jon is a passive-agressive wuss. When you look at episodes even from the early days, she is more 'out there' with negativity, but he is just as negative. He's just not as obvious about it.

And, you have to remember that we are only seeing little bits of what actually happened; heavily edited.

Yup, I agree with what you said. My point was that the Dionne quints had a very different life than the Gosselin kids. I've always thought they (Gosselin kids) were pretty happy, well-mannered, nice children who interact very well with adults. I realize it's an edited show but still, they appear that way to me at least.

Kate is a control freak and I used to be hyper-critical of her. Now I've loosened up and realized alot of that probably was her way of handling the stress of all those kids (and Jon). I don't agree with some of the ways she's handled things but then again, I've got a few stories of my own when I went all 'Kate'! Jon is passive-aggressive and as several others have said, gave as good as he got. However, that kind of dynamic in a marriage seems to be somewhat uncompatible (sp). Y'all want to feel better about yourselves? Here ya go...a couple of weeks ago I freaked because for the 1 millioneth time my kids had made huge messes of their rooms (toys everywhere, clean clothes in the dirty laundry, etc.). I was screaming and yelling while my kids looked at me in horror! Then my oldest daughter looked me straight in the face and said Mommy, you sound just like Kate! I actually laughed at that and thought, hmmm, how would I look to the world if I had camera filming me? Probably not so good! Anyhoo, as many others have said, J&K had issues that probably made them both bitter toward one another. I will say that Kate appeared willing to try but Jon appeared ready to move on.

 

[Jennifer48]

I bet Kate has a pair. I bet they sent her some when they sent the kids shoes. She probably wears them around the house where no one can see her. She'll slip up and wear them outside soon, I'm sure of it.

Kate does have a pair. They are pink. She wore them in the NC episode for the July 4th trip last year. I'm sure she's worn them before and I just didn't notice until then. I've stopped watching the show but like someone said before, this thread is addictive!

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

I agree that anyone can find something "wrong" with another person -regardless if they're on tv or not. I find myself a lot saying "wow, if that were me...." then I stop and say "really? what happened five minutes before?" and walk away because I know I don't know what happened with them five minutes before to see if that action warranted the behaviour. I *try* to be a "good" person but sometimes it's much easier to point out "wrongs" in others than in ourselves.

Awesome post!

It is so easy to look at someone else's life and say "well I would never......" but usually we don't know all the circumstances. I keep telling myself to remember this every time I want to slap Jon.

I do hope they get some relief from the media for awhile.

 

[redrosesix]

Kate is a control freak and I used to be hyper-critical of her. Now I've loosened up and realized alot of that probably was her way of handling the stress of all those kids (and Jon). I don't agree with some of the ways she's handled things but then again, I've got a few stories of my own when I went all 'Kate'! Jon is passive-aggressive and as several others have said, gave as good as he got. However, that kind of dynamic in a marriage seems to be somewhat uncompatible (sp). Y'all want to feel better about yourselves? Here ya go...a couple of weeks ago I freaked because for the 1 millioneth time my kids had made huge messes of their rooms (toys everywhere, clean clothes in the dirty laundry, etc.). I was screaming and yelling while my kids looked at me in horror! Then my oldest daughter looked me straight in the face and said Mommy, you sound just like Kate! I actually laughed at that and thought, hmmm, how would I look to the world if I had camera filming me? Probably not so good! Anyhoo, as many others have said, J&K had issues that probably made them both bitter toward one another. I will say that Kate appeared willing to try but Jon appeared ready to move on.

But really, we all have our times when we pull a Kate, but it would be such a small time span in the week that it would be edited out of a show (if we were being filmed). But I've seen rumours repeated that often TLC couldn't get 15 minutes worth showing out of an 8 hour day -- Kate ranting, them fighting. I'm not having too much trouble believing this. I'm pretty sure they wouldn't have signed on for subsequent seasons if they thought TLC was portraying them badly, or even if it was trying to show a balanced image.

Sorry, but I think that what we've seen of their family is as good as it gets. Your family, on the other hand, could probably get a lot more happy moments to fill up a 40 minute show every 2 weeks.

 

[DMRick]

But I've seen rumours repeated that often TLC couldn't get 15 minutes worth showing out of an 8 hour day -- Kate ranting, them fighting. .

That was told by Kate's brother and his wife during their interview on radar. He said that a camera person told him. I find that very hard to believe, since that would mean they would have had to tape for 16 hours to get a half hour show.
I also think (and it's just my opinion) that TLC likes to show Kate yelling..it seems to bring in more viewers and the show gets talked about more.
I could not have had a camera in my face while bringing up my kids..I had a lot less patience back then, than I do now.

hmm..now that I've edited it...8 hours for 15 minutes may not be that unusual LOL! 2 days a week.

 

[madge]

It sounds like the exact same premise and relationship dynamic. Even some of the same "story lines," but it doesn't sound like the J and K fans are jumping on board.

I ran across a JK8 fan board the other day ... and some of those people were downright harsh about this new show. And I thought it was almost laughable, because it's stuff these people have berated the non-JK8 fans for over the last year.

 

[3prettyprincesses]

But really, we all have our times when we pull a Kate, but it would be such a small time span in the week that it would be edited out of a show (if we were being filmed). But I've seen rumours repeated that often TLC couldn't get 15 minutes worth showing out of an 8 hour day -- Kate ranting, them fighting. I'm not having too much trouble believing this. I'm pretty sure they wouldn't have signed on for subsequent seasons if they thought TLC was portraying them badly, or even if it was trying to show a balanced image.

Sorry, but I think that what we've seen of their family is as good as it gets. Your family, on the other hand, could probably get a lot more happy moments to fill up a 40 minute show every 2 weeks.

Well that's very sweet of you to say! I wonder if my kids would agree...

If it is true that their fighting was so frequent they could barely get 15 minutes, then that' pretty bad. However, I think that was more J&K's issues not Kate interacting with the kids. I do remember Kate saying in her Larry King Live interview that TLC does the editing and she and Jon don't have a say unless it pertains to the children. I *think* she said there were episodes of herself that made her cringe or feel regret that she wishes could be taken back.

For the record, I thought your saying was pretty darn funny! 'Pulling a Kate'. Who hasn't had one of those moments?

 

[DMRick]

I ran across a JK8 fan board the other day ... and some of those people were downright harsh about this new show. And I thought it was almost laughable, because it's stuff these people have berated the non-JK8 fans for over the last year.

Madge, I can watch the J & K show and actually enjoy it. I got no enjoyment out of this new show. I spend most of the time, wanting to jump off the chair wanting to 'save' a child from harm. If I watch it at all from here on out, it would be just to watch the train wreck.

I am watching it through 'been there done that' glasses of course, since they seem to actually have started the show where it took 4 seasons for J & K to get. So much of the husband and wife interaction is about who does the most work for the kids (and her comments about his weight). When she said he didn't do enough, he said he got them up, he fed them, he dressed them, all before he had to leave for work (he's getting his degree also, in addition to work). She then said she does a lot too, and one of them said, it's not a competition. They say that a lot and I've only seen two shows. It all sounds so familiar.

 

[MICKEY4EVER!]

Other's feel it's different, so make your own opinion..I really didn't want to bash the show, but I had read where they said they learned from J & K and would do things differently. I'm not seeing that. I think once people's opinions get out there about how they feel about the husband (he just never does enough, she feels they both work, why is she stuck doing more, and they argue a lot about it he says..lots of competition in who does the most, althugh when he tries to say he does stuff too, she just shuts him up) I think their marriage might pay the price, even if they do kiss druing the show. I truly do not think this will last past one season, unless she quits her job and gets more sleep. The newly hired nanny, who was a friend didn't appear to be watching the kids on the second show, but their family was.

Whoo! Sounds like the wifey DOES need to take a nap! She sounds highly stressed... maybe I'll check it out so that I can form my own opinion.

 

[madge]

Madge, I can watch the J & K show and actually enjoy it. I got no enjoyment out of this new show. I spend most of the time, wanting to jump off the chair wanting to 'save' a child from harm. If I watch it at all from here on out, it would be just to watch the train wreck.

I should have been clearer, I guess. These people (on the JK8 fan board) were mostly making comments about the appearances and personalities of the children, talking about how not cute they are and and that it would affect the ratings of that show. I think it's harsh when people comment on the Gosselin children, so I think it's equally harsh when people comment on the Masche children. There's just no need in it. Keep the kids out of it, IMO.

One other comment I found interesting .. people on this blog were supporting (bordering on praising) Kate's discipline choice of spanking, but were appalled when the Masche mom smacked the hand of one of her children. They didn't want to watch a show where they see someone hit their children.

And just because they have sextuplets, that doesn't mean they deserve a show. LOL.

When people say that sort of thing about Kate, these are the ones (as I've seen on this blog, anyway) that are yelling and screaming about haters.

I haven't seen this show, and don't plan to watch it. I don't even know what channel it's on.

 

[DMRick]

I haven't seen this show, and don't plan to watch it. I don't even know what channel it's on.

It's on WE in case you want to use it as part of a 12 step program. However, I think it would do more to throw you back to J & K lol.

The children, IMO are very cute (when they aren't biting or hitting or screaming). Again IMO, I wonder if they were premature, because several of them have the look I often see on my own friends (and my own grandson) kids faces that were premature (sometimes I think it's the water in this area..so many kids born early). I can't describe it, but it reminds me of kids that don't have enough sleep. Small bags under their eyes, very delicate faces. I don't remember noticing that on the G's kids. They outgrown it, and I don't think it at all takes away the cuteness. On the other hand, that may just be what they look like. I think they are really cute, but then I seldom (if ever) see a child that isn't cute.

 

[madge]

It's on WE in case you want to use it as part of a 12 step program. However, I think it would do more to throw you back to J & K lol.

The children, IMO are very cute (when they aren't biting or hitting or screaming). Again IMO, I wonder if they were premature, because several of them have the look I often see on my own friends (and my own grandson) kids faces that were premature (sometimes I think it's the water in this area..so many kids born early). I can't describe it, but it reminds me of kids that don't have enough sleep. Small bags under their eyes, very delicate faces. I don't remember noticing that on the G's kids. They outgrown it, and I don't think it at all takes away the cuteness. On the other hand, that may just be what they look like. I think they are really cute, but then I seldom (if ever) see a child that isn't cute.

hmmm... I'll have to check. I'm not even sure I get the WE channel, although I probably do .. there's a million channels we get that we don't watch, so I can have the ones I do watch!

and I agree. I rarely, if ever, see a child that isn't cute in some form or fashion.

I won't be going back to that blog, either. It's the polar opposite (and not in a good way) of GWoP. I prefer balanced conversation & debate.

 

[kidshop]

It's on WE in case you want to use it as part of a 12 step program. However, I think it would do more to throw you back to J & K lol.

The children, IMO are very cute (when they aren't biting or hitting or screaming). Again IMO, I wonder if they were premature, because several of them have the look I often see on my own friends (and my own grandson) kids faces that were premature (sometimes I think it's the water in this area..so many kids born early). I can't describe it, but it reminds me of kids that don't have enough sleep. Small bags under their eyes, very delicate faces. I don't remember noticing that on the G's kids. They outgrown it, and I don't think it at all takes away the cuteness. On the other hand, that may just be what they look like. I think they are really cute, but then I seldom (if ever) see a child that isn't cute.

The G kids hit each other a lot, from what I recall. Also, they are dark complected and the M kids are very light skinned and blond aren't they? anyway, that might explain the differences.