Jon and Kate Plus 8 Official Thread - Part 5

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I don't get all the outrage over the televised announcement of the divorce. There was so much criticism when people were calling them a farce pretending to be happy and together on the show. Now they come public with their decision and they get criticized. What were they supposed to do? Continue to pretend? They just can't win!

I think when a family goes through something as devastating as this, they need privacy. This would mean to stop filming and focus on the children. The older kids didn't finish their school year, because they were taken to NC (I think) for a vacation with paparazzi following them everywhere.

Last night's episode was very painful to watch not only because the interviews but also the tension btw. the parents while they were interacting with the kids. This is not for the best interest of the children so they can have free playhouses. I'm sure the kids would have rather had a calm day with a parent, not two who obviously can't get along.

When a celebrity couple announces a breakup, they don't make a movie or a tv episode out of it. Their publicist makes a statement and the people usually lay low for a while. These two are all over the place causing more attention to themselves. IMHO they can behave so much better than this.
 
Ok, Jon and Kate experts. When was the vow renewal filmed? If they've been living apart for 2 years, and the vow renewal was just last year, then that is just plain wrong! And to keep harping about "mommy and daddy will be together forever"! Ugh!

TMZ said that the checkmark does not mean that they have been apart for 2 years.
 
Believe it or not, there was one good thing that resulted in all this mess to me - I can totally understand why Mady is the way she is. Where before I thought she sometimes acted like a spoiled brat, I now think she was the reflection of what was really going on in the house off-camera (all the tension, etc.) I think she is honest in the way kids are, and had no other coping skills to harness her emotions. She might have just spouted off as a release of all kinds of other behind the scenes things, maybe.

Poor kids :guilty:. In one interview I read Kate said that "the show must go on". Uh, no, actually it doesn't have to, or if the adults want it to, let them carry it on without the kids please. :cutie:
 

The older kids didn't finish their school year, because they were taken to NC (I think) for a vacation with paparazzi following them everywhere. .

I thought it was the youngest ones that didn't finish nursery school, or whatever they call where they go? The two older ones came back and stayed with Jon because they had school.
 
I thought it was the youngest ones that didn't finish nursery school, or whatever they call where they go? The two older ones came back and stayed with Jon because they had school.

A lot of preschools finish up around Memorial Day. The twins were shown in their school uniforms in PA with Jon while the rest were still in NC. It could be that none of them missed out on the end of the school year.
 
A lot of preschools finish up around Memorial Day. The twins were shown in their school uniforms in PA with Jon while the rest were still in NC. It could be that none of them missed out on the end of the school year.

The article I read stated the kids missed school to go to NC. I didn't check their school schedules though, so can't be absolutely sure.
 
There are two grounds for a no fault divorce in Pennsylvania -- the first is waiting 90 days after the papers have been served. Then, if both Jon and Kate agree the marriage is "irretrievably broken" ... the divorce can proceed.
If Jon agrees the marriage is over....sign here, wait 90 days & BAM you're officially divorced......regardless of what date you actually separated. It could've been yesterday for all the courts care!

Does anyone think that he would actually argue the marriage is not broken? He's announced on TV that it's over. :confused3
 
I used to be team Jon and always thought Kate was the witch....until I started to watch the shows over. I've posted it several times, that he gave as good as he got, just sometimes quieter or sneakier. I really noticed it the past few days, on the old shows, even the first season. She just lets it roll off of her..she has other children to tend to.
I had noticed that too. I think her comments were maybe more noticeable because many of them were made in the interview section, while she was on the couch next to him. A lot of his comments either came as voiceovers while the film showed something they had done or I saw comments he made when they were all in a group.
They actually reminded me of a couple I know - or I should say, I know the wife, the husband is gone. People thought the wife was a real nasty control freak, but I was there a number of times when she was trying really hard to get his opinion on something. His comment was almost always "I don't really care" or "do what you want." But, he usually did care and he would quietly and sneakily find a way to sabotage what she had wanted. He did a lot of 'misunderstanding' or 'not hearing', so she could never really confront him on it.
His stuff was really passive aggressive, so people looked at him as the poor 'victim' of the 'control freak'. Then, one day, he announced that he was tired of being a victim and was moving in with a woman he met on the internet!!
He even said some of the things John said "I'm young. I need to get on with my life."
The wife in my situation is a very strong personality and is somewhat of a control freak, but she was not totally at fault and I don't think Kate is either.
The husband was doing things that were just as harmful to the relationship - the only thing was his things were less out in the open.
A lot of preschools finish up around Memorial Day. The twins were shown in their school uniforms in PA with Jon while the rest were still in NC. It could be that none of them missed out on the end of the school year.
That was what I thought too.

One thing about continuing with the show - on one of the behind the scenes shows, it was mentioned how much time the film crew really spends at the house. I don't remember just what it was, but it was much less time than it would seem from watching the show. Also, in the behind the scenes show, you could see that the kids had become very comfortable and friendly with the crew. So, when they do stop filming, those kids are going to say goodbye to a group of people they have come to know. (Not that I am saying I think a reality show with kids is a good thing - just that this will be another change for the kids).

The part that upsets me is all the people coming out of the woodwork to make some money - the more negative the story, the better. The paparazzi chasing the parents around, the people who say Kate hit the kids.
 
The twins may have missed a few days that went into the weekend or something. I don't think they missed a regular week though.
 
Everyone keeps stating how worried they are about the kids and how their lives are ruined, etc. Am I the only one who thinks they will be just fine for the most part? The kids have each other and even though I am sure they know something is going on with their parents, they still appear to be very happy and well adjusted. I think as long as both parents remain a part of their lives, they will continue to be well adjusted

I think they will be fine, but I think it will take effort on everyone's part. There is a possibility that some day their parents won't be so famous anymore, and and they'll be that family whose parents broke up on national TV. Not to mention all the horrendous things posted on the internet about those sweet children. When they google themselves? ugh.

They were so cute when they were playing house last night.

Even if this is the last season, I hope TLC does a yearly update special on them..
agreed.


I just heard that last night's ratings were HUGE. Not sure what the exact numbers were. But I heard the highest ratings ever in the 18-49 demo.

the ratings were the highest for the series, ever.
 
That can't be right....unless Jon really was sleeping in the basement (not Leah) all that time!

that rumor was rampant on the blogs... I often wondered if it was one of those things that someone said enough times that it became fact. I wonder if it really was true.
 
I don't get all the outrage over the televised announcement of the divorce. There was so much criticism when people were calling them a farce pretending to be happy and together on the show. Now they come public with their decision and they get criticized. What were they supposed to do? Continue to pretend? They just can't win!

they could have released a statement through their PR firm or TLC. That's what most famous people do. They don't hype it for days and days to maximize television ratings.
 
they could have released a statement through their PR firm or TLC. That's what most famous people do. They don't hype it for days and days to maximize television ratings.

Yes they could have. But maybe by doing it this way, people will feel satisfied they know firsthand and will give J&K the space they and the kids need. I wouldn't have chosen to announce it on TV but perhaps TLC had it worked in their contract that if something changes in their marital status, it has to be addressed on the show? That sounds like a stretch I know but I just hate to think J&K would do it purely for ratings. Maybe I'm being naive...:goodvibes
 
The article I read stated the kids missed school to go to NC. I didn't check their school schedules though, so can't be absolutely sure.

they might have missed a day or two, but at some point Mady and Cara did go back to PA for school.
 
Yes they could have. But maybe by doing it this way, people will feel satisfied they know firsthand and will give J&K the space they and the kids need. I wouldn't have chosen to announce it on TV but perhaps TLC had it worked in their contract that if something changes in their marital status, it has to be addressed on the show? That sounds like a stretch I know but I just hate to think J&K would do it purely for ratings. Maybe I'm being naive...:goodvibes

I'm tired of giving Jon and Kate the benefit of the doubt. Jon Gosselin stood in his front yard on Father's Day telling people to watch the show. And he appeared to enjoy doing so. Higher ratings = more money. The show must go on.
 
I'm tired of giving Jon and Kate the benefit of the doubt. Jon Gosselin stood in his front yard on Father's Day telling people to watch the show. And he appeared to enjoy doing so. Higher ratings = more money. The show must go on.

I have no idea why Jon did that. I don't know what precipitated it. There is so much I don't know..everything is part of something, but we don't get to see the whole. I have no idea why he started signing and handing out pictures. I wish I could ask him. Was he furious at something TLC told him and he was getting even by going to the paparazzi? Had he learned Kate was beating him to the punch and filing? Had he invited friends to the house and TLC said no, not today? Had Kate just called him and told him he was an idiot? No idea.

Unless they start doing like Big Brother (God forbid!!) and have the camera's on them 24/7, I'll continue to give them both the benefit of the doubt. I wish I could see what happened just before something they show, when it's obviously been cut, or hear what they said. I just wonder how different this show would have been. Oh, I think they still would have separated, but I think we would have seen more of the real Jon and Kate earlier, if it be good or bad.
 
I'm tired of giving Jon and Kate the benefit of the doubt. Jon Gosselin stood in his front yard on Father's Day telling people to watch the show. And he appeared to enjoy doing so. Higher ratings = more money. The show must go on.

Yes but had they only released a statement people would be saying they should've addressed it on their show. I know they put themselves in this position, a position I wouldn't consider for my family, but I'm just saying I wonder if there are things regarding their contract that have influenced how this thing has played out. I don't know but I just can't seem to bring myself to believe they'd announce their divorce on TV just for ratings. I'm sure everyone will jump all over this post because I said that but that's how I feel. I think their marriage would've come to this point regardless of the show. Had they never done J&K+8, there would have been other stresses mostly financial I'd guess, that would have brought to light their problems. As far as Kate's comment that 'the show must go on', that was a question not a statement she made. For the record, last night Jon said thank God we have the show so we can tell people what we want because people say anything they want about us.
 
As far as Kate's comment that 'the show must go on', that was a question not a statement she made.

I didn't see the show, I didn't realize Kate did or didn't say that ... I was only making a point that Jon & Kate will continue filming the series.
 
Yes but had they only released a statement people would be saying they should've addressed it on their show. I know they put themselves in this position, a position I wouldn't consider for my family, but I'm just saying I wonder if there are things regarding their contract that have influenced how this thing has played out. I don't know but I just can't seem to bring myself to believe they'd announce their divorce on TV just for ratings. I'm sure everyone will jump all over this post because I said that but that's how I feel. I think their marriage would've come to this point regardless of the show. Had they never done J&K+8, there would have been other stresses mostly financial I'd guess, that would have brought to light their problems. As far as Kate's comment that 'the show must go on', that was a question not a statement she made. For the record, last night Jon said thank God we have the show so we can tell people what we want because people say anything they want about us.

I agree. Of course it's going to seem strange to those of us that have never been in their shoes, but I think (and I'm sure they also knew) that no matter how they handled it, they'd be criticized, so I think they did what they thought was best. -And it's not like they were mean about it, or were mean towards eachother about it (for those that were mad about it because the kids could go back and see it as they got older.) I thought they were very careful to not place blame on one another (well Jon had a slip here or there, but...) I don't know, if I ever get divorced, I'd be fine with my kids seeing that and seeing the reasoning. I'm a child of divorce, and I really don't see the problem with what the kids might see when they get older. Their parents are getting divorced, it's sad, but it happened, and I'm sure they basically already sat the kids down and told them basically the same thing, so I don't get the big deal of what about when their older and see that episode. I mean yes, it'll be sad for them, it was a sad part of their lives, but I thought their parents were very good about not speaking badly of one another ect.

I also thought Kate was more of asking a question, than making a statement when she said the show must go on.
 
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