Jon and Kate Plus 8 Official Thread - Part 5

[1stluvispooh]

]if they were going to tell the media what/how they told the children, part of me thinks they might as well have just filmed it f[/B]or the show. TLC made a point of saying in an interview that they weren't going to film it, then Jon & Kate tell everyone anyway. sad. so sad for those kids.

Did I miss something? I thought just Kate told the media. I haven't seen any interviews with Jon since the divorce broke.

 

[3prettyprincesses]

thanks!! that makes a whole lot more sense now. sometimes I read things quickly and miss a detail or two, but I honestly wasn't seeing it in that CBS article and was about to do this


ok. you all know how I love my timelines.

Kate spoke to People after the filmed the episode for Monday night. The pictures taken seen here were from Wednesday
http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b129898_jon_kate_8_play_outside_familybut_how.html

Based on Kate's statement, she decided to file Monday. So it is possible TLC had the episode in the can, and had to go back and edit for the show. And since People had the interview done, it wouldn't take much at all to add wording about the divorce, etc. Just thinking out loud, mostly.

When to the magazines actually go to print, anyone know?

My impression is that the original TLC episode on Monday night was only to include them stating they were seperating. Apparently Kate filed that day before the episode aired which is why I think TLC had to flash the statement on-screen that as of Monday June 22, proceedings had begun for the dissolution of J&K's marriage.

As far as Kate's statement that Jon's actions forced her (or whatever her exact words were) to file for the protection of her kids makes me think she's talking about custody and finances. What on earth Jon did is anybody's guess! Maybe he reconnected with Deanna before they announced their seperation? Who the heck knows. I just wish they'd stop blabbing to media outlets. They made their announcement and now should just focus on dealing with it privately for everyone involved. Makes me think this divorce is going to n-a-s-t-y!

 

[1stluvispooh]

I really do hope that Jon does talk and soon. I would love to know what he did over the weekend that made Kate feel like she needed to file. The way she is making it sound, he did something horrible to her and the kids over the weekend. If he did nothing then I hope he defends himself. If he did do something then I hope she tells. With her vague comment about the situation it just means to me that she is hoping for more sympathy. JMO

I hope he doesn't. If he truly wants out of the show and the marriage let Kate talk. Soon enough she will put her foot in her mouth if she hasn't already. IMO in these situations it's always best to take the high toad and keep your mouth shut!

 

[madge]

Did I miss something? I thought just Kate told the media. I haven't seen any interviews with Jon since the divorce broke.

you're exactly right. my mistake.

many times I type Jon & Kate, so it doesn't look like I'm trying to throw one or the other under the bus... because I'm equally frustrated with them both. It's a habit. LOL.

 

[whitneyNC]

How could Katie Irene prove they have not been living as man and wife for two years if they renewed their vows last fall? When was that trip to Hawaii? She checked both boxes hoping not to have to wait two years if Jon contests I think. How could she ever prove the two year thing when everything's on tape?

 

[C.Ann]

Certainly a lot of buzz going on today - although not surprising.. It's going to take me some time to read through all of these pages..

Kate will be on the Today show this morning. "She will talk about how they told the kids they were divorcing and how it is too painful to take off her wedding ring."

New People Cover:

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20286975,00.html

I guess this is what Jon meant yesterday when he said he wishes that things would stay out of the media.

So glad they have decided to keep this "private"..

What I find most shocking is that there will be a Season 6! Enough already! Cancel this show and go live your private lives. All of the kids will be in school now and they need privacy to grow up, not their Mom and Dad on People Magazine every week talking about their marriage! Go away and raise your kids! We are all sick of the drama and the pain!

Hopefully there won't be - only time will tell..

One more thing - all of this talk about talking to the media to get their side out stuff is not right. WHo cares what the world thinks - they should be concentrating on what their children think and feel and not on whose side the media and public is taking!

If they had no issue with it being aired on national tv, it's not surprising that they are continuing to splash it everywhere they can - so they don't "fade" from the limelight during the hiatus..

I didn't care for the comment on Today show where the lady said something about the kids love their dad because he's the daddy but they've seen him change right before their eyes..

That's the one link that I clicked on because I thought it was actually going to be Kate speaking.. Kate claims the kids just hug her and love her when she's doing laundry and such and they basically love Jon "only" because he's a "daddy".. Still getting those cheap shots out there.. "Kate good - Jon bad"..

My best hope is that they end up with a judge that doesn't put up with either of their (sometimes) bizarre priorities. The kids need an advocate-a judge that puts them first would be wonderful. Don't know too much about PA justice, but it would be great if J&K were ordered to counseling and also gagged about the ongoing proceedings.

Oh a gag order would be AWESOME! Jon should run not walk to the couarts and see if he get get Kate gagged!

She is so controling, she is hitting all the media outlets trying to get "her side" out (which is the the story she has concocted in her mind and wants us to believe) She doesn't just care about what her family thinks (obviously, if people in her family don't think the way she wants them to, she just cuts them out fo her life) She needs to control what all of us are thinking about her too. All while collecting a nice little check from People magazine.

A "gag order" would be an excellent idea!

Here's the article from GMA this morning:

Despite an announcement that divorce proceedings have begun, "Jon & Kate Plus 8" matriarch Kate Gosselin is still wearing her wedding ring because taking it off would devastate her children.

Kate Gosselin explained to People magazine in an exclusive interview that it was her husband of 10 years, Jon Gosselin, who asked for the divorce.

"I curled up in a ball and I sobbed. I couldn't breathe; I was hyperventilating. I was scaring people who were calling to check on me because I couldn't even talk," she told the entertainment magazine.

In a confessional during Monday's night's episode of "Jon & Kate Plus 8" she said she didn't want raise her children as a single parent.

"I don't really want to be alone. I don't want to do this alone," she said.

Gosselin said her husband wanted to split for a long time before he told her he hired a lawyer and advised her to do the same. She said it's a step she would have never taken on her own.

People magazine deputy managing editor Peter Castro told "Good Morning America" that the situation is "the portrait of an American family crumbling."

"They don't hate each other," he said, but added, "[Jon] did not want any part of counseling; he wanted out of this marriage."

"It's real reality television," he said.

The Gosselins admitted on Monday night's episode that they had been living increasingly separate lives for the last two years, and Kate Gosselin said the breaking point in the marriage was not a result of the show or tabloid scrutiny.

"I believe it is a chapter that would have probably would have played out had the world been watching or not," Kate Gosselin said.

In the no-fault divorce papers she filed Monday in Montgomery County, Pa., she called her marriage "irretrievably broken" and said she is willing to "negotiate a fair and reasonable" settlement with Jon Gosselin.

Attorneys for both Jon and Kate Gosselin said Tuesday that the couple lived together on their Berks County compound until recently.

"They have been living 'separate and apart' just within the last week or two," said Jon's attorney, Charles Meyer, using a term from the divorce petition.

While court papers do not explain what led to the couple's breakup, in a statement released to the media Kate Gosselin said "Jon's activities" over the weekend had left her "no choice but to file legal procedures in order to protect myself and our children."

"To be honest, I was hurt by Kate's statement about the divorce," Jon countered Tuesday in his own release. "I have always done everything I can to protect our family. This weekend, I was home with the kids for four days, just being a dad. No nannies, just the kids and me."

While they reportedly are unable to agree on the division of their assets, Jon Gosselin said he hopes to "resolve things amicably."

Jon and Kate Gosselin broke the news to their children together, first by telling twins Cara and Mady.


The identical twins had very different reactions to the news.

"Mady was something. She said, 'I can't say this comes as much of a surprise. I could've guessed.' But Cara just crumpled into tears. She was crying, and I was holding her in my arms like a baby," Kate Gosselin told People.

The Gosselins broke the news to their sextuplets by keeping it "light and airy."

The Gosselins, who are parents of 8-year-old twins and 5-year-old sextuplets, have decided to share their expansive $1.1 million home in southeastern Pennsylvania and rotate time there so that each parent gets to spend time with the children.

The children were told, "Daddy's not going to live here sometimes, but he'll come back half the time and we'll trade on and off."

The family's troubles have resulted in huge ratings for the TLC show. The 10.6 million viewers who watched the Monday night show detailing the Gosselins' break up was a record, beating the huge audience for last month's "Jon & Kate" fifth season premiere by 800,000 viewers.

But the estranged couple's relationship difficulties will not get in the way of their hit TLC show. They've said they will continue filming the hit show. "We interview separately, we'll film different things," Jon explained on Monday's episode. "Me and the kids, her and the kids."

"What [the show is] about changes almost on an episode basis," Castro said. "The reason people are tuning in is because this is American rubbernecking at its finest, or its worst, depending on your view." The network said it would air a retrospective of the Gosselins' 10-year marriage next Monday, followed by a hiatus until Aug. 3.

During that break, "the family will take some time off to regroup, and then a modified schedule will be in place to support the family's transition," the network said.

In a statement Tuesday, TLC president Eileen O'Neill said the network "continues to support the Gosselin family and will work closely with them to determine the best way to continue to tell their story as they navigate through this difficult time."

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Story?id=7912407&page=1

One word - pathetic..

Shame on Gosslin for violating her children's privacy in such a disgusting way. All I can hope is that the judge hearing the divorce reads this and has the same reaction. Those poor children. It's beyond indecent to chat with People about your children's pain. But, hey, money is money.
(And, of course, J&K can take plenty of the credit for what the kids are being put through. )

Never stopped them before - I don't see any reason why it would stop now..

Never have I seen 2 people turn into self absorb, self centered human beings.

 

[1stluvispooh]

you're exactly right. my mistake.

many times I type Jon & Kate, so it doesn't look like I'm trying to throw one or the other under the bus... because I'm equally frustrated with them both. It's a habit. LOL.

Madge I like your thinking. Why throw one under the bus when you can get em both

 

[bonybroad]

New 'Jon & Kate Plus 8' episodes will include Jon Gosselin's new girlfriend


http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2009/06/24/2009-06-24_new_jon_and_kate_plus_.html

It was my understanding that whatever was/was not going on with Deanna Hummell is no longer going on....

 

[madge]

Madge I like your thinking. Why throw one under the bus when you can get em both

it's pool time ... wonder what will surface in the few hours I'm away? I have to say I'm a little surprised TMZ beat The Smoking Gun to the punch with the divorce papers. I've been checking there all morning and so far, nothing.

 

[bonybroad]

[/QUOTE]As far as Kate's statement that Jon's actions forced her (or whatever her exact words were) to file for the protection of her kids makes me think she's talking about custody and finances. What on earth Jon did is anybody's guess! Maybe he reconnected with Deanna before they announced their seperation? Who the heck knows. I just wish they'd stop blabbing to media outlets. They made their announcement and now should just focus on dealing with it privately for everyone involved. Makes me think this divorce is going to n-a-s-t-y! [/QUOTE]

I was wondering if it had anything to do with Aaden getting hurt. I hope not! I only have 2 kids, and we are on a first name basis with the local ER.

 

[3prettyprincesses]

I was wondering if it had anything to do with Aaden getting hurt. I hope not! I only have 2 kids, and we are on a first name basis with the local ER.

I can't imagine that it would. Aaden (he's so stinking cute!) looked like he had a little scrape on his forehead and that's all. I'm really thinking her motivation for filing on Monday was that Jon said something to her about custody or how to divide their assets. I hope it doesn't get nasty but so far it ain't looking good! She's talking to People Mag. and Jon is releasing statements about Kate's filing. They are both going to end up hurting each other more and making it even more difficult for the kids if they keep focusing on media outlets like this. That's my opinion anyway.

 

[I'mAlittleBitGoofy]

At the risk of stating the obvious, this whole thing is going to be a giant fiasco.

 

[Buckalew11]

And the worst part is the media will want it to be as nasty as possible. More stories to report. The media has already made it all worse than it probably is. Drama, drama, drama.

 

[ChrisAlli]

Are they scheduled for Dr. Phil yet????

 

[Catzeyes]

Count me as one of the people who are done watching the train wreck.

 

[1stluvispooh]

I'm sorry but to me the whole Kate filing on Monday was all to get attention. Saying that she had no choice but to do it on Monday due to Jon's actions over the weekend was to play the victim and to get people on "her side". The fact that she was the first one to file to me speaks volumes. If she truly was so upset when Jon told her he had a lawyer and she should get one too I don't think she would have been the first to file for divorce. You would think if she was crying for half a day she would fight for her marriage not rush to beat him in filing. Also it been my experience that the person who files first is usually the one who asks for the divorce.

 

[C.Ann]

When Kate says there is no turning back, I think that's true for the lifestyle she is living, too. There is no way she will stop going to the spa, driving around in fancy cars and taking vacations all the time. Unfortunately it is wishful thinking that they will stop taking advantage of their kids. The show will go on.

I agree.. Until people stop watching, the show will definitely go on - regardless of the consequences..

I think this is a very well written piece from a journalist...

In a post Monday night, I suggested that viewers stop watching Jon & Kate Plus 8 if they really want to help the Gosselin kids. With the divorce of these two self-absorbed parents, there is no way for viewers to justify tuning in any longer. It's nothing but debasement and voyeurism from here on out.

But with the show going on hiatus until Aug. 3, let me further suggest that we in the mainstream press also step back, slow down, take stock and try to wean ourselves off the narcotic of Jon & Kate page views unlike anything we've seen since Sarah Palin's vice presidential candidacy.

I say this after the embarrassing story put out by the Associated Press Tuesday that Jon and Kate Gosselin had been living "separate and apart" for the last two years while acting as if they were living together on their TV show. Had that fact been verified and true, it would have been the basis of a very big TV story -- a story just a few of cuts below the quiz scandals of the 1950s in terms of deception on the part of those who make American television.

But it wasn't verified and true, according to a correction the news service sent out later in the evening saying the couple had been apart only a week or two, according to lawyers involved in filing the very papers the AP cited as evidence for its first report. It appears that even AP, one of the bedrocks of mainstream fact-based journalism, was caught up in the Jon & Kate frenzy of getting it out there first before getting it right. Does anyone in the land of new media know what the word gatekeeper means anymore?

Here's the correction as it appeared on MSNBC's website Tuesday night: ALLENTOWN, Pa. - CORRECTION: The Associated Press sent an earlier version of this story that said Kate and Jon Gosselin had been living “separate and apart” for at least two years. The AP later sent a correction saying this was not true and that the couple had been living apart only for a week or two.

National Public Radio's website, on the other hand, was still running the uncorrected story at 11:55 p.m. Tuesday -- as were many other sites. I suspect the original story will even appear uncorrected in some newspapers Wednesday morning.

As of late Tuesday at any rate, what readers were left with thanks largely to AP was confusion. And that is the very opposite of what the press is supposed to create.

So, let's try to steady ourselves and behave like journalists. If we keep acting like crazed Hollywood gossip columnists from the 1930s, Jon and Kate will keep issuing dueling press releases as they did Tuesday with Kate saying Jon did something so bad over the weekend that she can't live with him anymore, and Jon saying he is "hurt" by the allegation. No specifics or facts, just more innuendo and conflict. It's a game for publicists and silly people addicted to fame -- not journalists. But it will go on and on as long as we keep lapping it up like starving kittens.

There is still much news to report and all kinds of enlightening cultural pieces to be written about the sociology of Jon & Kate and the audience of millions that tuned in to watch it for four full seasons and part of fifth.

The audience size alone warrants coverage and can absolutely serve as a barometer of popular taste -- especially given the fact that the audience plunged from 9.8 million for the season opener on May 25th down to 2.9 in recent weeks. And then came 10.6 million viewers for Monday's show when the divorce was announced. Clearly, a mass audience is reacting to this story -- and doing so in illuminating ways.

I have given TLC the benefit of the doubt in several pieces I have written the last four months about the show. But no more. The channel has already earned its place in TV infamy for its part in pushing this family past the breaking point this year. To now act like it is taking the high road with a six week hiatus is laughable. You can't fix what TLC helped break by turning off the cameras for a few weeks in the summer.

I will write about the show and how the audience reacts to it when it returns. To me, that is news in that it tells us something about who we are as viewers and people.

But I am also going to try and hold myself to a tougher standard as to how often and what I write about Jon & Kate -- even if my web numbers suffer. I haven't yet and I am never going to play the games -- and I use that word kindly -- that some show biz tabloid journalists use in publishing unverified information that barely rises to the level of rumor or gossip.

I hope some of my colleagues will do the same, and that collectively we will come to our senses about how we treat the Jon & Kate story from here on out -- and cover this realm of American culture and life online.

And while I'm hoping, maybe AP will fully explain in coming days how it managed to put out a story with such wide-ranging implications without first having the facts on which it was based nailed down.

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/entertainment/zontv/2009/06/jon_kate_ap_correction_hiatus.html

Excellent piece!! Didn't there used to be a time when reputable newspapers had to prove that what they were printing was "fact" - not gossip"?

Not sure if I'm allowed to post this from this site or not (religious) but the part I'm posting doesn't mention religion. I will edit if needed.

Kate also says, "When the babies were born, I was well aware that our marriage could crumble. It was close to doing so at times. But we survived that first year. And then the second one. And then each year after that. Even though the issues have changed, it's never gotten easier.

"But Jon and I are more determined than ever that we're in this together. We've told our kids many times that we're always going to be a family. There are no other options. Sure, Jon and I take our stress out on each other, and no, that's not always good or healthy. But we work hard as a team every day."

http://www.jonandkateprayers.com/

Seems they left that line of thinking in the dust when they decided to throw the babies out with the bath water..

Kate mentioned - way back then - that their marriage was close to crumbling at times.. Why didn't she and Jon stop the show after the first season or two - knowing that they were already having problems - and devote their time and energy to saving their marriage and providing a loving, stable environment for their children??

if they were going to tell the media what/how they told the children, part of me thinks they might as well have just filmed it for the show. TLC made a point of saying in an interview that they weren't going to film it, then Jon & Kate tell everyone anyway. sad. so sad for those kids.

Agreed.. What's the difference - they're still running to the media with all of this info that they claimed would be "private"?

I am so sick of the term hater.

last summer, I got blasted for using the term sheeple. hater is just as bad, IMO.

I am sick of the term hater also. Just because someone does not agree with Kate that means we are haters. But if we agreed with everything Kate did and bashed Jon then we would not be haters. I don't think that there is any hate going on. Just a discussion about how we disagree with the way things are being handled. I think Kate is not a nice person, but I did feel sorry for her Monday night and just because I don't agree with her mothering does not mean I hate her. People need to get some kind of life if they are getting so upset about what is being said.

Which was followed by the "lecture" about the "use of a dictionary" and "enlightening" others.. It was beaten to death pages ago.. How many times does it need to be repeated? It's one word.. People feel differently about it - just as they do many words.. We're discussing the Jon & Kate show - not sitting in a classroom asking for instructions on how we should be "allowed" to use various words..

I really do hope that Jon does talk and soon. I would love to know what he did over the weekend that made Kate feel like she needed to file. The way she is making it sound, he did something horrible to her and the kids over the weekend. If he did nothing then I hope he defends himself. If he did do something then I hope she tells. With her vague comment about the situation it just means to me that she is hoping for more sympathy. JMO

While I would like to see both of them shut up, if Kate is going to throw out vague accusations with terms such as "forced by Jon's activities over the weekend" - insinuating he did something horrible (as well as continuing to give interviews about other things that should be kept private), then Jon should be allowed to respond.. If he doesn't, then I will have more respect for him - for taking the "high road"..

 

[I'mAlittleBitGoofy]

I'm sorry but to me the whole Kate filing on Monday was all to get attention. Saying that she had no choice but to do it on Monday due to Jon's actions over the weekend was to play the victim and to get people on "her side". The fact that she was the first one to file to me speaks volumes. If she truly was so upset when Jon told her he had a lawyer and she should get one too I don't think she would have been the first to file for divorce. You would think if she was crying for half a day she would fight for her marriage not rush to beat him in filing. Also it been my experience that the person who files first is usually the one who asks for the divorce.

Yanno I tend to agree with you. I was thinking this myself, the timing was perfect for the ratings.

 

[mousetravel]

How could Katie Irene prove they have not been living as man and wife for two years if they renewed their vows last fall? When was that trip to Hawaii? She checked both boxes hoping not to have to wait two years if Jon contests I think. How could she ever prove the two year thing when everything's on tape?

I've wondered about this, too. Why would they go through all the hype of a "vow renewal", if the problems started before then? I know it was probably for the FREE trip, but they could have written their trip as a visit to see Jon's relatives, rather than the vow renewal.

I'm sorry but to me the whole Kate filing on Monday was all to get attention. Saying that she had no choice but to do it on Monday due to Jon's actions over the weekend was to play the victim and to get people on "her side". The fact that she was the first one to file to me speaks volumes. If she truly was so upset when Jon told her he had a lawyer and she should get one too I don't think she would have been the first to file for divorce. You would think if she was crying for half a day she would fight for her marriage not rush to beat him in filing. Also it been my experience that the person who files first is usually the one who asks for the divorce.

I agree with this. I think she just wanted to beat him at getting to the filing of the divorce. I really thought HE was going to file before she did, from his attitude on Monday's show. She said it's not what she wanted, but she's the one who ran up there first to get the divorce filed.

 

[Buckalew11]

Actually, I thought her filing on Monday could hurt the ratings because for sure everyone knew the "big announcement" once one of them filed (at the time we didn't know who filed).