Jon and Kate Plus 8 Official Thread - Part 5

[DMRick]

Oh no, on the raising sextuplets, he's on a diet, and she's giving him a hard time because he took a piece of her pancake. He said he lost 8 pounds already..she said he may gain back 4. And then she asked if he drank his shake. I feel like dejavu (except the kids are way nosier and into stuff).

The just had a 'meeting', where he said, our marriage has to survive this (paraphrasing) but I don't feel I'm a priority. I know you have 6 kids, but what about me....and she said, can't I be the needy one for the next year and a half..and then I'll make you the priority.

Am I the only one who see's where this is going? I don't think I give them as long as I gave K & J. She's just gone back to work and although I see they did hire a nanny, I don't think he can handle this when the nanny isn't there for very long. They both work full time, and he goes to school. Man, this is a family that should have waited to have kids til they had more time and money...oh, they will probably have more money soon with the show.

 

[JennaTX]

Not sure why the eye roll was necessary as it's very clear to many that she is not the same person she was just a few years ago.

She used to be a "frumpy" stay at home mom that was more focused on her children then on her appearance. Sweats, manageable hair do, little make up and no sense of style as she admitted herself.

Now she is completely aware of how she is dressed, is styled to the nines most times(think dog "shopping"), goes to the spa, gets her nails done, tans, has begun working out and has lost weight and is now a career woman that travels for days on end.

I am not saying that in any sort of a negative way but she has definitely changed as well and is definitely MUCH different then she was 2 years ago.

When my kids were 2 or 3 and younger, I also was a "frumpy" stay at home mom. I almost had a full time job keeping my DS from getting my lipstick and writing all over the wall with it.

Now since last year both kids are in school, I have changed also. I now have time for haircuts, highlights, pedicures, etc.

IMO having time for yourself as a Mom obviously changes as your children get older. They are able to amuse themselves, play together, and (thank goodness) you might have time to actually take a bubble bath!!! I'm sure by the time they are teenagers I will have a lot more free time.

 

[JennaTX]

Many people have commented that if we stop posting, and stop watching and stop checking the sites that this story will go away.

My question is, do you think that this story will somewhat die given today's events (Michael Jackson's death) and a new tabloid cover story for the next few weeks?

I mean in three or four weeks (or however long this will be cover worthy news) I wonder if the tabloids will just pick up where they have left off with Jon and Kate or will they have found something new?

Just a question.....

(Actually, I am one who is for the kids, and this may be a blessing in disguise. I never wish ill on anyone, but given that the tabloids will follow the MJ story for the next few weeks, it might give the Gosselins a "break" and perhaps they will rethink their fame. Just a thought...)

I hope that the MJ death (which is horrible) will take the eyes off this family for awhile. If so, this might eliminate the "he said, she said" that was sure to be in the magazines for the next week or so.

 

[JennaTX]

I did think of that. He was another child star who had a lot of troubles.

My question to Kate would be: what would it take to get you to stop filming your kids?

I keep seeing this and I am truly curious...why is it only Kate that has to stop the filming....the kids do have a Dad who has a say also.

So what happens once the divorce is final and those (not meaning you) that say it was only Kate that wanted the filming, but it still continues with Jon's permission? Would the question then be " What would it take to get Jon to stop filming his kids?"

 

[madge]

I keep seeing this and I am truly curious...why is it only Kate that has to stop the filming....the kids do have a Dad who has a say also.

So what happens once the divorce is final and those (not meaning you) that say it was only Kate that wanted the filming, but it still continues with Jon's permission? Would the question then be " What would it take to get Jon to stop filming his kids?"

I absolutely agree. Just because Jon whined on TV about the loss of his privacy, and how he doesn't like doing the show ... I think that's all it was. A whole lot of whining. When it all comes down to it, Jon appears to enjoy the material benefits of fame as much as Kate. He may not be in a big hurry to stop the show, either.

 

[emer95]

I used to watch this show with my daughters (8 and 10) because they loved the Gosselin kids, but when the show became more about a failing marriage I stopped letting them watch it. I did let them know that Jon and Kate are getting a divorce, because kids at school talk about it all the time and I wanted them to hear it from me. I explained that the shows would start up again in August. My 8 year old said:

"Wait a minute. Their parents are getting a divorce, and they're still going to have a TV SHOW?!?!?"

That about sums it up for me, too. Sometimes 8 year olds have more sense than television executives.

 

[Buckalew11]

I swear, I am not Buckalew. As I said a long time ago, it would be helpful if you just changed your name LOL.

Yes, it would help me too, it seems!

I just watched Raising Sextuplets for the first time

Oh, my goodness. Is there a thread started on them yet? Unbelievable! Did people really say they learned from K & J what not to do? She insists on keeping a tree and moving it from the front to the back, he doesn't want it, too much work to clean up after it, they keep it (of course, I didn't think he was going to win that one) and someone moves it (it's a huge tree) with a crane. He admits he likes it and she was right.

His mom comes in and does laundry with a friend..did they really say they do 35-40 loads??? Don't they do any in between the help coming? Who owns that many clothes? (I thought they said their cousin or niece also lives with them to help..or did, maybe not now?). Although he said he does laundry.

He said he does a lot (he watched the kids, although I saw someone in the background..may have been a camera person and not a helper while she was at work (they need the money, as they have been living off savings), and man, they were biting each other and hitting (sound familiar?) and oh so loud (the kids, not the camera person and the husband)...she called (again) when they were all crying and said something about feeding them. I couldn't hear what he said, for sure, but I thought something like he didn't like doing that but I may have heard that wrong. He did say he did the dishes, vacuumed, did laundry and then he said (I think she said it too) when she comes home she complains he doesn't do enough, that she works too, why are the kids hers as soon as she gets home (although I assume they are hers, because each time she called (and it was at least 3-4 times that we saw, she asked, how are my babies LOL..sound familiar?). He says they argue a lot, and they keep track of who does the most. He says they really need to stop keeping track. Oh, and he also said he would rather be working than staying home with the kids..again, sound familiar LOL?

She did let them play in the mud hole (although she took off at least one diaper and we got mooned LOL) from where the tree went, and grandpa (I believe it was her dad..her mom was also there helping (I was so nervous that the kids were right near where the tree was being lifted, what if it came loose?) gave all six a bath by himself (grandma had already said it was a handful at their age when they were outside..her mom I believe had six kids, but grandma said it was a lot different when it was one at a time) and one of them (did I say they shared them all naked, not that it bothered me, but I know it bothers some that K & J have let the private times show) started to climb out and fell on it's head, on the tile.


And that was the first half of the show. I"m off to watch the rest, and then the second show I taped.

Oh my..and people think this is better than K & J why?? I'm dizzy, so much was going on.

Oh, did I say they make remarks to and about each other LOL?

Oh no, on the raising sextuplets, he's on a diet, and she's giving him a hard time because he took a piece of her pancake. He said he lost 8 pounds already..she said he may gain back 4. And then she asked if he drank his shake. I feel like dejavu (except the kids are way nosier and into stuff).

The just had a 'meeting', where he said, our marriage has to survive this (paraphrasing) but I don't feel I'm a priority. I know you have 6 kids, but what about me....and she said, can't I be the needy one for the next year and a half..and then I'll make you the priority.

Am I the only one who see's where this is going? I don't think I give them as long as I gave K & J. She's just gone back to work and although I see they did hire a nanny, I don't think he can handle this when the nanny isn't there for very long. They both work full time, and he goes to school. Man, this is a family that should have waited to have kids til they had more time and money...oh, they will probably have more money soon with the show.

Whoa! I think I may have to tune in and watch this once or twice. I probably can't stand the chaos---it was why I could watch JK8--because I have always thought the kids were well behaved and disciplined. Too much kid chaos and I'm hiding under the bed.

Sounds very familiar though. Looks like they took "lessons from" instead of ''learened from."

I hope that the MJ death (which is horrible) will take the eyes off this family for awhile. If so, this might eliminate the "he said, she said" that was sure to be in the magazines for the next week or so.

I hope so too. I said a long time ago that JK8 needed something "big" to happen. The media will run a story into the ground until the next fascination comes along. It is definitely a pattern and they can't control themselves.

I absolutely agree. Just because Jon whined on TV about the loss of his privacy, and how he doesn't like doing the show ... I think that's all it was. A whole lot of whining. When it all comes down to it, Jon appears to enjoy the material benefits of fame as much as Kate. He may not be in a big hurry to stop the show, either.

I agree, Marg...I mean Madge! I promise to do better but if you decide to help me out and just change your name, that'll be OK. I can't believe I did the same exact thing! That's what I get for at Doris!!

 

[Dr_Finkelstein]

So just because the paps are around, Kate shouldn't go out and do the things she would normally? What have we seen of her in pictures lately? (And I don't mean the b**bs!) She's gone to Starbucks, Target, the grocery store, played in her yard on her property, gone to the car dealership, and the party store. What is so 'attention grabbing' about that? Those are all places I go to regulary (esp. Starbucks but I think I have an addiction!). I don't see how her doing any of those things means she's desperate for attention.

I completely agree with this, having seen the photos she has not been doing anything to attract attention IMO, is she meant to just be a recluse in the house? But then if she did that she'd be criticised for 'hiding away' and not facing up to her responsibilities.

This is really not the same thing at all IMO. The Dionne quints were taken from their family and raised by the Ontario government for years. They were tested and studied like lab rats and had a very regimented life. It was insane. When they were returned to their parents after something like 9 years, it was believed that their father later sexually abused them. So really their tragic, sad story is very far from being similar to the Gosselin kids. Here's a link to an article about the Dionne quintuplets:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dionne_Quintuplets

That letter had already been posted in the last thread, and I had already said the same thing, it's not a comparable situation. But then I don't believe the Gosselin kids are being exploited.

I would agree that her look and her style have changed and I also don't see it negatively because, quite frankly, my style would change for the better too if I was suddenly in the public eye. And when my twins were infants/toddlers, I was a lot more frumpier than I am now, 10 years later, as there were days I never even had time to get dressed, let alone run a brush through my hair! But put TV cameras in front of me half the week, and you better believe, I'd probably get my first manicure in years!



Okay, folks, I completely recognize that I may be in the minority and that taking sides is irrelevant and unproductive, BUT, that said, it's been my personal impression (and that's all it is) that Kate HAS been commited and willing to do whatever she could to make the marriage work. I think she has admitted to the fact that she is not faultless in this failure BUT my take is that Jon had a little too much fun going out without her, enjoyed the attention from some stupid 23 y.o. fan waaayyyy too much, and is now feeling like the last place he wants to be is home with his FAMILY! Honestly, I felt that in that interview segment, he literally shrugged his shoulders and said "Yeah, I'll miss them, but . . ." (but oh well!) And I felt that Kate on the other hand was really struggling through this. He actually had the nerve to say he's only 32 and looking forward to this next chapter! Wonder if he asked the kids how much they are looking forward to this next chapter?! JMHO!



I think she is well aware that she comes off as abrasive sometimes and I think she is aware that the choices both of them have made together have led them to this point but I can see where she is coming from in the decisions she makes. I don't necessarily always agree with her, simply that I understand the reasoning behind her decisions. Until I've brought six babies home at once with two additional children to raise, it's hard for me to say that I would turn down an opportunity to support them financially. Would I continue to do so under the strain? I honestly don't know but let's all remember that the paparazzi could not care less about Jon and Kate UNTIL Jon was out partying with coeds and coming out of other homes in the wee hrs of the morn! Then there was suddenly a story to print. But if the story remained Jon and Kate take kids again to the farm . . . well, you realize there would be no story of course!



ITA . . . with the "garbage shows" harping on the same couple of sentences! They just keep saying the same thing over and over! But I just wanted to speak up as perhaps one of the lone empathizers for this woman and say that I really don't think she thrives on the attention but simply knows how to manage it much better than he does. I can only guess that she does not enjoy standing in line at the market and seeing the horrible things that are printed about her and her family. Again, if I were in her shoes, perhaps I'd be doing interviews too to try to refute some of the garbage. Maybe not the best approach, but all I'm saying is I can understand why she does it. Okay, I've presented the other side of the coin . . . I'm sure it will be flipped again!

I completely agree with all of this, I think she was willing to try to work and save the relationship, he wasn't. And I think she is just trying to do the best she can at the moment.

But I think the MJ story will take them off the radar at the moment, and once that's faded the paps will be onto something else. Always happens - there's a saying over here - "Todays front page news is tomorrows fish and chips wrappers."

I just watched Raising Sextuplets for the first time

Oh, my goodness. Is there a thread started on them yet? Unbelievable! Did people really say they learned from K & J what not to do? She insists on keeping a tree and moving it from the front to the back, he doesn't want it, too much work to clean up after it, they keep it (of course, I didn't think he was going to win that one) and someone moves it (it's a huge tree) with a crane. He admits he likes it and she was right.

His mom comes in and does laundry with a friend..did they really say they do 35-40 loads??? Don't they do any in between the help coming? Who owns that many clothes? (I thought they said their cousin or niece also lives with them to help..or did, maybe not now?). Although he said he does laundry.

He said he does a lot (he watched the kids, although I saw someone in the background..may have been a camera person and not a helper while she was at work (they need the money, as they have been living off savings), and man, they were biting each other and hitting (sound familiar?) and oh so loud (the kids, not the camera person and the husband)...she called (again) when they were all crying and said something about feeding them. I couldn't hear what he said, for sure, but I thought something like he didn't like doing that but I may have heard that wrong. He did say he did the dishes, vacuumed, did laundry and then he said (I think she said it too) when she comes home she complains he doesn't do enough, that she works too, why are the kids hers as soon as she gets home (although I assume they are hers, because each time she called (and it was at least 3-4 times that we saw, she asked, how are my babies LOL..sound familiar?). He says they argue a lot, and they keep track of who does the most. He says they really need to stop keeping track. Oh, and he also said he would rather be working than staying home with the kids..again, sound familiar LOL?

She did let them play in the mud hole (although she took off at least one diaper and we got mooned LOL) from where the tree went, and grandpa (I believe it was her dad..her mom was also there helping (I was so nervous that the kids were right near where the tree was being lifted, what if it came loose?) gave all six a bath by himself (grandma had already said it was a handful at their age when they were outside..her mom I believe had six kids, but grandma said it was a lot different when it was one at a time) and one of them (did I say they shared them all naked, not that it bothered me, but I know it bothers some that K & J have let the private times show) started to climb out and fell on it's head, on the tile.


And that was the first half of the show. I"m off to watch the rest, and then the second show I taped.

Oh my..and people think this is better than K & J why?? I'm dizzy, so much was going on.

Oh, did I say they make remarks to and about each other LOL?

Oh no, on the raising sextuplets, he's on a diet, and she's giving him a hard time because he took a piece of her pancake. He said he lost 8 pounds already..she said he may gain back 4. And then she asked if he drank his shake. I feel like dejavu (except the kids are way nosier and into stuff).

The just had a 'meeting', where he said, our marriage has to survive this (paraphrasing) but I don't feel I'm a priority. I know you have 6 kids, but what about me....and she said, can't I be the needy one for the next year and a half..and then I'll make you the priority.

Am I the only one who see's where this is going? I don't think I give them as long as I gave K & J. She's just gone back to work and although I see they did hire a nanny, I don't think he can handle this when the nanny isn't there for very long. They both work full time, and he goes to school. Man, this is a family that should have waited to have kids til they had more time and money...oh, they will probably have more money soon with the show.

Should we start the thread now d'you think?

And they thought J&K were bad? It's just as I always say - film any family for long enough and you will always find some aspect of their life/parenting/whatever to criticise.

 

[madge]

I hope that the MJ death (which is horrible) will take the eyes off this family for awhile. If so, this might eliminate the "he said, she said" that was sure to be in the magazines for the next week or so.

We may see how much genuine interest there is for the Gosselin story/drama. Will out of sight mean out of mind? And if it does, how far will Jon and Kate go to recreate the media sensation? We may see how truly attention/fame hungry Jon and/or Kate really is over the next few weeks... if the spotlight is something they really crave. And with that said, they may use this time to go find themselves and start to heal .. out of the spotlight. I think it's going to be interesting to watch and see.

Zondervan is going ahead with the publishing of Kate's book in October. I read that yesterday. I think she'll keep putting herself out in the public eye until then... and that's when we'll see another huge media blitz. That may be when Kate talks to Oprah or Barbara or whoever.

 

[newtodis]

I don't know if it's the Dis per se, but I wonder if she has friends that texted her: OMG, the Internet's blowing up! Put the girls away! lol.

Although...based on what we've seen from the show, seems more likely that it was a publicist or agent or lawyer or something that texted her. Oh, well.

That would be one of my life's perfect jobs - spending my day getting paid to "play" on the internet and find out things. I already do it when I have free time - and I could get PAID! Sign me up! I think several of us here would totally sign up for that one!

Before I can answer, would she be hooked up to a lie detector or given truth serum?

Agreed - If I could ask her a question, I wouldn't want it PR approved or whatever - an honest answer. I think my question would be if I could spend a weekend with her and the kids - NOT because I'm a stalker but because I'm really curious to see how she stays organized and would love to see how she interacts with the kids. They're all so darned adorable how could that not be fun?? I think just spending time in the house would tell a lot IMO.

My question is, do you think that this story will somewhat die given today's events (Michael Jackson's death) and a new tabloid cover story for the next few weeks?

I thought the same thing last night. I agree MJs passing is a tragedy but in the hour that I watched HLN last night, that was all they covered. Again, not saying it's not a tragedy, but Farrah Faucet passed away the same day, Ed McMan (not sure on spelling of names!) passed away the day before I believe and no big fuss was made over them. Every life's important and if you're going to do it for one, you should be prepared to do it for all....Sorry. Got off on a rant...

I also thought "what's going to come out now to keep J&K's name out there?". As sad as it is, I'm waiting to hear what the new announcement is going to be in August. I would think the next show (Aug) will have a big number simply because people are going to want to see how it's all played out....after that, I'm thinking the rumors will come out again to keep the viewers. When would their season run (like May-Sept???)?? I'm just trying to figure out where they're going to get 35 more episodes and how much time they have to get them on the air this "season". Also, if they won't/don't use the footage from the NC beach trip, would TLC/J&K/whoever have to "repay" things that were donated since the places (assuming things were done to have them on the show) wouldn't get the "free" publicity?? Just one more question, then I'm done (I think!) - I thought they "checked" with places before they could just go in and film or whatever. It seems, from reading stuff about when they were on vacation, that Kate and crew just showed up places. What if the store didn't want them filming inside or whatever (I can't really see people turning down the publicity but maybe??)??

Sorry for the total tanget this morning!

:: looks around for Marge ::

I don't know if Marge wears a hat, but Madge does.

I read that and it made me smile this morning! You'll just have to be like my kids who answer to both names or we'll have to come up with something different to call you.

I just watched Raising Sextuplets for the first time

Oh my..and people think this is better than K & J why?? I'm dizzy, so much was going on.

Oh, did I say they make remarks to and about each other LOL?

I think I posted on the last thread that I'd taped some episodes of that watched them over a weekend. It was amazing how similar on some things and how different on others they were to J&K....

What's up with parking in the handicap space at the brunch location? Being a large family may be a financial handicap, but doesn't qualify you for a parking permit (at least in my state). I thought that was pretty rude.

I didn't pick up on that (Jon didn't move it after the kids got out I assme?), but I also didn't see anyone else in the restaurant, so maybe TLC rented the entire place.

I thought they parked there because it was raining and assumed the vehicle was moved. It did look totally empty though so maybe it didn't matter where they parked??? Or maybe J&K own the place (investment) and they can park anywhere they darn well please! Had it looked like it was open and they were honestly taking a handicap spot, I would be upset. I just don't think that was the case here.

Oh no, on the raising sextuplets. I feel like dejavu (except the kids are way nosier and into stuff).

I completely agree with all of this, I think she was willing to try to work and save the relationship, he wasn't. And I think she is just trying to do the best she can at the moment.

Should we start the thread now d'you think?

And they thought J&K were bad? It's just as I always say - film any family for long enough and you will always find some aspect of their life/parenting/whatever to criticise.

I agree - the way it's spinning right now makes it look like Kate was willing to do whatever (for whatever reason - not being snarky at all!) to save things while Jon wasn't so willing.

If you start one for the other tups show, will you put a link here? I watch them once I've dvr'd a few of the episodes so I wouldn't mind following along.

I agree that anyone can find something "wrong" with another person -regardless if they're on tv or not. I find myself a lot saying "wow, if that were me...." then I stop and say "really? what happened five minutes before?" and walk away because I know I don't know what happened with them five minutes before to see if that action warranted the behaviour. I *try* to be a "good" person but sometimes it's much easier to point out "wrongs" in others than in ourselves.

 

[redrosesix]

So just because the paps are around, Kate shouldn't go out and do the things she would normally? What have we seen of her in pictures lately? (And I don't mean the b**bs!) She's gone to Starbucks, Target, the grocery store, played in her yard on her property, gone to the car dealership, and the party store. What is so 'attention grabbing' about that? Those are all places I go to regulary (esp. Starbucks but I think I have an addiction!). I don't see how her doing any of those things means she's desperate for attention.



This is really not the same thing at all IMO. The Dionne quints were taken from their family and raised by the Ontario government for years. They were tested and studied like lab rats and had a very regimented life. It was insane. When they were returned to their parents after something like 9 years, it was believed that their father later sexually abused them. So really their tragic, sad story is very far from being similar to the Gosselin kids. Here's a link to an article about the Dionne quintuplets:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dionne_Quintuplets

I don't much care whether she wears a bathing suit around her home, especially if that was all there was. It's that on top of the interviews, articles, etc. (for me, anyway) And in the People article, she makes a point of saying that the paparazzi follow her everywhere she goes. (she also says they don't follow Jon, which is clearly not true)

It was the surviving Dionne quints who wrote the letter -- they did think that kids had a right to their privacy (as do I). The show about the Dugger kids doesn't seem to delve into the kids' lives as much -- probably better than having every family occasion, temper tantrum, etc. filmed for the world to see.

I keep seeing this and I am truly curious...why is it only Kate that has to stop the filming....the kids do have a Dad who has a say also.

So what happens once the divorce is final and those (not meaning you) that say it was only Kate that wanted the filming, but it still continues with Jon's permission? Would the question then be " What would it take to get Jon to stop filming his kids?"

I asked my mum, who has continued to watch the show religiously, if they ever show Jon alone with the kids while Kate is away. She said only if she's getting her hair done or shopping.

I think it would be very interesting to see the contract that they have with TLC.

 

[3prettyprincesses]

I don't much care whether she wears a bathing suit around her home, especially if that was all there was. It's that on top of the interviews, articles, etc. (for me, anyway) And in the People article, she makes a point of saying that the paparazzi follow her everywhere she goes. (she also says they don't follow Jon, which is clearly not true)

It was the surviving Dionne quints who wrote the letter -- they did think that kids had a right to their privacy (as do I). The show about the Dugger kids doesn't seem to delve into the kids' lives as much -- probably better than having every family occasion, temper tantrum, etc. filmed for the world to see.

I asked my mum, who has continued to watch the show religiously, if they ever show Jon alone with the kids while Kate is away. She said only if she's getting her hair done or shopping.

I think it would be very interesting to see the contract that they have with TLC.

You and me both! I would love to see their contract because I think it would dispell rumors and assumptions. My guess is that there's some strange details but that's just my opinion. Madge, can you find a copy of the TLC contract?

 

[MICKEY4EVER!]

I finally got a chance to see Monday's episode since I was gone all week. Interesting.

What's up with parking in the handicap space at the brunch location? Being a large family may be a financial handicap, but doesn't qualify you for a parking permit (at least in my state). I thought that was pretty rude.

I also noticed this...

 

[1stluvispooh]

Ok I have to tell you what happened last night at dinner. The more I think about it the funnier it is. First I must say that I have not watched at all this season, it stop being a must see for me after the ice cream incident. Any way at dinner DH was making fun of me for being on this thread and then he said I saw J&K the other day and it was wired they were on the sofa but separate. She's on the sofa saying something, cut, he's on the sofa saying something. I"m on the thread but he's watching which is worse!

As for raising sextuplets. Yes it was more chaose but it Jenny and Brian seemed to love each other. Yes the pick on the other and no I didn't like that Jenny said something about his diet (a person pet peve of mine) but they always kissed hello and goodbye something I never saw with Jon & Kate. I guess Jenny and Brian reminded me more of DH and myself.

 

[madge]

Madge, can you find a copy of the TLC contract?

I've got a busy weekend .. I'll get to work on that Monday

 

[DMRick]

If you start one for the other tups show, will you put a link here? I watch them once I've dvr'd a few of the episodes so I wouldn't mind following along.
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Someone did start one, but I'm obviously seeing something different that the posters on that thread, so I've backed out. I think they want that thread to be about what a great show it is, and I sure don't agree with that. I'll wait to post there again until I see where the thread goes. I have now watched both shows that were on last night (the mom on the new show got a free tummy tuck and augmentation last night) and I just can't believe this show..seems like nothing was learned. I am definately more for the dad on the new one. He seems more reasonable than her, in what he thinks they can tackle with the kids..but it doesn't matter what he thinks, so far it looks like whatever she wants to do, is what they will do. I personally don't think they have any control on their kids and I'm worried for their safety. They did say last night, they have to stop the competition on who does the most helping with the kids and cleaning the house..but I don't see that stopping anytime too soon. J & K sort of rolled into where I think this new family is now.
http://disboards.com/showthread.php?t=2207431&page=2

 

[mom2faith]

I don't mean to be snarky, really, but I think we are all for the kids, we just don't all agree on what is best for the kids

That said, I in no way wanted to see either of these celebrities die and I'm very sad about it , but I do hope that it will provide some relieve for J & K and their family. It's a sad way to provide relieve, that's for sure.

I wonder what Lisa Presley (who as I'm sure you all know was married to Michael) is thinking about this. I'm sure it brings back memories of her dad. Her face should show up soon on the mags.

I am sorry, I realize we are all for the kids that is not at all what I meant.

I too am very sad about both deaths. I do find it sad that Farrah is not getting the coverage that she deserves as an icon of the 70's. Like I said, I in no way wish ill on any celebrity family, but this may be a blessing in disguise.

I did my nightly google scan of JK8 info, and there isn't nearly the info there was 6 hours ago. it's amazing, really.

That was my point exactly. This should alleviate some of the stress and the he said/she said stuff that may havehappened.

Im not saying that a select few who stop posting will make the entire story go away. I was saying that if you feel so strongly about not supporting this show, TLC, what-have-you, then do something about it and stop posting and supporting websites and blogs that discuss them (which keep the paparazzi in business). Every little bit helps. I guess its a "dont complain about it unless you are willing to do something" kind of thing.

And for the record-- everyone who posts here, im pretty sure, is FOR THE KIDS.

As far as MJ... yes, I think J&K's story will take a backseat for a short while. Until people run out of things to say-- then its back to them (hopefully not with the same force though).

I never meant that I was the only one here for the kids. I was just stating that that is where my focus is, I meant it that I am not taking J or K side.

I hope that the MJ death (which is horrible) will take the eyes off this family for awhile. If so, this might eliminate the "he said, she said" that was sure to be in the magazines for the next week or so.

That is exactly what I was thinking.

 

[kidshop]

I keep seeing this and I am truly curious...why is it only Kate that has to stop the filming....the kids do have a Dad who has a say also.

So what happens once the divorce is final and those (not meaning you) that say it was only Kate that wanted the filming, but it still continues with Jon's permission? Would the question then be " What would it take to get Jon to stop filming his kids?"

Well, the op asked if you could ask KATE one question. that's my question to her.

 

[MICKEY4EVER!]

Someone did start one, but I'm obviously seeing something different that the posters on that thread, so I've backed out. I think they want that thread to be about what a great show it is, and I sure don't agree with that. I'll wait to post there again until I see where the thread goes. I have now watched both shows that were on last night (the mom on the new show got a free tummy tuck and augmentation last night) and I just can't believe this show..seems like nothing was learned. I am definately more for the dad on the new one. He seems more reasonable than her, in what he thinks they can tackle with the kids..but it doesn't matter what he thinks, so far it looks like whatever she wants to do, is what they will do. I personally don't think they have any control on their kids and I'm worried for their safety. They did say last night, they have to stop the competition on who does the most helping with the kids and cleaning the house..but I don't see that stopping anytime too soon. J & K sort of rolled into where I think this new family is now.
http://disboards.com/showthread.php?t=2207431&page=2

I haven't watched the new show. I saw it on the other night and opted out on it. I just couldn't bear to see it after JK+8.

So since I haven't seen it, this opinion is based solely on what you wrote above. It sounds to me like the mom is a lot like Kate (and how I have always viewed Kate), with the exception of the kids being endangered, Kate always made sure her children were properly watched.

 

[SueM in MN]

So just because the paps are around, Kate shouldn't go out and do the things she would normally? What have we seen of her in pictures lately? (And I don't mean the b**bs!) She's gone to Starbucks, Target, the grocery store, played in her yard on her property, gone to the car dealership, and the party store. What is so 'attention grabbing' about that? Those are all places I go to regulary (esp. Starbucks but I think I have an addiction!). I don't see how her doing any of those things means she's desperate for attention.

I think it's sad that the media are so 'hungry' for pictures that they are chasing people around (hoping to find something that can have a big deal made of it).

This is really not the same thing at all IMO. The Dionne quints were taken from their family and raised by the Ontario government for years. They were tested and studied like lab rats and had a very regimented life. It was insane. When they were returned to their parents after something like 9 years, it was believed that their father later sexually abused them. So really their tragic, sad story is very far from being similar to the Gosselin kids. Here's a link to an article about the Dionne quintuplets:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dionne_Quintuplets

I agree.
I don't necessarily agree that all these reality shows with kids are a good thing, but it is much different than the Dionne Quintuplets life.
They were basically raised in a 24 hour a day daycare situation where any staff they were getting too close to were transferred out. They had a play area that was surrounded by a screened 'observation area' where they were put on display several times a day. They could see the shadowy figures of people filing by and could hear whispers. Basically, a human zoo.
They went from that very impersonal environment into the home with their family (who were pretty much strangers to them according to the books that the Dionne Quintuplets wrote later; they did not even speak the same language). The Dionnes were also not raised as individuals, but more as a group.
So, much different.

I thought they parked there because it was raining and assumed the vehicle was moved. It did look totally empty though so maybe it didn't matter where they parked??? Or maybe J&K own the place (investment) and they can park anywhere they darn well please! Had it looked like it was open and they were honestly taking a handicap spot, I would be upset. I just don't think that was the case here.

It's still illegal unless they had a valid handicapped parking permit (people do it all the time though)

I agree - the way it's spinning right now makes it look like Kate was willing to do whatever (for whatever reason - not being snarky at all!) to save things while Jon wasn't so willing.

I agree; for whatever reasons, I think Kate was willing to work on things and John was not.
Both of them are at fault.
Kate is a control freak and I would not want to live with her, but I agree with the person who posted a number of pages back that Jon is a passive-agressive wuss. When you look at episodes even from the early days, she is more 'out there' with negativity, but he is just as negative. He's just not as obvious about it.

I agree that anyone can find something "wrong" with another person -regardless if they're on tv or not. I find myself a lot saying "wow, if that were me...." then I stop and say "really? what happened five minutes before?" and walk away because I know I don't know what happened with them five minutes before to see if that action warranted the behaviour. I *try* to be a "good" person but sometimes it's much easier to point out "wrongs" in others than in ourselves.

And, you have to remember that we are only seeing little bits of what actually happened; heavily edited.